Critérium du Dauphiné 2017 (04/06 > 11/06/2017)

[deValtos]

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Froome is the the favourite for the Tour imo. His victory never looked in doubt in any of his tour wins, and he looked like the strongest rider in 2012. I'll take 5 years of the Tour over one week of the Dauphine as an indicator of his form.

the Skybots make him the favorite but if Porte keeps his form they'll also benefit him by limiting and chasing down attacks

should be a pretty boring 3 weeks watching the Sky train kill stage after stage

If Porte takes time off Froome early then Froome can use his team and go crazy. Froome needed another decent climbing Dom today for that final climb after attacking all day, he will have that in the Tour.

what Froome has shown countless times is that without a dominant team controlling the race he is very beatable he also had much more team support this week then Porte

and if Porte takes time on Froome he'll just wheel suck the Sky train and follow Froome's late attacks , it's not like Sky does anything else at the tour

Sky usually ride like that because they have the strongest rider and it stops what happened to Porte today happening to Froome.

... however if Porte is outclimbing Froome at the tour don't expect Sky to be controlling everything. Froome does like to attack when he's not in the lead.

 

[Pricey_sky]

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what Froome has shown countless times is that without a dominant team controlling the race he is very beatable he also had much more team support this week then Porte

and if Porte takes time on Froome he'll just wheel suck the Sky train and follow Froome's late attacks , it's not like Sky does anything else at the tour

Yes I agree, if Sky do that then Porte could be ok, but Sky have never had to have a different approach in the Tour as it's worked for Froome.

If Froome finds himself on the back foot and needs time I think we will see a much more aggressive Sky with Froome being more attacking like today.

 

[greenedge]

For all that Porte had to ride on the front, I'm sure this stage's efforts won't hinder him in the TDF (it would more be a case of peaking already that does) as he'd have time to recuperate and hopefully that effort helps him reach an extra 1-2% needed. I think BMC made a mistake sending Hermans to the Giro, if he rode the TDF him and Caruso could have alternated taking care of Richie on the harder stages but instead he went to support TJVG. Roche needs to improve and hopefully Dennis and GVA can be useful for most of the stages.

 

[gunara]

Great race! For the first time in awhile I get really excited about TdF of not being an at most two-horse race.
Truly mazing aride by Porte. Yes, he's like Contador in 2014 CdD, only a bit better, but no, Fuglsang's win is waaay more impressive than Talansky's. He really deserves it despite winning it on time bonus.

 

[Broccolidwarf]

Froome will be a very different animal at the tour, when Sky has all the big guns backing him up..... we will see many mountain stages, with Sky having 5-6 riders left, when the peloton is 20 riders.

 

[LaFlorecita]

So happy Birdsong won. Amazing ride. Very strong performance by Porte as well, it was funny when he caught and dropped Froome

 

[lenric]

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Great race! For the first time in awhile I get really excited about TdF of not being an at most two-horse race.
Truly mazing aride by Porte. Yes, he's like Contador in 2014 CdD, only a bit better, but no, Fuglsang's win is waaay more impressive than Talansky's. He really deserves it despite winning it on time bonus.

I don't think he did. Without time bonus they'd have the same time. But I believe Birdsong would have won because of having achieved a stage victory whilst Porte hasn't.

 

[nilfen]

Does anyone know who will captain Bora-Hansgrohe? Majka or Emanuel Buchmann or shared? Who should they put their money on for GC?

 

[portugal11]

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Great race! For the first time in awhile I get really excited about TdF of not being an at most two-horse race.
Truly mazing aride by Porte. Yes, he's like Contador in 2014 CdD, only a bit better, but no, Fuglsang's win is waaay more impressive than Talansky's. He really deserves it despite winning it on time bonus.

I don't think he did. Without time bonus they'd have the same time. But I believe Birdsong would have won because of having achieved a stage victory whilst Porte hasn't.

Porte won 6 seconds meanwhile fuglsang won 20 seconds

 

[lenric]

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Does anyone know who will captain Bora-Hansgrohe? Majka or Emanuel Buchmann or shared? Who should they put their money on for GC?

Majka will, I think, along with Sagan.

 

[Googolplex]

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I don't think he did. Without time bonus they'd have the same time. But I believe Birdsong would have won because of having achieved a stage victory whilst Porte hasn't.

Since there was an ITT, it's decided by the hundredths of the second from it, I think.

EDIT: And yeah, they wouldn't have same time either.

 

[Eagle]

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Porte, who rode alone for roughly the last 40km, rode the final climb only 2-3 seconds slower than Fuglsang (who didn't put his nose in the wind until 7km to go) and faster than everyone else. Phenomenal ride.

Did you even watch the stage? Fuglsang attacked half way up the Colombiere.

 

[Broccolidwarf]

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Great race! For the first time in awhile I get really excited about TdF of not being an at most two-horse race.
Truly mazing aride by Porte. Yes, he's like Contador in 2014 CdD, only a bit better, but no, Fuglsang's win is waaay more impressive than Talansky's. He really deserves it despite winning it on time bonus.

I don't think he did. Without time bonus they'd have the same time. But I believe Birdsong would have won because of having achieved a stage victory whilst Porte hasn't.

Porte won 6 seconds meanwhile fuglsang won 20 seconds

- by winning stages

Has winning suddenly stopped mattering in cycling?

 

[yaco]

Porte rode a naive race - Form showed that Froome was never his main danger - Porte needed to counter attacks by Fuglsang and Aru and forget about Porte.

 

[lenric]

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Great race! For the first time in awhile I get really excited about TdF of not being an at most two-horse race.
Truly mazing aride by Porte. Yes, he's like Contador in 2014 CdD, only a bit better, but no, Fuglsang's win is waaay more impressive than Talansky's. He really deserves it despite winning it on time bonus.

I don't think he did. Without time bonus they'd have the same time. But I believe Birdsong would have won because of having achieved a stage victory whilst Porte hasn't.

Porte won 6 seconds meanwhile fuglsang won 20 seconds

Fugslang was 1:15 away from Portr at the beginning of today's stage. He finished 1:15 before Porte, ergo their time difference was only due to the bonus Birdsong won.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Porte rode a naive race - Form showed that Froome was never his main danger - Porte needed to counter attacks by Fuglsang and Aru and forget about Porte.

Made the same mistake as Contador in the Dauphiné 3 years ago - focused too much on Froome

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Great race! For the first time in awhile I get really excited about TdF of not being an at most two-horse race.
Truly mazing aride by Porte. Yes, he's like Contador in 2014 CdD, only a bit better, but no, Fuglsang's win is waaay more impressive than Talansky's. He really deserves it despite winning it on time bonus.

I don't think he did. Without time bonus they'd have the same time. But I believe Birdsong would have won because of having achieved a stage victory whilst Porte hasn't.

Porte won 6 seconds meanwhile fuglsang won 20 seconds

Fugslang was 1:15 away from Portr at the beginning of today's stage. He finished 1:15 before Porte, ergo their time difference was only due to the bonus Birdsong won.

Birdsong got 14 more bonus seconds throughout the race so Porte completed the course faster, so Birdie won it on time bonus.

 

[movingtarget]

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Porte rode a naive race - Form showed that Froome was never his main danger - Porte needed to counter attacks by Fuglsang and Aru and forget about Porte.

If Porte had chased every attack immediately he wouldn't have been able to come back on the final climb. One team mate in the valley and Porte wins the overall. Great ride by Fuglsang, Astana rode a smart race, gutsy ride by Porte but it's shaping up to be a very interesting Tour. Fuglsang is in the form of his career.

 

[lenric]

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Great race! For the first time in awhile I get really excited about TdF of not being an at most two-horse race.
Truly mazing aride by Porte. Yes, he's like Contador in 2014 CdD, only a bit better, but no, Fuglsang's win is waaay more impressive than Talansky's. He really deserves it despite winning it on time bonus.

I don't think he did. Without time bonus they'd have the same time. But I believe Birdsong would have won because of having achieved a stage victory whilst Porte hasn't.

Porte won 6 seconds meanwhile fuglsang won 20 seconds

Fugslang was 1:15 away from Portr at the beginning of today's stage. He finished 1:15 before Porte, ergo their time difference was only due to the bonus Birdsong won.

Birdsong got 14 more bonus seconds throughout the race so Porte completed the course faster, so Birdie won it on time bonus.

Ok, I was wrong then. Didn't know about that. Thanks for the correction.

 

[yaco]

Wel it will be a brutal race if Astana are confident of their two live chances in the GC with Aru and Fuglsang - Astana will make the race much tougher than the Sky Train - BMC will be strengthened with Caruso, Dennis and Van Avermaat joining the team for the TDF.

 

[Broccolidwarf]

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Great race! For the first time in awhile I get really excited about TdF of not being an at most two-horse race.
Truly mazing aride by Porte. Yes, he's like Contador in 2014 CdD, only a bit better, but no, Fuglsang's win is waaay more impressive than Talansky's. He really deserves it despite winning it on time bonus.

I don't think he did. Without time bonus they'd have the same time. But I believe Birdsong would have won because of having achieved a stage victory whilst Porte hasn't.

Porte won 6 seconds meanwhile fuglsang won 20 seconds

Fugslang was 1:15 away from Portr at the beginning of today's stage. He finished 1:15 before Porte, ergo their time difference was only due to the bonus Birdsong won.

Birdsong got 14 more bonus seconds throughout the race so Porte completed the course faster, so Birdie won it on time bonus.

By winning stages

Weird you seem to think winning doesn't matter - in a sport

 

[yaco]

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Porte rode a naive race - Form showed that Froome was never his main danger - Porte needed to counter attacks by Fuglsang and Aru and forget about Porte.

Made the same mistake as Contador in the Dauphiné 3 years ago - focused too much on Froome

Strange when it was obvious Aru and Fuglsang were clearly stronger than Froome - I doubt Froome can even make the podium in the TDF.

 

[lenric]

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Porte rode a naive race - Form showed that Froome was never his main danger - Porte needed to counter attacks by Fuglsang and Aru and forget about Porte.

Made the same mistake as Contador in the Dauphiné 3 years ago - focused too much on Froome

Strange when it was obvious Aru and Fuglsang were clearly stronger than Froome - I doubt Froome can even make the podium in the TDF.

 

[yaco]

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Porte rode a naive race - Form showed that Froome was never his main danger - Porte needed to counter attacks by Fuglsang and Aru and forget about Porte.

If Porte had chased every attack immediately he wouldn't have been able to come back on the final climb. One team mate in the valley and Porte wins the overall. Great ride by Fuglsang, Astana rode a smart race, gutsy ride by Porte but it's shaping up to be a very interesting Tour. Fuglsang is in the form of his career.

Porte didn't need to chase every attack - He only had to worry about Aru and Fuglsang.

 

[Inquitus]

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Porte rode a naive race - Form showed that Froome was never his main danger - Porte needed to counter attacks by Fuglsang and Aru and forget about Porte.

Made the same mistake as Contador in the Dauphiné 3 years ago - focused too much on Froome

Strange when it was obvious Aru and Fuglsang were clearly stronger than Froome - I doubt Froome can even make the podium in the TDF.

It's almost an entire month to our first uphill finish at the Tour, a lot of form can be gained in that time period. If Froome is serious about a Vuelta Tour double he might be trying to find form as late as possible so he can carry it into the Vuelta, I wouldn't read too much into the Dauphine aside from the fact that the Tour certainly looks a lot more open than in recent years.