Critérium du Dauphiné 2025, June 8 - 15

[Samu Cuenca]

How does the certification actually work?

How do you avoid people just dyeing their hair to get in?

I'm guessing the process would involve checking peoples pubes?

RhD judges it from photos alone, which is odd considering she doesn't usually like to look at recorded images.

 

[AlpRaid]

everyone needs to chill a bit, me thinks.

remco would always be favored to gain time on pog on the flat parts.

and then there was a headwind specifically on those flat sections today.

that only accentuates the advantage remco gains through his superior cda.

it would be great to know official isolated climbing times, however. remco did a great ride, but if he is within a 3-5 seconds on the climb as well to the two alien climbers, that would be good too. I still think the pog and vingo will drop him in the mountains. let's hope he has narrowed the gap a bit.

let's hope there is a massive headwind in the first TDF ITT to keep remco in play at least a bit longer.

and imagine 2x50km flat TTs, that would make vingo and pog attack even more and perhaps throw caution to the wind and not just watch each other. then again I don't think pog knows the word "caution" anyway.

 

[dobrien]

everyone needs to chill a bit, me thinks.

That would suck every bit of the fun out of the forum though!

 

[SHAD0W93]

I figured Vingegaard and Pogacar would be close with it going either way, especially with how Vingegaard looked earlier in the year TTing. Just means Pogacar wins overall by less over Vinge.

 

[RedheadDane]

How does the certification actually work?

How do you avoid people just dyeing their hair to get in?

I check the profile pictures on PCS.
If a rider doesn't have red hair in all the pictures, it's obviously fraud.

(Not that I think riders care enough to do that...)

 

[Cookster15]

Some people need to go back and look how Pogacar did in the 2020 Dauphiné.

There was no TT then and we haven't had the mountains yet. Best to wait and see IMO.

Also need to know more about his time on the climb today. If he was quickest then maybe this is partly a pacing issue.

Other than Pogacar, the most shocking thing for me today was Jorgenson.

 

[Red Rick]

There was no TT then and we haven't had the mountains yet. Best to wait and see IMO.

Also need to know more about his time on the climb today. If he was quickest then maybe this is partly a pacing issue.

Other than Pogacar, the most shocking thing for me today was Jorgenson.

Athlete	Time
1	Tadej Pogačar Pogi	4:20	23.4 km/h
1	Matteo Jorgenson	4:20	23.4 km/h
3	Lenny Martinez	4:24	23.1 km/h
4	archie ryan	4:35	22.2 km/h
5	Paul Seixas	4:36	22.1 km/h
6	Bruno Armirail	4:37	22.0 km/h
7	Harold Tejada	4:39	21.9 km/h
7	Tobias Johannessen	4:39	21.9 km/h
7	Rémi Cavagna	4:39	21.9 km/h
10	Aurelien Paret Peintre	4:42	21.6 km/h

This is straight from Strava, so obviously not everyone is in there.

 

[houtdffan]

As I said, a giro'like drubbing

If this was last year's ITT, Pog probably loses 2 minutes today. He had a really bad day

 

[Cycling111]

I've been reading on this forum for months that Pogacar is boring because he's superior, and now it turns out it's normal to be at the same level as Jorgenson and Lipowitz. It wasn't a bad time trial for Pogacar; the others are just good and at his level. LOL

 

[Cookster15]

As I said, a giro'like drubbing

If this was last year's ITT, Pog probably loses 2 minutes today. He had a really bad day

Thing is, as RR confirmed, Pog was quick on the climb, at least compared to those on Strava, but lost so much on the flat sections - even to Jorgensen.

 

[houtdffan]

Thing is, as RR confirmed, Pog was quick on the climb, at least compared to those on Strava, but lost so much on the flat sections - even to Jorgensen.

last year's ITT was dead flat for 33km, like the TDF stage 5

This only shows Drunk Gouvenou needs to bring back the 2 long ITTs. Let the aliens battle it out on all terrain, not just the mountains

 

[Cycling111]

Thing is, as RR confirmed, Pog was quick on the climb, at least compared to those on Strava, but lost so much on the flat sections - even to Jorgensen.

I think X's calculations were wrong.

According to Strava, Pogacar climbed the same time as Jorgenson.
And no matter how much some people now say it's normal, that Pogacar climbing like Jorgenson is because Pogacar hasn´tt been at his level.

It was definitely a bad ITT for Pogacar.
We'll soon see if it was just a bad day or if he's out of shape because something went wrong in his preparation.

 

[Red Rick]

Athlete	Time
1	Tadej Pogačar Pogi	4:20	23.4 km/h
1	Matteo Jorgenson	4:20	23.4 km/h
3	Lenny Martinez	4:24	23.1 km/h
4	archie ryan	4:35	22.2 km/h
5	Paul Seixas	4:36	22.1 km/h
6	Bruno Armirail	4:37	22.0 km/h
7	Harold Tejada	4:39	21.9 km/h
7	Tobias Johannessen	4:39	21.9 km/h
7	Rémi Cavagna	4:39	21.9 km/h
10	Aurelien Paret Peintre	4:42	21.6 km/h

This is straight from Strava, so obviously not everyone is in there.

Race Analysis : Critérium du Dauphiné - Watts2Win

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Wattstowin has Vingegaard roughly the same time on the climb.

 

[Valv.Piti]

last year's ITT was dead flat for 33km, like the TDF stage 5

This only shows Drunk Gouvenou needs to bring back the 2 long ITTs. Let the aliens battle it out on all terrain, not just the mountains

Its obvious to anyone that should have been the case even last year. This year is much of the same. Very disappointing, and my by far biggest gripe with the routes they are making right now (which in many areas are better than ever before, but also severely lacking in some departments - mainly the two biggest ones which are proper TT's and at least just one +200 very hard mountain stage).

 

[Gratemans]

I figured Vingegaard and Pogacar would be close with it going either way, especially with how Vingegaard looked earlier in the year TTing. Just means Pogacar wins overall by less over Vinge.

I actually expected this ranking. But not that big a gap between Vingegaard and Pogacar. I was thinking more like max 10 seconds.
Remco winning this was a no brainer. He already showed to be in good shape, and just look at him on that TT bike. Perfection. (I still expect him to ship a lot of time on the mountain stages in the Tour though)

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Giannetti waking up Ernesto Colnago to get to work on the TT bike

 

[Gratemans]

Giannetti waking up Ernesto Colnago to get to work on the TT bike

And the trophy for forum gif-master goes to.... 😄

 

[Berflamand]

Race Analysis : Critérium du Dauphiné - Watts2Win

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Wattstowin has Vingegaard roughly the same time on the climb.

Remco's Strava file is up: 4:15 and KOM on the climb.

 

[red_flanders]

Athlete	Time
1	Tadej Pogačar Pogi	4:20	23.4 km/h
1	Matteo Jorgenson	4:20	23.4 km/h
3	Lenny Martinez	4:24	23.1 km/h
4	archie ryan	4:35	22.2 km/h
5	Paul Seixas	4:36	22.1 km/h
6	Bruno Armirail	4:37	22.0 km/h
7	Harold Tejada	4:39	21.9 km/h
7	Tobias Johannessen	4:39	21.9 km/h
7	Rémi Cavagna	4:39	21.9 km/h
10	Aurelien Paret Peintre	4:42	21.6 km/h

This is straight from Strava, so obviously not everyone is in there.

Thanks for posting this.

Remco posted 4:15 on the Val d'Enfer segment.

Ah, sorry @Berflamand, just seeing you posted the same.

 

[Oldman]

Great point, if he's just experimenting it's one thing, tbd it seems.

If he lost 27 seconds to Jonas before the climb he should either warm up better or chuck the positioning experiment. Remco aced the climb and the immediate acceleration on the descent.
I think Pogacar managed that in some other race and folks were amazed. Folks like the riders finishing in front today.

 

[red_flanders]

On the steepest part of the climb, Remco posts 1:49 and Pogi 1:56.

Strava has it's...inconsistencies, let's say, but if accurate, very good times for Remco.

Partial leaderboard:

 

[Cycling111]

Pogacar also worse than Lenny Martinez? WTF
Is that normal too? Do we still think Pogacar did well?

Lenny, Jorgenson, and Lipowitz did well, but Pogacar did well too, which is why they all surpassed him for the first time.

 

[broppo]

pogacar did amazing, but the rest did more amazing!

 

[Cycling111]

pogacar did amazing, but the rest did more amazing!

No. Pogacar at his level, not even the best, would never be beaten by Lenny and Jorgenson.
All at once are at the same level as Pogacar

It´s a bad ITT.
It seems so obvious to me that I don't know if you're serious or trolling

If we'd been told before the race that Pogacar would have a worse climb than Lenny and Jorgenson, we'd think he was sick or had some problem. Now, it's normal for everyone to be at Pogacar's level without this implying poor performance of Pogacar
And this after reading for months that Pogacar is boring because he is so superior to almost everyone.

 

[houtdffan]

Pog is much like Contador in the ITT. He is known to throw up an absolute stinker from time to time. Today appears to be that day.

That is the thing with the alien division. If you are slightly off, you get absolutely crushed. It's not like the human division where you only lose a few seconds