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BroDeal said:Yay!!! Another small fry caught. Too bad he could not fly under the radar long enough to make it to the top where no one dopes.
The timeline for De Bonis makes the passport look like even more of a fraud. It goes like this: On May 7 a sample is taken from De Bonis that ends up being positive. On June 17 the UCI names De Bonis as one of a small group of nobodies fingered by the passport. Yup. It must have been a hugely complex decision for Anne Gripper to analyze De Bonis' blood parameters and include him in the list of riders with passport problems. Maybe the UCI should announce tomorrow that Bosisio has passport problems.
cromagnon said:Soo.. these guys getting caught can't afford a transfusion-based programme so they go the cheapskate EPO method?
BroDeal said:The timeline for De Bonis makes the passport look like even more of a fraud.
I Watch Cycling In July said:The timeline is funny but I don't think the passport is a fraud. They really do need enough data on what is normal before they can start taking action based on the passport. The only way they can get enough data is through passport testing, so it will take time.
I Watch Cycling In July said:+1
The timeline is funny but I don't think the passport is a fraud. They really do need enough data on what is normal before they can start taking action based on the passport. The only way they can get enough data is through passport testing, so it will take time.
dimspace said:or as brad wiggins just put it...
"I have just heard De Bonis from D1cks and Vag1nas Team has gone pos for sleeping with Sarah, what a wh0re, 2 this week, + that other hobbit!"
Dekker_Tifosi said:Funny coincedance, De Bonis won a mountain stage in Romandie 08 at the same time Dekker mysteriously quitted the race as number 2 in the general classification.
By the way, Wiggins is kind of an *** himself. First half-accusing Contador of doping after the prologue in Paris Nice because it's impossible to believe for him that someone is stronger. And then he himself sets the most unbelievable and suspicious performance of 2009 in the Tour, by being a top climber out of nowhere, and still bad mouthing others. And finally, his disrespectfull behaviour in the ENECO Tour (quitting the final tt after a good split) and the Worlds ITT also don't make him look good.
Not saying Wiggins is doped, before half UK wants me dead, I'm just saying he is a total ***
Dr. Maserati said:I dont believe the Bio-Passport is a fraud either - however I dont believe it is being utilised to its fullest capabilities. There has been plenty of testing - this is what Pat McQuaid said during the Worlds: Some 13,800 samples from 850 riders were taken this year, the UCI president noted. About 7,500 of them were unannounced out-of-competition controls; this is a dramatic increase from the figure of about 200 taken annually just three years ago.
BroDeal said:When the UCI released the names of riders with passport problems, people laughed because it was a handful of low level riders and has beens. It was dodgy as hell. Now we find out one of the low level riders had given a hot sample more than a month before the release of names, which makes the names released even more dodgy.
Correct, but with this method they only can get to the lower tier riders.rata de sentina said:I think that the UCI is very wary of launching action against anyone on the basis of biopassport alone because they're afraid of getting caned in the inevitable CAS appeal. At the moment the strategy seems to be to use the biopassport to flag suspicious riders and then test the hell out of them. ...
dimspace said:or as brad wiggins just put it...
"I have just heard De Bonis from D1cks and Vag1nas Team has gone pos for sleeping with Sarah, what a wh0re, 2 this week, + that other hobbit!"
rata de sentina said:I think that the UCI is very wary of launching action against anyone on the basis of biopassport alone because they're afraid of getting caned in the inevitable CAS appeal. At the moment the strategy seems to be to use the biopassport to flag suspicious riders and then test the hell out of them. It is actually a good way for shoring up evidence that says these biopassport values/patterns are indicative of doping since X number of riders positive for a known substance show this pattern. That way when you have a similar pattern but no known substance you've got a good case.
I understand people are a little frustrated with the biopassport process but it will take time. A setback in the form of a failed biopassport case in CAS where the underlying science is not sufficiently solid would be a massive disaster. A precedent setting case like that would be a terrible setback. The biopassport is entering new territory and it is worth being cautious in the short term. Having said that, I think that biopassport data is contributing at the moment, it is just not being used on its' own.
dimspace said:or as brad wiggins just put it...
"I have just heard De Bonis from D1cks and Vag1nas Team has gone pos for sleeping with Sarah, what a wh0re, 2 this week, + that other hobbit!"
craig1985 said:And what was Wiggans smoking?
Let's see Gianni Savio defend this one.
auscyclefan94 said:Wiggins is a tool. Plain and Simple![]()
I prefer the subtlety of Marco Pinotti's Twitter about Bosisio.craig1985 said:More of a WTF reaction.
craig1985 said:Let's see Gianni Savio defend this one.