Critérium du Dauphiné 2012 stage 4, 53.5km, Villié-Morgon-Bourg-en-Bresse, ITT

[maltiv]

Tony Martin will win, no doubt there. Wiggins 2nd. Huge gap back to 3rd, which can be pretty much anyone. Probably 4 sky riders in the top 10...

EBH certainly won't continue his streak of 3rd places in the long Dauphine ITT as he hasn't trained on his TT bike at all this year.

 

[Winterfold]

Wiggins is a better TT rider and does better when its earlier in the race.
Evans does better when its later in a race.

[citation needed]

Here's one, if a bit old http://www.letour.fr/2009/TDF/LIVE/us/1800/classement/index.html

2010 Cuddles crashed out
2011 Wiggo crashed out

What's the basis for your statement? Read it on an Interwebz forum? Must be true then...

 

[Winterfold]

Bavarianrider - It's naughty to use old pointy helmet pix

http://img.skysports.com/11/05/640/bayern-st4-bradley-wiggins-time-trial_2602728.jpg

http://cyclingweekly.media.ipcdigital.co.uk/11141|000006ff7|5aea_orh270w270_pn2012st1-wiggins.jpg

You can draw a straight line thru wiggos hips and shoulders - Martin creates so much power he can get away with a less good position (that doesn't mean it's in anyway 'bad'). Or could - remind me how many time he has beaten Wiggo this year again?

 

[maxmartin]

at least 120 seconds for Nibali.

Wiggins and Tony to fight it out.

Cadel 55sec
Denis 75sec
Nibali 100sec

 

[hatcher]

[citation needed]

Here's one, if a bit old http://www.letour.fr/2009/TDF/LIVE/us/1800/classement/index.html

2010 Cuddles crashed out
2011 Wiggo crashed out

What's the basis for your statement? Read it on an Interwebz forum? Must be true then...

It seems to have become accepted fact that Wiggins struggles in week 3. From looking back at his GT TT results I'm not sure where the idea came from.

His recent 3rd week TTs:

2010 Tour, 52k: 9th. The one with the ridiculous headwind. Wiggins was the only starter in the last 50 to do anything. Beat Contador by 2 minutes.

2009 Tour, 40.5k, 6th. Beat Evans by 30 seconds.

Plus two shorter Giro ones:
2010 15k: 7th
2009 15.5k 2nd.

 

[maltiv]

So you wanna say that Wiggins position is better then martins

Yeah right

Good job finding the one picture you could find of Wiggo where he looked the least aerodynamic. Not to mention that the picture is at least 2 years old. He has clearly found a new position since then.

 

[Mellow Velo]

The only "position" Der Panzerwagen will never get right, is in the GC.

 

[jens_attacks]

1.wiggins
2.tony martin +30 s
3.rogers + 1:10
4.froome +1:20
5.porte +1:50
6.kash +2:00
7.evans+2:10
.......................
154.andy schleck +5:50


too bad i'm gonna miss all the action.

 

[webvan]

Dang, seeing the thread I thought it was tomorrow's stage, oh well, one more day to go.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

1.wiggins
2.tony martin +30 s
3.rogers + 1:10
4.froome +1:20
5.porte +1:50
6.kash +2:00
7.evans+2:10
.......................
154.andy schleck +5:50


too bad i'm gonna miss all the action.

I am really excited to see what he can do this Dauphine

 

[therhodeo]

Chavanel to do well I think. Probably willing to go deeper than some of the tour favorites. Won't likely come out on top though.

 

[Parrulo]

since we are talking about positions here:

posted by me on the nibali discussion thread:

vuelta itt 2010:

TA itt 2012:

so can any of you guys spot any significant changes in position? to be honestly his back seems to be flatter but other then that his itt position doesn't seem to have changed much

 

[theyoungest]

since we are talking about positions here:

posted by me on the nibali discussion thread:

Bear in mind that if they lift the saddle or the bars just a little bit, like a few millimeters, that already makes a huge difference to the rider, but we can't see it.

 

[El Pistolero]

It seems to have become accepted fact that Wiggins struggles in week 3. From looking back at his GT TT results I'm not sure where the idea came from.

His recent 3rd week TTs:

2010 Tour, 52k: 9th. The one with the ridiculous headwind. Wiggins was the only starter in the last 50 to do anything. Beat Contador by 2 minutes.

2009 Tour, 40.5k, 6th. Beat Evans by 30 seconds.

Plus two shorter Giro ones:
2010 15k: 7th
2009 15.5k 2nd.

Lol, Menchov. And by the way, Contador was actually racing in that Tour, unlike Wiggins

And Evans was a non-factor in GC in 2009.

What did Wiggins do exactly in his two Giro's(GC wise)? Because obviously it doesn't count when he has been resting up and saving his energy for the final time trial(and still failing horribly).

 

[hatcher]

Lol, Menchov. And by the way, Contador was actually racing in that Tour, unlike Wiggins

And Evans was a non-factor in GC in 2009.

Yes, Menchov also rode well. Are you going to suggest Wiggins didn't?

Is there a point to your Evans comment? I know you're not suggesting Evans did poorly because he wasn't contending for GC, while also suggesting Wiggins did well because he wasn't contending for GC.

I refuse to believe you could contradict yourself so badly in such a short post.

 

[El Pistolero]

The point is that it's not that great to take 30 seconds on someone who obviously had no form.

YOU said Wiggo was the only rider from the top 50 to do well in the 2010 time trial. Learn to read. Only Wiggo's 2009 Tour time trial(which was worse than expected) and his 2011 Vuelta time trial matter in this case.

As for judging someone's time trial position just by looking at a picture. Boy, you guys sure are experts

Everything to make Wiggo look good huh?

 

[hatcher]

The point is that it's not that great to take 30 seconds on someone who obviously had no form.

Yet you also say it's not great for Wiggins to take 2 minutes out of Contador while having no form.

It's make your mind up time.

 

[will10]

Yet you also say it's not great for Wiggins to take 2 minutes out of Contador while having no form.

It's make your mind up time.

I agree with Pisti - you can't look at anything more than Vuelta 11 and Tour 09 TTs for Wiggins in terms of 3rd week TTing ability.. Comparisons from Tour 10 and Giro 10 TTs you mention are utterly meaningless because Wiggo had given up on GC and was saving energy for the TT, there's no point in comparing his result with those who were going for GC.

Wiggins finished his TT at Tour 10 that day before Contador even started his, and all the time the headwind was getting stronger, yet you seem compelled to tell us he took 2 minutes out of Alberto. So did fricking Maarten Tjallingii, because he started even earlier than Bradley.

 

[El Pistolero]

Yet you also say it's not great for Wiggins to take 2 minutes out of Contador while having no form.

It's make your mind up time.

Erm no?

Contador had been exhausting him self for 3 weeks while Wiggins could save up some precious energy to focus on the final time trial. Contador did a pretty poor time trial there. Wigans did a good time trial, but you can't compare him with Contador for obvious reasons. You also can't use that time trial as an example to prove he isn't weaker in the third week of a GT.

Michael Rogers took a lot of time out of Cancellara at the Bayern Rundfahrt. Very impressive of him... Let's totally ignore the context shall we.

 

[Froome19]

I dont think people understand that it is basically impossible to compare because in 2009 Wiggins was still more of a track racer who had not had a proper upbriinging on racing GTs, so he obviously wasnt prepared exactly for racing 3 weeks and of course he may have done well yet that is still a mute point.
The others from 2010 similar logic applies to, but as Elp says they are unfair in comparisoms.
People are going to be surprised by Wiggin's 3rd week capabilities I have the feeling.

 

[Morbius]

For the last year and a bit, Wiggins has consistently done better than the concensus on this forum throught possible. Most people here didn't even think he could hang on to the lead in the Dauphine last year when there were only two stages to go.
So as Froome19 says, improving his performance in a 3rd week ITT should not be a surprise

 

[hatcher]

I agree with Pisti - you can't look at anything more than Vuelta 11 and Tour 09 TTs for Wiggins in terms of 3rd week TTing ability.. Comparisons from Tour 10 and Giro 10 TTs you mention are utterly meaningless because Wiggo had given up on GC and was saving energy for the TT, there's no point in comparing his result with those who were going for GC.

Wiggins finished his TT at Tour 10 that day before Contador even started his, and all the time the headwind was getting stronger, yet you seem compelled to tell us he took 2 minutes out of Alberto. So did fricking Maarten Tjallingii, because he started even earlier than Bradley.

What exactly are you agreeing with?

 

[hatcher]

The point is that it's not that great to take 30 seconds on someone who obviously had no form.

YOU said Wiggo was the only rider from the top 50 to do well in the 2010 time trial. Learn to read. Only Wiggo's 2009 Tour time trial(which was worse than expected) and his 2011 Vuelta time trial matter in this case.

As for judging someone's time trial position just by looking at a picture. Boy, you guys sure are experts

Everything to make Wiggo look good huh?

Do you have a link to this 3rd week Vuelta 2011 TT that you and will10 feel is important?

Erm no?

Contador had been exhausting him self for 3 weeks while Wiggins could save up some precious energy to focus on the final time trial. Contador did a pretty poor time trial there. Wigans did a good time trial, but you can't compare him with Contador for obvious reasons. You also can't use that time trial as an example to prove he isn't weaker in the third week of a GT.

Michael Rogers took a lot of time out of Cancellara at the Bayern Rundfahrt. Very impressive of him... Let's totally ignore the context shall we.

I could not care less about your precious Contador. The 2010 TT was a good performance, so it goes against the suggestion that he's a weak 3rd week TTer, correct?

The question posed wasn't is he a good 3rd week TTer, it was is he a poor one. And there is absolutely nothing to suggest he is a poor one.

 

[will10]

What exactly are you agreeing with?

This:

Only Wiggo's 2009 Tour time trial(which was worse than expected) and his 2011 Vuelta time trial matter in this case.

2009 Tour TT Wiggo didn't go as well as was expected.
2011 Vuelta TT was stage 11/12? and was probably the worse TT Wiggo rode all season - look at the gap to Tony M. that day compared with how close the two had been throughout the season.

His 2010 TT results with respect to strong TT performance when in contention for GC are irrelevant.

 

[Parrulo]

Do you have a link to this 3rd week Vuelta 2011 TT that you and will10 feel is important?




I could not care less about your precious Contador. The 2010 TT was a good performance, so it goes against the suggestion that he's a weak 3rd week TTer, correct?

The question posed wasn't is he a good 3rd week TTer, it was is he a poor one. And there is absolutely nothing to suggest he is a poor one.

since wiggins was almost finishing with the autobus on the last mountain stage of the tour, that itt really isn't a sign of good recuperation, if he had been giving his best on the last mountain stages then it would be.

he also road with better wind condition then the last guys and for example still only put 20 seconds on menchov.