Dave Brailsford - cycling genius

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fmk_RoI said:
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If only people who had not said something wrong had the right to talk, no one would talk! And at anytime discuss the messagen not the messager!

Why did the riders protested at that time? Because the criterium were not races, just a show! Why should riders tested when there were no OOCC in those days? At the end of TDF, riders were tired, sometimes ill and they wanted, mostly, to be able to take the medicine they needed( and maybe more) .

or the "medicines" they took during the TDF were still in their body and could be found if controlled
Not likely. There was a lot of doping for crits. (You're read Kimmage? The three occasions he used dope were all crits.)

An anecdote from a Euro-Pro circa 80's to early 90's was that amphetamines were really popular for post-Tour kermesses because there was tons of money to be won and nobody was testing. Made sense when he said it.

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poupou said:
If only people who had not said something wrong had the right to talk, no one would talk! And at anytime discuss the messagen not the messager!

Why did the riders protested at that time? Because the criterium were not races, just a show! Why should riders tested when there were no OOCC in those days? At the end of TDF, riders were tired, sometimes ill and they wanted, mostly, to be able to take the medicine they needed( and maybe more) .

We ARE talking about the message.

So I get it. It's ok for French riders to dope...and then criticise others for doing the same (asthma puffer) at a later date.

There is a time limit on hypocrisy...but only if you are French. If you work or ride for Team Sky your hypocrisy lasts forever.
With all due respect, you are missing the fact that times changed. Doping in JRB's day was the norm. There was little real outcry over it. You got busted, you got a suspended suspension. You got busted again, if you played it right you got a winter ban. The media didn't care about it: doping stories were buried down the column on page 94 of l'Équipe. The fans didn't really care: at best were ambivalent, at worst we believed the lies about it being necessary. As for the UCI, it did little to counter the problem, in fact encouraged it. Today, times have changed: the attitude of the fans and the media is clearly different. The culture within the peloton has changed. It's not clean but doping is not what it was. Are people who doped back when it was the norm really supposed to just STFU now? Does condemning doping now having participated in doping then automatically make you a hypocrite? Do you really believe only Simon Pures should speak against doping? Really?

Here's the real question for you: is JRB today encouraging doping? Do you believe that he still operates a culture of the pill and the potion across the teams he runs? If he does and he's damning Sky, then yes, that makes him a hypocrite. Is that what you are saying is going on here?

I think, first and foremost, he's trying to remove a rival.
 
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macbindle said:
I think, first and foremost, he's trying to remove a rival.
That's what they're all doing, surely? Anyone within the peloton speaking one way or the other on this, they're either trying to curry favour and safeguard their future job prospects or they're trying to remove a rival. I mean, they are all that cynical, we know that.

But believing that is a world away from denying his right to speak out against doping today just because he doped in his era and called for critériums to stay outside the doping control regime.
 
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macbindle said:
fmk_RoI said:
macbindle said:
poupou said:
If only people who had not said something wrong had the right to talk, no one would talk! And at anytime discuss the messagen not the messager!

Why did the riders protested at that time? Because the criterium were not races, just a show! Why should riders tested when there were no OOCC in those days? At the end of TDF, riders were tired, sometimes ill and they wanted, mostly, to be able to take the medicine they needed( and maybe more) .

We ARE talking about the message.

So I get it. It's ok for French riders to dope...and then criticise others for doing the same (asthma puffer) at a later date.

There is a time limit on hypocrisy...but only if you are French. If you work or ride for Team Sky your hypocrisy lasts forever.
With all due respect, you are missing the fact that times changed. Doping in JRB's day was the norm. There was little real outcry over it. You got busted, you got a suspended suspension. You got busted again, if you played it right you got a winter ban. The media didn't care about it: doping stories were buried down the column on page 94 of l'Équipe. The fans didn't really care: at best were ambivalent, at worst we believed the lies about it being necessary. As for the UCI, it did little to counter the problem, in fact encouraged it. Today, times have changed: the attitude of the fans and the media is clearly different. The culture within the peloton has changed. It's not clean but doping is not what it was. Are people who doped back when it was the norm really supposed to just STFU now? Does condemning doping now having participated in doping then automatically make you a hypocrite? Do you really believe only Simon Pures should speak against doping? Really?

Here's the real question for you: is JRB today encouraging doping? Do you believe that he still operates a culture of the pill and the potion across the teams he runs? If he does and he's damning Sky, then yes, that makes him a hypocrite. Is that what you are saying is going on here?

I think, first and foremost, he's trying to remove a rival.
How is Froome a rival for Calmejane et al.'s stage hunting?
 
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Brailsford:
"Have I considered my position? I think anybody who works in this game considers his position. I'm constantly thinking, 'Am I the right person to support the team?' It's not about me, my goal is to try and help these guys, not just to perform but to perform optimally, and there's a difference. I think regardless of DCMS or anything else, there's constantly that piece of self-questioning about am I appropriately placed and have I the skills or whatever else to do that. And I think it's something you ask yourself all the time. Things come and go, things change, and situations change, but I'm here and I'm here because I think I am still in a position to support these guys to be the best they can be."
Brailsford has, in the past, on at least two occasions, admitted that he has given serious consideration to quitting.

The first was after Fiddy-Cent Hayles got busted by the haematocrit police in the Manchester medal factory and the media made a bit of a fuss. Brailsford admitted to Richard Moore, for the Heroes, Villains and Velodromes book, that he almost did the modern equivalent of retiring to the drawing room with a stiff whisky and his revolver.

Given he'd already admitted to Moore in that book how he had firm suspicions about some British Cycling riders doping and dealt with them by just dropping them from the squad - not talking to their teams, not talking to the UCI, just moving them on like a priest to a new parish - I always found it strange that Hayles's haematocrit fluctuation could almost push Brailsford over the edge. Here's what he said to Moore about those pesky riders he moved on:
"Some people are very quiet on doping, but I've always been open about it. I introduced blood testing a long time ago, and I said to the riders, ‘We're going to take your blood and if there's anything suspicious I‘m not going to send you to the police, or the anti-doping guys. We're going to do it in-house, and if I see anything dodgy, I'm just going to phone you up and say, "Look, we know what you're doing. You can tell me about it if you want. But you ain't riding, that's for sure."' And there have been three or four riders, Great Britain riders, who didn't get selected, where I‘ve had to say: ‘No, you're not riding, because we know what you're doing.' And they just said: ‘Oh, alright then.'"
The other time was after the the toxic cloud from the USADA report engulfed Sky and they realised that, despite their much vaunted ZTP, they had somehow become a home from home for former dopers who were still in the closet about their habits. Fortunately Alastair Campbell was on hand to talk Brailsford down off the ledge that time and instead they threw Steve de Jongh, Bobby Julich, Sean Yates and Michael Rogers on the sacrificial altar in a vain attempt to sate the media's desire for blood and allow Sky to retrench behind the thin blue line and rebuild the ramparts of ZTP.

Given that those were probably the two biggest scandals of their time to catch Brailsford unprepared for the media reaction - other scandals had either drawn no media fire or had been successfully dealt with in-house on the hush-hush - you could possibly understand why the man would admit publicly that he'd considered quitting. And I guess we can probably also understand how, with the cumulative effect of the Fancy Bears and the Jiffy Bag and the puffergate things, he's now reached the stage where he'd like us to believe he thinks about quitting every single day now. Just like a smoker, I guess, who every day thinks to themself that they really should give up the habit. Just not today. Maybe tomorrow.
 
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Wiggo's Package said:
Robert5091 said:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bra...ng-am-i-the-right-person-to-support-the-team/
...at Team Sky's pre-race press conference on Wednesday, Brailsford seemed to labour under the misapprehension that the assembled media would simply ask about race tactics and his impressions of Israel.
:lol:

"Nobody, it seems, can side-step a straight question quite like Dave Brailsford"

:lol:

Indeed :D many lols

"I'm happy to share them. I'll share them when it's appropriate. I'm not going to share them with you right now."

...it's black, it's grey, it's white........all in one sentence :lol:
 
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fmk_RoI said:
Brailsford:
"Have I considered my position? I think anybody who works in this game considers his position. I'm constantly thinking, 'Am I the right person to support the team?' It's not about me, my goal is to try and help these guys, not just to perform but to perform optimally, and there's a difference. I think regardless of DCMS or anything else, there's constantly that piece of self-questioning about am I appropriately placed and have I the skills or whatever else to do that. And I think it's something you ask yourself all the time. Things come and go, things change, and situations change, but I'm here and I'm here because I think I am still in a position to support these guys to be the best they can be."
Brailsford has, in the past, on at least two occasions, admitted that he has given serious consideration to quitting.

The first was after Fiddy-Cent Hayles got busted by the haematocrit police in the Manchester medal factory and the media made a bit of a fuss. Brailsford admitted to Richard Moore, for the Heroes, Villains and Velodromes book, that he almost did the modern equivalent of retiring to the drawing room with a stiff whisky and his revolver.

Given he'd already admitted to Moore in that book how he had firm suspicions about some British Cycling riders doping and dealt with them by just dropping them from the squad - not talking to their teams, not talking to the UCI, just moving them on like a priest to a new parish - I always found it strange that Hayles's haematocrit fluctuation could almost push Brailsford over the edge. Here's what he said to Moore about those pesky riders he moved on:
"Some people are very quiet on doping, but I've always been open about it. I introduced blood testing a long time ago, and I said to the riders, ‘We're going to take your blood and if there's anything suspicious I‘m not going to send you to the police, or the anti-doping guys. We're going to do it in-house, and if I see anything dodgy, I'm just going to phone you up and say, "Look, we know what you're doing. You can tell me about it if you want. But you ain't riding, that's for sure."' And there have been three or four riders, Great Britain riders, who didn't get selected, where I‘ve had to say: ‘No, you're not riding, because we know what you're doing.' And they just said: ‘Oh, alright then.'"
The other time was after the the toxic cloud from the USADA report engulfed Sky and they realised that, despite their much vaunted ZTP, they had somehow become a home from home for former dopers who were still in the closet about their habits. Fortunately Alastair Campbell was on hand to talk Brailsford down off the ledge that time and instead they threw Steve de Jongh, Bobby Julich, Sean Yates and Michael Rogers on the sacrificial altar in a vain attempt to sate the media's desire for blood and allow Sky to retrench behind the thin blue line and rebuild the ramparts of ZTP.

Given that those were probably the two biggest scandals of their time to catch Brailsford unprepared for the media reaction - other scandals had either drawn no media fire or had been successfully dealt with in-house on the hush-hush - you could possibly understand why the man would admit publicly that he'd considered quitting. And I guess we can probably also understand how, with the cumulative effect of the Fancy Bears and the Jiffy Bag and the puffergate things, he's now reached the stage where he'd like us to believe he thinks about quitting every single day now. Just like a smoker, I guess, who every day thinks to themself that they really should give up the habit. Just not today. Maybe tomorrow.

Taking anything Brailsfraud says at face value is a mug's game

I doubt he'll ever quit because he's got multiple cover ups to manage

Without Brailsfraud the centre cannot hold mere anarchy is loosed upon the world
 
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Said that, quite frankly he wasn't surprised by Froome's performance today, it was part of a plan discussed last night. He put the Froome performance down to a 'fuelling plan' where the team was dispersed throughout the route to ensure Froome was kept fuelled throughout. A new marginal gain.
 
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ontheroad said:
Said that, quite frankly he wasn't surprised by Froome's performance today, it was part of a plan discussed last night. He put the Froome performance down to a 'fuelling plan' where the team was dispersed throughout the route to ensure Froome was kept fuelled throughout. A new marginal gain.

Yes, yes, yes, 80 km solo and winning by 3 minutes is easy enough to do that it isn't surprising anymore.

***.
 
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Genius plan: drop everyone, go solo and put 3-9 minutes on all your rivals. Generals like Friedrich the Great, Napoleon, Alexander the Great, Von Hötzendorf and Cadorna might have been able to come up with something similar.
 
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ontheroad said:
Said that, quite frankly he wasn't surprised by Froome's performance today, it was part of a plan discussed last night. He put the Froome performance down to a 'fuelling plan' where the team was dispersed throughout the route to ensure Froome was kept fuelled throughout. A new marginal gain.

Like I said, taking the p**s, plain and simple.
 
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ontheroad said:
Said that, quite frankly he wasn't surprised by Froome's performance today, it was part of a plan discussed last night. He put the Froome performance down to a 'fuelling plan' where the team was dispersed throughout the route to ensure Froome was kept fuelled throughout. A new marginal gain.

Such bullsh1t. He was riding solo so the car could come up to him any time they wanted. The chasing group was very small also so they could also feed from the cars.
 
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ruamruam said:
ontheroad said:
Said that, quite frankly he wasn't surprised by Froome's performance today, it was part of a plan discussed last night. He put the Froome performance down to a 'fuelling plan' where the team was dispersed throughout the route to ensure Froome was kept fuelled throughout. A new marginal gain.

Such bullsh1t. He was riding solo so the car could come up to him any time they wanted. The chasing group was very small also so they could also feed from the cars.

I think they said the same thing about Landis
 
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DanielSong39 said:
ruamruam said:
ontheroad said:
Said that, quite frankly he wasn't surprised by Froome's performance today, it was part of a plan discussed last night. He put the Froome performance down to a 'fuelling plan' where the team was dispersed throughout the route to ensure Froome was kept fuelled throughout. A new marginal gain.

Such bullsh1t. He was riding solo so the car could come up to him any time they wanted. The chasing group was very small also so they could also feed from the cars.

I think they said the same thing about Landis

I remember P&P raving about how Landis was pouring bottles after bottles on his head to keep himself cool. But, I guess it's all about marginal gains to spread people through the stage.
 
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So apparently the team spent all day yesterday talking about it, planning today, planning everything. How were they doing that when there was a race on?

Brailsford is so full of it
 
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MartinGT said:
So apparently the team spent all day yesterday talking about it, planning today, planning everything. How were they doing that when there was a race on?

Brailsford is so full of it
Seriously.
Always ready to take an opportunity to PR himself. :lol:
 
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Brailsford is a ***.

UK Cycling is a falacy.

Welcome yo the Dope Show, Sir.

#donewithprocycling

#donewithnfl

Another Landis.

I'll continue to watch the Spring Classics & Strade Bianchi.

The sport is dead.

I am mourning the death of the Grand Tours?