Critérium du Dauphiné 2012 stage 4, 53.5km, Villié-Morgon-Bourg-en-Bresse, ITT

[johnnycash]

At least cadel has shown that he can become strong over 3 weeks, strong enough to win a GT. Unlike wiggins.


Oh yeah Im sure liquigas, RSNT, BMC, katusha have been lazing around and not bothering about le tour.
Sky have been the only ones working hard

Actually I think you're right (sarcasm aside) I think thats exactly what BMC and RSNT have been doing, in some individual's cases.

 

[Morbius]

What are the chances that Froome proves to be the strongest Sky rider in the Tour after doing most of the donkey work ?

That is very likely, so long as Wiggins breaks a collar bone tomorrow and rides the tour anyway

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Enough talk about filthy lucre: Only losers gamble.

Gosh, not another one.

It's an avatar bet - there is no money involved.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

please i might be a bit biased.
But your views are way more biased and absolutely blind.
Have you ever seen me say this years tour will be really easy for evans.
Please wake up to reality. Wiggins is not contador.

read
my
f'ing
post

if.wiggins.survives.the.mountains

if.wiggins

if

 

[dlwssonic]

read
my
f'ing
post

if.wiggins.survives.the.mountains

if.wiggins

if

Not just this post.
there were many times you made stupid comments about wiggins.
Like saying the 'who will win the tour' poll is wrong
and it should be 'will wiggins win the tour'

 

[Trunnions]

What a shocking example is being set by these Singaporean posters.

I'm off.

Tara!

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Not just this post.
there were many times you made stupid comments about wiggins.
Like saying the 'who will win the tour' poll is wrong
and it should be 'will wiggins win the tour'

lol

Many times? I exactly made one other comment about Wiggins in that thread. I don't even like Wiggins. My point in that post, had you bothered to use your brain, was not that Wiggins was going to win. It was a response, and if anything, i was making the point that the field was wide open and i used that Wiggins remark as an inverted hyperbole to show irony, that maybe we should only take one rider into account.

Funny how you are talking about stupid comments, but in fact it is you that don't understand the comment to begin with.

This discussion is over.

 

[theyoungest]

So who are these other guys that are definitely going to be in front of him with two long ITT's on the menu? Gesink? Nibali? You think Martin will survive the mountains? Is Schleck going to lose less time than JvdB in the ITTs? Were Menchov and Vino just pretending? JvdB was merely half a minute behind Evans today, the so called TDF favorite. He was 3rd of GC guys unless we have to start counting Kelderman as one as well. But a top 5 is the best he could hope for? Tell that to De Gendt, who was supposed to be happy to get a top 20 spot. This line of thinking is what creates boring races. People defending their 8th place in the GC, instead of attacking and going for podium.

I think it's very easy really. If Wiggins survives the mountains, it's all over for everybody including Evans. Then the other GC contenders are riding for a podium spot, and going by todays ITT, JvdB has just as much chance as Nibali, Menchov, Evans, Gesink... That would mean he could just as well come in 3rd, or come in 9th. If Wiggins cracks, it's wide open for Evans, Gesink, Nibali, JvdB etc... who knows, maybe even the Schlecks aren't to be completely discarded.

Not to mention that JvdB said he hadn't trained as hard as last year, and likely has a nice margin for improvement yet.

VDB lost 2'12" to Wiggo today. Last year he lost just 10 seconds more in the Dauphine TT. Just sayin'.

His Tour prospects haven't improved dramatically or anything. Normally you'd expect Evans and certainly Menchov to make the leap in form that puts them firmly ahead of VDB in the TT department. The Schlecks will probably be around his level. Nibali... maybe, maybe not. Gesink... no idea.

 

[Arnout]

You seriously believe that he hasn't improved in 3 years? Jesus christ.

You ARE Flavio Briatore I already suspected so with your username. Happy to meet you.

So did he improve in 2010? 2011? 2012? He's not been a better climber than in the 2009 tour yet.

 

[DominicDecoco]

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

I very rarely agree with dlwssonic, but he is right that Evans has nothing to be worried about (everything else he is on his own). Mental blow? Never been a big fan, but the guy has a lot of heart, and I highly doubt he will lose much sleep over this. Again, this is not comparable to a TT after 3 weeks.

Also props to VDB very good time.

Day in yellow > 24th on gc

+ coming off a good giro.

Some selective memories coming on I suppose

Man if wiggins fails at the tour - which I suspect will happen, but do not discount his great chance - the meltdown here will be hilarious.

I was just using it show point that Evans didnt have great Tour too that year. He sucked as much as Wiggins. I dont think 25 in Tour is so great for Evans

But dwlsonnic is pointing out Wiggo sucked a lot in 2010. He did. But so did Evans. No matter if he had yellow for one 'amazing' day

hmmm winning fleche, 5th at giro (+ 2 jerseys), 4th at lbl, 3rd at TA and a yellow jersey. Pathetic season... Oh wait.

I'm not even a evans fan, but this discounting him is stupid.

This will be a good year for the brits..bradley and i think they will win the euros.

that would be horrible. I dont think so tho, their team lacks technique and class.

 

[dlwssonic]

What a shocking example is being set by these Singaporean posters.

I'm off.

Tara!

Yeah you Brit Posters are the absolute best!!

 

[Ferminal]

What are the chances that Froome proves to be the strongest Sky rider in the Tour after doing most of the donkey work ?

Doubtful, Froome will be good, enough for top5 on his own. Wiggins looks like he's going to be a fair way ahead though.

 

[Arnout]

What a shocking example is being set by these Singaporean posters.

I'm off.

Tara!

Yeah you Brit Posters are the absolute best!!

Discussion level visibly improving.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

that would be horrible. I dont think so tho, their team lacks technique and class.

Alan Shearer's logic is the press are not hyping them so they will win (or something along those words).

 

[Swifty's Cakes]

This will be a good year for the brits..bradley and i think they will win the euros.

You do know Roy Hodgson is England manager don't you? They'll do well to get out of the group.

 

[dlwssonic]

I very rarely agree with dlwssonic, but he is right that Evans has nothing to be worried about (everything else he is on his own). Mental blow? Never been a big fan, but the guy has a lot of heart, and I highly doubt he will lose much sleep over this. Again, this is not comparable to a TT after 3 weeks.

Man if wiggins fails at the tour - which I suspect will happen, but do not discount his great chance - the meltdown here will be hilarious.

hmmm winning fleche, 5th at giro (+ 2 jerseys), 4th at lbl, 3rd at TA and a yellow jersey. Pathetic season... Oh wait.

I'm not even a evans fan, but this discounting him is stupid.

Thank you Good to see that you agree with me.
Thats what I have been trying to point out.
Yet a few brits are acting as if wiggins is the outright favourite for the tour and evans is totally out of it thanks to one small TT in the dauphine.

 

[karlboss]

This TT means very little to me. There wasn't a single GC rider who surprised with their performance here positively or negatively. My thoughts onthe tour remain unchanged, Wiggins is in great form, has maybe peaked too early and a 3rd week collapse wouldn't surpries me at all. Evans seems a little off, but getting very close to where he wants to be, I'd love to have seen some footage of Menchov and Nibali(i came home late), did they look to be taking it easy or not? I'm impressed Sanchez is still in the race, and Andy is, well..Andy.
For all those who think Wiggins and Sky will now roll onto tour glory I give you Janez Brajkovic who beat one Alberto Contador by 1:46 over a 49km TT at the Dauphine and went on to win the Dauphine. He finished 42nd in the tour de france while Contador won it, or for those with longer memories Iban Mayo, Leipheimer, and Valverde. Some riders ride to win here other ride to find form and just so happen to win like Armstrong in 02, 03, or lose 99, 00, 04, 05, but the prize is in July.

Cadel was obviously holding back, while Wiggins went all out or at least very close. Who knows the outcome if they both went all out, I suspect still Wiggins but by a very small margin less than 30 seconds certainly.

Congratulations to Wiggins, but I think this performance will hurt more than help him. Peaking too early, pushing too hard too early, not so much as now every other contender has a measuring stick. They know Wiggins was close to his limit and they saw what he can do, as much as Porte, Siustou, Froome, Rogers will be strong domestiques in the mountains, they will pale next to collusion by the other favourites.

 

[Parrulo]

could you guys chill a little bit? or will have to start distributing some warnings?

 

[theyoungest]

You do know Roy Hodgson is England manager don't you? They'll do well to get out of the group.

Actually the Dutch Eurosport cycling commentators were discussing England's chances today. Apparently you have a reserve goalkeeper from the second division? What an amazing team

 

[Arnout]

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Thanks for taking the time, appreciated

 

[hektoren]

Really I just think wiggins is overrated for GTs.
Thats just my opinion.
Im willing to take an avatar bet that wiggins won't win the tour.

Well he wasn't particularly rotten in last year's Vuelta though, was he? What is pretty certain is that he has an edge against Evans in ITT's, he'll probably climb better than most and equal Evans in the mountains AND he's got great guys riding for him. Froome and EBH will do monster pulls for him, and I really can't see BMC having anywhere near that versatility and power in this year's edition of the Tour.
The Schlecklets? Ha-bloody-ha. Serious personality issues will forever keep them well and truly behind the best. I'm not even sure Andy will start this year.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

VDB lost 2'12" to Wiggo today. Last year he lost just 10 seconds more in the Dauphine TT. Just sayin'.

His Tour prospects haven't improved dramatically or anything. Normally you'd expect Evans and certainly Menchov to make the leap in form that puts them firmly ahead of VDB in the TT department. The Schlecks will probably be around his level. Nibali... maybe, maybe not. Gesink... no idea.

Just sayin'? lol

ugh.

Today he was THIRD of the GC guys. He may have lost nearly as much to Wiggins, but what did he do compared to the others? He improved dramatically compared to last year. He left guys like Brajkovic, Nibali, Menchov, Coppel, Westra, Grabsch, Van Garderen, Vino, EBH... behind him. Guys previously always better at ITT's. Evans took only half a minute. But you're saying his chances did not improve? lol...

And maybe Menchov can improve, but how much? he lost a minute to JvdB, Nibali lost even more. Do these guys climb better?

 

[Zam_Olyas]

You do know Roy Hodgson is England manager don't you? They'll do well to get out of the group.

Yes i know, i support liverpool . And i was poking fun at shearer's logic llol

 

[Swifty's Cakes]

Actually the Dutch Eurosport cycling commentators were discussing England's chances today. Apparently you have a reserve goalkeeper from the second division? What an amazing team

Not true. His team got promoted this year, and ridiculously the second division in England is actually the 4th level.
premiership
championship
1st division
2nd division