Crashes, what can be done?

[RedheadDane]

I said first i want the stats. Without that we are fishing in the muddy water. Then for apparel manufacturers to respond. Due to pressure and uncomfort such stats would introduce. As general public currently isn't prepared to accept the ugly truth. That is the situation is much worse then believed.

I would much rather have stats about how many gets injured due to bad barriers! Coz that's an actual issue.

Or, to return the the Vader crash; how many riders crash over the guardrails on descends?

 

[CyclistAbi]

I would much rather have stats about how many gets injured due to bad barriers! Coz that's an actual issue.

Once we get the stats i am sure that all sort of more or less meaningful conclusions will start be made. The important thing for now is we all agree such stats would be a good thing.

 

[RedheadDane]

Once we get the stats i am sure that all sort of more or less meaningful conclusions will start be made. The important thing for now is we all agree such stats would be a good thing.

But why are you focusing on inventing some sort of apparel that could prevent collarbones from breaking?

 

[CyclistAbi]

But why are you focusing on inventing some sort of apparel that could prevent collarbones from breaking?

It's one of the most frequent cycling injures and due to plethora of options, compared to lets say knee area, easy resolvable. That is great attachment capability, maintaining full mobility, low weight ... It's easy to solve, that's why.

 

[Netserk]

But thanks for the reminder that those "over the guardrail" crashes are something that needs to be looked into.

By the riders. It's their responsibility to steer and descend safely.

 

[RedheadDane]

It's one of the most frequent cycling injures and due to plethora of options, compared to lets say knee area, easy resolvable. That is great attachment capability, maintaining full mobility, low weight ... It's easy to solve, that's why.

You keep saying that? How can you suggest putting anything protective on a joint that's frequently being moved, and claim that you can maintain full mobility?

 

[Ilmaestro99]

@RedheadDane is right. It's fat more important to prevent riders doing stupid courses where they risk their lives , than to worry about some sort of collarbone armour

 

[RedheadDane]

@RedheadDane is right. It's fat more important to prevent riders doing stupid courses where they risk their lives , than to worry about some sort of collarbone armour

I mean, sure... if you could make some sort of collarbone armour that wouldn't restrict movement in any way. But... you can't.

 

[gregrowlerson]

I mean, sure... if you could make some sort of collarbone armour that wouldn't restrict movement in any way. But... you can't.

Maybe a poor descender like Porte could wear some sort of shoulder pads (not as heavy and protective as grid iron players wear though) on a multi mountain stage, then remove them at the start of the mountain top finish (like when they used to remove their helmet)? Not sure how realistic this is in reality, but just a suggestion. Riders put on and take off rain jackets for example.

 

[RedheadDane]

Maybe a poor descender like Porte could wear some sort of shoulder pads (not as heavy and protective as grid iron players wear though) on a multi mountain stage, then remove them at the start of the mountain top finish (like when they used to remove their helmet)? Not sure how realistic this is in reality, but just a suggestion. Riders put on and take off rain jackets for example.

But wouldn't something restricting his movement just make him more likely to crash?

 

[gregrowlerson]

But wouldn't something restricting his movement just make him more likely to crash?

Maybe, maybe not.

He might become steadier on his bike with greater confidence from having more protection (if he falls).

 

[RedheadDane]

Maybe, maybe not.

He might become steadier on his bike with greater confidence from having more protection (if he falls).

I just think it's better to focus on prevent (major) crashes, than preventing a basic injury.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

It's one of the most frequent cycling injures and due to plethora of options, compared to lets say knee area, easy resolvable. That is great attachment capability, maintaining full mobility, low weight ... It's easy to solve, that's why.

If there are a plethora of options and it's so easy to solve, what are some of these options? Don't just say "it's up to the apparel manufacturers to find a solution" like you did before. You've not just said there are a solution but that there are a plethora of options to solve this problem, so let's hear 'em.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Nothing since the news that he was stable.
But thanks for the reminder that those "over the guardrail" crashes are something that needs to be looked into. Guardrails just aren't designed to prevent cyclists from going over them.

I mean, if they crashed into higher guardrails that would prevent them from getting over the impact would be even more devastating and the results could be even worse. Having higher guardrails on every road used in a cycling race and putting padding on every single one is just not realistic.

 

[RedheadDane]

I mean, if they crashed into higher guardrails that would prevent them from getting over the impact would be even more devastating and the results could be even worse. Having higher guardrails on every road used in a cycling race and putting padding on every single one is just not realistic.

Maybe some sort of net, like the "Dane Catchers" they have at ski resorts. (I think it might only be on Norway and Sweden they call them "Dane Catchers".)
Or just signals.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Maybe some sort of net, like the "Dane Catchers" they have at ski resorts. (I think it might only be on Norway and Sweden they call them "Dane Catchers".)
Or just signals.

Wait, they actually call those safety nets them "Dane Catchers"?

 

[RedheadDane]

Wait, they actually call those safety nets them "Dane Catchers"?

Yeah.... and the easiest hill is generally the "Dane Hill"...

But they can be used to catch people of other nationalities!

 

[Mayomaniac]

Yeah.... and the easiest hill is generally the "Dane Hill"...

But they can be used to catch people of other nationalities!

I guess jokes at the expense of flatlanders aren't just a thing here in the Alpes.
That said, Sweden isn't exactly filled with proper mountains either, so it's a case of the pot calling the kettle back...

 

[CyclistAbi]

If there are a plethora of options and it's so easy to solve, what are some of these options? Don't just say "it's up to the apparel manufacturers to find a solution" like you did before. You've not just said there are a solution but that there are a plethora of options to solve this problem, so let's hear 'em.

Being an apparel manufacturer you would therefore do the knee or elbow first? An area where you have mostly human skin. In contrary to a collarbone. An area where you already have your apparel available for an upgrade?

This is what plethora of options was referring to. Plethora of options on how to solve the problems of introducing (upgrade) apparel. In a way that it doesn't decrease mobility is lightweight and protects collarbone against a direct blow. And most importantly to detect less (severe) injuries in statistics after.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Being an apparel manufacturer you would therefore do the knee or elbow first? An area where you have mostly human skin. In contrary to a collarbone. An area where you already have your apparel available for an upgrade?

This is what plethora of options was referring to. Plethora of options on how to solve the problems of introducing (upgrade) apparel. In a way that it doesn't decrease mobility is lightweight and protects collarbone against a direct blow. And most importantly to detect less (severe) injuries in statistics after.

So you don't have any suggestions then, let alone a "plethora". Glad we've cleared that up.

 

[CyclistAbi]

You keep saying that? How can you suggest putting anything protective on a joint that's frequently being moved, and claim that you can maintain full mobility?

Because that is already the case as we speak? I don't see much skin in this area and cyclist aren't complaining they are less mobile because of it. Apparel is already there. It's just that it currently does a rather poor job in regards to protecting collarbone against direct blow.

 

[CyclistAbi]

So you don't have any suggestions then, let alone a "plethora". Glad we've cleared that up.

Or i don't know. Maybe to first acknowledge what was really said?

 

[RedheadDane]

Because that is already the case as we speak? I don't see much skin in this area and cyclist aren't complaining they are less mobile because of it. Apparel is already there. It's just that it currently does a rather poor job in regards to protecting collarbone against direct blow.

A cycling jersey doesn't restrict movement. It's literally lycra. And it's doing exactly what it's supposed to do; be lightweight, breathable, and - most importantly - skintight.

 

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Or i don't know. Maybe to first acknowledge what was really said?

You don’t have any suggestions to fix it, LS and Redhead Dane are correct.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Or i don't know. Maybe to first acknowledge what was really said?

I don't know how to solve the political situation in the Middle East, but there are a plethora of options.