what's with the Italians and their love for cheaters and liars? I mean... DiLuca, Pantani even Berlusconi.
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Not really.glassmoon said:what's with the Italians and their love for cheaters and liars? I mean... DiLuca, Pantani even Berlusconi.
glassmoon said:what's with the Italians and their love for cheaters and liars? I mean... DiLuca, Pantani even Berlusconi.
StryderHells said:glassmoon said:what's with the Italians and their love for cheaters and liars? I mean... DiLuca, Pantani even Berlusconi.
It's not limited to the Italians so I wouldn't be singling them out, Merckx, Anquetil and so many more are idolized by the fans whilst being dopers so it's not just an Italian thing
MartinGT said:StryderHells said:glassmoon said:what's with the Italians and their love for cheaters and liars? I mean... DiLuca, Pantani even Berlusconi.
It's not limited to the Italians so I wouldn't be singling them out, Merckx, Anquetil and so many more are idolized by the fans whilst being dopers so it's not just an Italian thing
Museeuw - Wiggins love in.
It's really f@cked me off the flack DiLuca has got from fanboys of Millar, Wiggins etc. Hypocrisy is rife in the UK
Red Rick said:Is this gonna affect his wins in LBL and the Giro and stuff when he says that he'd never have won without dope?
Di Luca was 2nd in Lombardia in 99. Won a Giro stage and was second in Pais Vasco the year after.Nick C. said:I noted he said he decided to dope when a guy who he used to beat as an amateur beat him in 2001. I wonder how often, if at all, something like this is the final straw. In baseball the story goes Barry Bonds was beyond PO'd at the adulation Sammy Sosa and Mark McGwire were getting.
Valv.Piti said:Red Rick said:Is this gonna affect his wins in LBL and the Giro and stuff when he says that he'd never have won without dope?
Hopefully not. Stripping wins like that won't exactly encourage former riders to speak out and tell the truth as it it, but I have no clue.
Rasmussen tweeted about Di Luca with a lot of respect. Not that it says much, but those 2 guys know what it takes to win, post Puerto.
Gung Ho Gun said:Di Luca was 2nd in Lombardia in 99. Won a Giro stage and was second in Pais Vasco the year after.Nick C. said:I noted he said he decided to dope when a guy who he used to beat as an amateur beat him in 2001. I wonder how often, if at all, something like this is the final straw. In baseball the story goes Barry Bonds was beyond PO'd at the adulation Sammy Sosa and Mark McGwire were getting.
It took him until 2005 to become noticeably better
I highly doubt he started doping in 2001
Yup. I didn't know his palmares so that slipped right past me. Well, I did notice he was a monster in the Giro in 2005 after not being much of a stage racer before, but still. Live and learn.The Hitch said:Gung Ho Gun said:Di Luca was 2nd in Lombardia in 99. Won a Giro stage and was second in Pais Vasco the year after.Nick C. said:I noted he said he decided to dope when a guy who he used to beat as an amateur beat him in 2001. I wonder how often, if at all, something like this is the final straw. In baseball the story goes Barry Bonds was beyond PO'd at the adulation Sammy Sosa and Mark McGwire were getting.
It took him until 2005 to become noticeably better
I highly doubt he started doping in 2001
Good point
glassmoon said:what's with the Italians and their love for cheaters and liars? I mean... DiLuca, Pantani even Berlusconi.
Red Rick said:Is this gonna affect his wins in LBL and the Giro and stuff when he says that he'd never have won without dope?
MartinGT said:Valv.Piti said:Red Rick said:Is this gonna affect his wins in LBL and the Giro and stuff when he says that he'd never have won without dope?
Hopefully not. Stripping wins like that won't exactly encourage former riders to speak out and tell the truth as it it, but I have no clue.
Rasmussen tweeted about Di Luca with a lot of respect. Not that it says much, but those 2 guys know what it takes to win, post Puerto.
Thats it for me. The flack he has got isnt going to help it come clean. People say's he has shown no remorse. What about the countless other dopers that have shown no remorse. Again more of the BS that if your face doesnt fit.
Nick C. said:Yup. I didn't know his palmares so that slipped right past me. Well, I did notice he was a monster in the Giro in 2005 after not being much of a stage racer before, but still. Live and learn.The Hitch said:Gung Ho Gun said:Di Luca was 2nd in Lombardia in 99. Won a Giro stage and was second in Pais Vasco the year after.Nick C. said:I noted he said he decided to dope when a guy who he used to beat as an amateur beat him in 2001. I wonder how often, if at all, something like this is the final straw. In baseball the story goes Barry Bonds was beyond PO'd at the adulation Sammy Sosa and Mark McGwire were getting.
It took him until 2005 to become noticeably better
I highly doubt he started doping in 2001
Good point
TourOfSardinia said:Not really.glassmoon said:what's with the Italians and their love for cheaters and liars? I mean... DiLuca, Pantani even Berlusconi.
In today's Gazzetta there are 2 pages on cycling
and of that there is space for just one tiny final
about Di Luca's book.
ray j willings said:MartinGT said:StryderHells said:glassmoon said:what's with the Italians and their love for cheaters and liars? I mean... DiLuca, Pantani even Berlusconi.
It's not limited to the Italians so I wouldn't be singling them out, Merckx, Anquetil and so many more are idolized by the fans whilst being dopers so it's not just an Italian thing
Museeuw - Wiggins love in.
It's really f@cked me off the flack DiLuca has got from fanboys of Millar, Wiggins etc. Hypocrisy is rife in the UK
Spot on.
Hypocrisy is rank among posters on here as well. They preach that everyone is doped and that's the only way you can compete and yet they still make moralistic judgements against them. That's hypocrisy.
I have no issues with athletes doping . Their health should be taken care of and things would be a lot better if doping was made legal and "the morons" would stop getting up in arms because of how fast a man rides a cycle or runs a marathon. "Choice" " Freedom" and not to be judged by morons who can't ride a bike up a mountain or cant run a marathon.
StryderHells said:ray j willings said:MartinGT said:StryderHells said:glassmoon said:what's with the Italians and their love for cheaters and liars? I mean... DiLuca, Pantani even Berlusconi.
It's not limited to the Italians so I wouldn't be singling them out, Merckx, Anquetil and so many more are idolized by the fans whilst being dopers so it's not just an Italian thing
Museeuw - Wiggins love in.
It's really f@cked me off the flack DiLuca has got from fanboys of Millar, Wiggins etc. Hypocrisy is rife in the UK
Spot on.
Hypocrisy is rank among posters on here as well. They preach that everyone is doped and that's the only way you can compete and yet they still make moralistic judgements against them. That's hypocrisy.
I have no issues with athletes doping . Their health should be taken care of and things would be a lot better if doping was made legal and "the morons" would stop getting up in arms because of how fast a man rides a cycle or runs a marathon. "Choice" " Freedom" and not to be judged by morons who can't ride a bike up a mountain or cant run a marathon.
But surely doing it all without assistance is better than being on the gear, wanting a proper test of ones physical abilities and not a test of who has the best pharmacist isn't a moralistic judgement made by morons but a perfectly healthy way of looking at life
Fearless Greg Lemond said:Never liked him. He overdid it, always. Over the top doper. Wouldnt even read his book when I got payed for it.
Natural born liar.
Doesnt mean he is sometimes right.