Critérium du Dauphiné 2023, June 4 - 11

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Vingegaard looks ready for the Tour start

 

[Fantastico]

have you insight into O Connors numbers then

Of course he will get better ...he has before

Last year he was flying at the Dauphiné and then was super bad at the TdF.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Gaudu is just so bad here, he lost almost a minute on Alaphilippe.

Not good. I know some people are downplaying this (in France) with talk of "he'll be better next month", but I don't know. It seems like there's something wrong going on with his form since April.

Most people are making the mistake you gotta be ready for week 3. This years TDF is different. You need to be ready from day 1.

A lot of people are gonna make mistakes in their bets

 

[HelloDolly]

DSM always find and nurture the young talent

Who then promptly leave the next year

 

[Rob5091]

I await the tales of Pinot being requested to help out at the Tour, as Gaudu is now second behind young Lenny at the CdD. Démare is probably posting something on social media about now.

 

[ice&fire]

what has happened to Carapaz these days

Carapaz being out of the top 10 at 1-week races is the norm

 

[HelloDolly]

Last year he was flying at the Dauphiné and then was super bad at the TdF.

He was injured in more than one fall
He had to retire after trying to ride on fro several days

jasus have you not seen The Tour De France Unchaine even

Do you guys not watch anything !!!!

 

[Red Rick]

Most people are making the mistake you gotta be ready for week 3. This years TDF is different. You need to be ready from day 1.

A lot of people are gonna make mistakes in their bets

You're not gonna lose minutes in the first 2 days. But yes, the Pyrenees come early, but in general you can't be minutes off the pace on day 1 of the TdF. Any swings in form aren't gonna be by minutes on a unipuerto stage.

 

[Netserk]

Is that as in an object that moves air, as apposed to a supporter or follower?

Former. We have imported "fan" in the other sense, so then it'd be "fankrig".

 

[Tim Cahill]

Climb has been used pretty extensively over the years so will be really interested to see the time up that, conditions looked good and was hard paced.

 

[Red Rick]

Climb has been used extensively over the years so will be really interested to see the time up that, conditions looked good and was hard paced.

Croix de Fer is never the focal point of a stage though, and they typically don't do the Molard side either.

 

[HelloDolly]

O'Connor does not have the level for the hardest GT mountain stages which riders like Mas, Hindley , Carapaz etc do have.

I think he does , 4th in 2021
But TT is poor

Carapaz being out of the top 10 at 1-week races is the norm

I am not just talking about 1 week races....he looks like he can put in a half hearted attack on steep stages and then fades ...something is very different

 

[Fantastico]

He was injured in more than one fall
He had to retire after trying to ride on fro several days

jasus have you not seen The Tour De France Unchaine even

Do you guys not watch anything !!!!

I know that he crashed. But he also lost 1 minute in the opening time trial, whereas at the Dauphiné he had a strong ITT. So yeah, I watched the race and I don't think he was as strong as at the Dauphiné regardless of any crashes.

 

[Big Doopie]

Bunch of peoples overreacting to a warm up race.

Agreed.

It was so clear that:

1. Only Vingo was trying
2. They let him win
3. No other rider targeted this race. Only Vingo.
4. Everyone else had bad prep and/or an injury to recover from
5. Etc…

Oh, wait, what? Wrong rider?

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Croix de Fer is never the focal point of a stage though, and they typically don't do the Molard side either.

Yes, plus the numbers can‘t be compared to other climbs because of the altitude.

 

[Bonimenier]

Today but not necessarily 5th best over all

Hindley, O Connor , Gaudu and Mas will get better
Hindley is a slow starter and better as a GTs go on

These are the guys fighting fro 3rd in the Tour

I cant see anyone from INEOS on the podium

I wasn't talking about GTs. Specifically mentioned 1 week stage races. I don't think he's anywhere close to being the 5th best GT racer in the world.

 

[movingtarget]

Not bad rides by O'Connor and Hindley re the Tour. Yates was good, Vingegaard on another level, Gaudu has to improve a lot before the Tour. Haig was okay, Bernal still getting in shape. The Tour is looking more and more like a match race between the two favourites. Landa as unpredictable as ever. Meintjes ghosting his way to another top 10.

 

[Rob5091]

Chapeau Vingegaard & Jumbo who rode it correctly (with some help from Ineos). Yates a solid second and Hindley the surprise from the rest.

 

[HelloDolly]

Wasn't the greatest fan of Tour De France Unchained but loved the bit where O Connor is lying there with contusion and torn muscles in his backside and cant move one leg and Ag2r come in and say he must keep going and they will see in 4 days at rest day. The look on his face when he tries to explain he can t ride in limited French. He ends up just laughing

 

[Red Rick]

Yes, plus the numbers can‘t be compared to other climbs because of the altitude.

It's pretty high but at the same time the 6.5km 8.2% is a very common sort of effort if you just adjust for altitude a little bit.

 

[theyoungest]

Vingegaard looks ready for the Tour start

He does, and you can also see what they're still going to work on in the next few weeks. The initial acceleration is great, probably Pogi level, but then he struggles a bit (relatively speaking of course, he's still by far the best in this field).

I think he is where he wants to be: good, really good even, but not at his very best.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

He does, and you can also see what they're still going to work on in the next few weeks. The initial acceleration is great, probably Pogi level, but then he struggles a bit (relatively speaking of course, he's still by far the best in this field).

I think he is where he wants to be: good, really good even, but not at his very best.

In post-race interview Vingo said he's not quite peaking yet, he has more fine-tuning to do. So yeah, we should plan on seeing more from Vingo at the Tour.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Croix de Fer is never the focal point of a stage though, and they typically don't do the Molard side either.

Last part (7k or so) is the same isn't it? Seem to remember Quintana and Valverde attacking here hard but my memory might be wrong.

Will be interesting to see if they were ignoring him entirely or he was just better to that degree anyway.

 

[ice&fire]

In post-race interview Vingo said he's not quite peaking yet, he has more fine-tuning to do. So yeah, we should plan on seeing more from Vingo at the Tour.

Actually, I'm planning to see less from Vingo at the Tour

 

[Tricycle Rider]

In post-race interview Campenaerts said he plans on suffering tomorrow, that doesn't sound very promising.

Anyhoo, today's stage was rather quiet but the scenery was once again lovely, I even saw some cows and some fan dressed like Moses on the roadside!