Criterium du Dauphine (2.UWT), 3-10 June

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tobydawq said:
wirral said:
Why was Impey not wearing green? He was second on points behind Kwiatkowski.

If you have a national, continental or world champion's jersey, you don't have to wear a secondary jersey in a competition (sprint, KOM, youth) if you don't lead it (that is to say, if the leader in that competition is wearing a higher prioritised jersey).
Thanks, a subtle point that.
 
I am interested in how Sky will go in the TTT - By rights they should win by 30 to 40s with their team, but with Thomas and Kwiatkovski on the deck, you wonder if this will affect their performance.
 
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Climbing said:
yaco said:
I am interested in how Sky will go in the TTT - By rights they should win by 30 to 40s with their team, but with Thomas and Kwiatkovski on the deck, you wonder if this will affect their performance.

It's Sky, they will absolutely smash it anyway.

It's Sky , they tend to underperform in TTT's with stacked teams. Someone like Mitchelton or BMC will beat them
 
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MuskyOurSaviour said:
Climbing said:
yaco said:
I am interested in how Sky will go in the TTT - By rights they should win by 30 to 40s with their team, but with Thomas and Kwiatkovski on the deck, you wonder if this will affect their performance.

It's Sky, they will absolutely smash it anyway.

It's Sky , they tend to underperform in TTT's with stacked teams. Someone like Mitchelton or BMC will beat them
I agree, like in Tirreno this year, they should have smashed everyone, but they finished third:
https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/tirreno-adriatico/2018/stage-1
 
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Apparently there's a lot of illness within Team Sunweb atm, two riders already out of the race and Phil Bauhaus was on the brink of quitting today. Gonna be a tight one for the TTT tomorrow...
 
There’s an argument to be made that Bora should focus almost entirely on sprint and classics support. They have a team designed to be competitive in all kinds of races, but it’s their sprinters who regularly deliver. I wonder though how they will juggle having three ambitious sprinters on their roster next year. It works this year because there’s a clear order of priority - Sagan gets the Tour, Bennett the Giro, Ackermann is the development prospect - and they are all comfortable with it. But with all of them doing well it gets harder to keep them all happy. In particular, there’s only so long Ackermann is likely to be hapoy with the chances available to a team’s no 3 sprinter.
 
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Zinoviev Letter said:
There’s an argument to be made that Bora should focus almost entirely on sprint and classics support. They have a team designed to be competitive in all kinds of races, but it’s their sprinters who regularly deliver. I wonder though how they will juggle having three ambitious sprinters on their roster next year. It works this year because there’s a clear order of priority - Sagan gets the Tour, Bennett the Giro, Ackermann is the development prospect - and they are all comfortable with it. But with all of them doing well it gets harder to keep them all happy. In particular, there’s only so long Ackermann is likely to be hapoy with the chances available to a team’s no 3 sprinter.

I really like the way they are doing it this year and it is not like their sprinters lack support. Bennett was unlucky because Selig DNFed early in this years Giro.
They have young and talented GC riders:
Konrad (7th Paris-Nizza, 7th Giro), Formolo (7th Tireno. 10th Giro), Buchmann (4th Basque Country)

+ Majka and König if they ever get back to their peak level.
 
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Zinoviev Letter said:
There’s an argument to be made that Bora should focus almost entirely on sprint and classics support. They have a team designed to be competitive in all kinds of races, but it’s their sprinters who regularly deliver. I wonder though how they will juggle having three ambitious sprinters on their roster next year. It works this year because there’s a clear order of priority - Sagan gets the Tour, Bennett the Giro, Ackermann is the development prospect - and they are all comfortable with it. But with all of them doing well it gets harder to keep them all happy. In particular, there’s only so long Ackermann is likely to be hapoy with the chances available to a team’s no 3 sprinter.

Have to reckon MS will be interested in Ackerman if Ewan leaves for Lotto Soudal - MS would provide a good calendar and one GT each year with good support.
 
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ferryman said:
Am I the only one who thought Gaudu should not have started today?

nope - looking at the photos of him, it seemed reckless to let him continue - and on a wet day too. He managed to come in 5 minutes down in a big bunch today. He must have wanted to continue so let's hope he stays upright. (I see he has number 111 - Nelson - which is a bit of a jinx number)

Messy ol' sprint but chapeau Ackermann! :)
First G, now Kwia pushing too hard and coming a cropper. Let's see in the next couple of days how they feel. Poor ol' Sunweb are going to have a tough time in the TTT.
 
Stage 3: Pont-de-Vaux - Louhans 35km TTT starts 14:50 TV from 15.15
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Final km is a real challenge -
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weather - Partly cloudy. A stray shower or thunderstorm is possible (20% possibility). High 27C. Winds S at 10 to 15 km/h.
 
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yaco said:
Have to reckon MS will be interested in Ackerman if Ewan leaves for Lotto Soudal - MS would provide a good calendar and one GT each year with good support.

How big a draw will a top German sprinter be for Bora, is it possible a potential German star (Especially with Kittel's loss of form) would be seen as more valuable for the sponsors than Bennett.

Bennett and Sagan are both contracted for 2019 so will be interesting to see if Bora offer Ackermann a new deal
 
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Zinoviev Letter said:
There’s an argument to be made that Bora should focus almost entirely on sprint and classics support. They have a team designed to be competitive in all kinds of races, but it’s their sprinters who regularly deliver. I wonder though how they will juggle having three ambitious sprinters on their roster next year. It works this year because there’s a clear order of priority - Sagan gets the Tour, Bennett the Giro, Ackermann is the development prospect - and they are all comfortable with it. But with all of them doing well it gets harder to keep them all happy. In particular, there’s only so long Ackermann is likely to be hapoy with the chances available to a team’s no 3 sprinter.

Ackermann, exactly like Bennett, is a very clever guy: they are not of the type of guys that want everything straight away. They perfectly know what's the best to develop themselves.

Bennett extended his contract last year with year for two years (and not just one!). He knew that Sagan would still be here and he would have to deal with. What's that a problem for him?
Somehow yes of course. But somehow not at all. Simply because Bennett knew he could trust Bora (a team that brought so much so far). He knew it was perfect for his development: he would have the needed support and he would have the calendar that is needed for his development. Bennett is ambitious but he understands how a hierarchy works.
For now, he's still too far to compete with Sagan.
He just did prove he was one of the best sprinters in the world during the Giro. But he perfectly knows it is not enough. Before to even pretend to have more, he has to win some very WT one-day races, such as Francfort, Hambourg, London or Plouay. His palmares is still short for the one-day races. His best one so far is a Münsterland Giro (I like the race, and the field was *** impressive, but still it is not enough)

About Ackermann, it is exactly the same thing. Eaxctly as Bennett, he still has to prove a lot. First of all, he would have to compete in la Vuelta and to win there. He's still young. Leaving Bora without even having raced a GT would be quite stupid (and I don't see Bora let him race la Vuelta if he will not stay with the team).
Ackermann will not find anywhere else such a perfect environment as Bora has been able to deliver to him. Bora made Ackermann, the guy knows that (and so does Bennett btw).
Ackermann is a eager guy, he always wants more, and especially always wants to be the best. I like that! And I also like his intelligence, the way he's aware of his strengths and weaknesses, the way hes' able to analyse a race. He knows he still has a lot to do. And he also has a very high level of self-confidence.

Why would you guys want him to leave Bora then?
He still knows he has a lot to improve. That requires time. It requires to race la Vuelta and see if he's competitive there. It requires to discover the Flanders Classic (there is hardly a better way than doing at Bora by assisting the master himself on the big races and getting some opportunities on less important races like Dwaars door Vlandeeren for instance).
If he becomes so good, then he would be a danger for Sagan. Then, it's a new game.

Both Bennett and Ackermann can still perfectly be happy next year. They can share the GTs, the WT races among them, so that everyone would be happy.
That far, excepted the Tour de France, MSR, the Tour of Flanders and Roubaix, every other race is possible for Bennett or Ackermann. Both of them are still not of the level to demand to participate for that.
And fact is among all teams, Bora is the best team for them to developp themselves into riders that will eventually be able to reach that level.
Both know that ;)

If Bora is as clever as they are, a perfect understanding between them all should happen.

(And I would add another point: Sagan himself. Sagan's contract ends at the end of 2019. Then what? Will he still be interested by racing on road? Will he still want to aim the same races? Nothing is sure with the guy. He's a big factor of uncertainty. Bennett, Ackermann and Bora would all be wrong to take him as a given. Everything can happen.)

(I would also add a second other point and a third one :D
If you look at this year, Bora managed so far perfectly well its calendar to make everyone happy and to put everyone in the best possible situation so that they developp themselves. One could argue it worked because many of the Bora top riders were still young and in development and they would want more. That's true. But again, it's a matter of time and of progressing step by step and it's a matter of being aware of their own abilities. No need to hurry. And to me, everyone is aware of that.
Which leads to my third point, Bora has to BE clever and helps the riders in this approach. Which means that Majka should leave Bora because he's now completely useless in the team. And which means it's plain stupid to want to get a Mollema as I've seen ITrumored... so I really hope it's not true. Room needs to be made in Bora for the sprinters, but also for the young prospects (Konrad, Buchmann, Formolo). There is no point in having such useless riders as Majka and Mollema that brings nothing more the three other guys cannot bring (and with the money they cost, it would be possible to give more to everyone, i.e. also better support for the sprinters.

If Bora is not too stupid and the current Bora riders are not too stupid too, they should all realize what is best in their interests. The optimum for all of them is a collective optimum. I really hope they'll see that ;) )
 
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wirral said:
I am sure this question has been asked before but....

With only now 7 riders in a full squad, at what rider on the line is the time taken in a team time trial?

From the rule book
http://netstorage.lequipe.fr/ASO/cycling_cdd/CDD18-rules.pdf
ARTICLE
15. Team time trial The provisions of article 2.6.028 are applicable to the stage 3 team time trial. Teams shall set off at 3-minute intervals in reverse order of the general team classification, except for the team of the leader of the general individual classification, which will start last.
Once the first team has set off, training is forbidden on the course.
The stage classification for each team is based on the time taken on the fourth rider to cross the finish line.
The same time shall be awarded to all riders finishing in the same time or a faster one.
Real times are applied to the general individual classification for each rider as follows:
-time of the fourth rider in each time for riders awarded this time in accordance with the above
rule;
- real time for slower riders; and
- riders who finish after the deadlines set in the rules are disqualified.

Where a team has fewer than 4 riders left in the race, remaining riders are required to complete the course within the set deadline.

The following finishing deadlines have been set:
- Stages 1 and 2: 10%
- Stage 3 (team time trial): 30%
- Stages 4, 5, 6 and 7: 15%
In exceptional cases only, the Commissaires Panel may extend the finishing time limits after
consultation with the organiser.