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tobydawq

tobydawq

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Netserk said:
Plenty of riders have peaked for different weeks of GTs historically. Yes, in absolute terms too. Ugrumov '94 is a classic. Likewise Nibali '16.
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Froome '18 too.

That other poster you responded to is not too bright.

Seriously though, I don't think it's a good strategy if you go for GC. Or for stages for that matter. It seems improbable to me that you would be able to absorb the training load well if the fitness level is lacking because there is no time for recovery. Maybe shorter stages help?

Also, good job knowing everything about the performance of Ugrumov in a race that happened when you were one year old.
 
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Netserk

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I'd guess they can adjust just how much they taper right before it begins to optimise more than usual for the third week, if the route makes that attractive.

In any case, you don't need to know how the sausage gets made to compare different sausages as they are. Somehow, riders are able to adjust their form.
 
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Valv.Piti

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tobydawq said:
Froome '18 too.

That other poster you responded to is not too bright.

Seriously though, I don't think it's a good strategy if you go for GC. Or for stages for that matter. It seems improbable to me that you would be able to absorb the training load well if the fitness level is lacking because there is no time for recovery. Maybe shorter stages help?

Also, good job knowing everything about the performance of Ugrumov in a race that happened when you were one year old.
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Coppi did it in 49 as well. Its a common strat
 
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Samu Cuenca

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Froome said:
Quintana improved during the Tour 2015 and he was better in the third week.

Nibali was worse than Contador and Froome at Dauphine 2014, he wasn't in top shape in the beggining of the race, but in the last week he was more stronger.
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Contador and Froome also ended the race more injured (I choose to believe Nibali would have won anyway, but we'll never know).
 
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Valv.Piti

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Michael Rasmussen was doing very badly in week 1 in 2007 (he was actually one of the worst in the entire peloton!), then he improved to being the strongest in the race in week 2, and in week 3 he got even better which even had his own team in total disbelief, so they sent him home.

In the end they were right, but they probably should sent him home after realizing just how good he suddenly got when the road started tilting upwards in the Alps after some very mediocre riding in Northern France!
 
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tobydawq

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Valv.Piti said:
Michael Rasmussen was doing very badly in week 1 in 2007 (he was actually one of the worst in the entire peloton!), then he improved to being the strongest in the race in week 2, and in week 3 he got even better which even had his own team in total disbelief, so they sent him home.

In the end they were right, but they probably should sent him home after realizing just how good he suddenly got when the road started tilting upwards in the Alps after some very mediocre riding in Northern France!
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tobydawq said:
You don't get fit during the Tour. If you're not fit at the beginning, you're ***. One of the rather annoying cycling myths.
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I don’t think in this era when people talk about a rider coming in undercooked it means arriving at the start without full fitness. I think it’s a matter of tapering. If you want to be at the best possible performance level in the first week a rider would start tapering earlier. If someone wants to be at their best in the 3rd week they might stay at altitude longer and/or continue intense training to a point closer to the start of the race. Although I admit I’m not sure if this is relevant when it comes to Pogacar and Vingegaard since they are at such a high level for long periods.

ed. I see my post is kinda redundant given that several of you posted essentially the same already. When I’m catching up with several pages thread and want to respond to a comment, I forget I should read through the rest of the thread before responding 😜
 
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Froome said:
Quintana improved during the Tour 2015 and he was better in the third week.

Nibali was worse than Contador and Froome at Dauphine 2014, he wasn't in top shape in the beggining of the race, but in the last week he was more stronger.
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Was Quintana not good in the 1st week—or was it just that he lost time in the echelon stage (which has rectified by seeming to get into the front group of every echelon action since then?
 
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Froome said:
I don't know if Contador or Froome were going to beat Nibali, but looking just to Nibali, i think he was more stronger in the third week.
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I watched the 2015 Tour, but I can’t remember - what happened to Nibali? He was very good in 2014, I agree, though I don’t think he was better than Froome or Contador, but in 2015 he was nowhere. He beat Contador, sure, but Contador had already won a tough Giro in which he dislocated his shoulder in a crash, and Nibali lost 4:35 in what I think was the first real climbing test.
 
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gregrowlerson said:
I don't see why Remco can't be in the lower sections of the top 10 here, and then bid for overall victory in July. Still plenty of time to improve form, and a slightly slower build up is expected post injury.
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Klaas Lodewijck confirmed that the Dauphine is no goal, that he is still building up to his top shape and that even the TT will come to early as he hardly could train on his TT bike. Being in peak shape for the TdF is the real goal. He and the team will do a second altitude training at Isola 2000 with the goal to extend the peak to the important third week of the TdF where the biggest differences in the GC could be made. The hope is that he can extend that shape to the Olympics as well (his next big goal).
 
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Sprint bonus of 3, 2 & 1 second as per normal.
Stage 1 (and stage 3 according to the Rule Book) should have been a sprint stage but as sprinters and their leadout men thought it was n't worth the effort to come, maybe the break might take it! BUT! Sam Bennett is here, GC, points and 4 stages winner at the recent 4 Jours de Dunkerque.
 
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