Did Katusha buy Free Doping Ticket 2015 ?

[Echoes]

And how fast were the masses or forumites to point fingers? Very quick and on a rather large scale compared to the conformism or lack of interest with Katusha. That's what I mean by being ''pissed upon'', the lack of interest. Cassandra complex. I'm sorry but I think Katusha's [obvious] team program can rival with that of Sky, they have had hordes of domestiques in race finales where a pletora of leaders had already been dropped.

Hey dear mate, you understand why I claimed that the "official" antidoping battle was only an excuse to consolidate the GT's position/renown at the expense of the other races, or well I'm sure you already kind of agreed . Katusha dominates classics and one-week stage races, who gives a damn? Sky has never won a classic and hardly got any top10 in classics since creation and yet is suspicious.

That's why I'd anyhow come back to my good old "innocent until found guilty" stance. After all, Jean Racine said in one of his plays "There's no secret that time does not reveal". The riders of the nineties have almost all been busted by now. For many of them revelation came after their career or in the last years of their career. Likewise, I'm confident that within 10 or 15 years, we'll now it all about present-day riders, or about most of them, etc. Only many people would have forgotten, but not me, lol. So at this point, I'd just say bravo Mr Zakarin. But if there's a single piece of evidence that proves he's been blood doping, EPO doping, or testosteron, HGH, heavy doping, then I'd be the first to say he should leave for good. So far I'd only say that for Paolini. I mean, as long as you have riders like that in the peloton, for sure, Milan-Sanremo won't be a race of attackers again.

 

[Escarabajo]

Re:

You're both right.

The reason nobody's up in arms is that nobody's coming in here defending Katusha and claiming they're all doing it clean, as everyone pretty much assumes they're dirty.
Meanwhile with Sky we had people coming out of the woodwork pointing fingers and essentially saying 'See? These fine upstanding young clean brits are beating those nasty wog dopers because SCIENCE!'.

When you see **** on the sidewalk, you don't stop and argue about it, you just move on.........unless someone tries to sell it to you as caviar. That's when the yelling starts.

Good way to put it.

 

[PremierAndrew]

The way I see it, it's fairly obvious there's something dodgy at Katusha. That said, they rose incredibly quickly once they employed their current methods, suggesting that most others are clean (or already doping I guess)

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

GuyIncognito pretty much nailed it with that post. Well put.

 

[Echoes]

GT maniacs making fools of themselves. I've never seen anybody with more than two brain cells claim that Sky riders were clean. They can't admit that they are just obsessed with Sky and don't give a damn about classic riders. It's pathetic.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Re:

You're both right.

The reason nobody's up in arms is that nobody's coming in here defending Katusha and claiming they're all doing it clean, as everyone pretty much assumes they're dirty.
Meanwhile with Sky we had people coming out of the woodwork pointing fingers and essentially saying 'See? These fine upstanding young clean brits are beating those nasty wog dopers because SCIENCE!'.

When you see **** on the sidewalk, you don't stop and argue about it, you just move on.........unless someone tries to sell it to you as caviar. That's when the yelling starts.

Wow, first time I've heard this argument, but 'wog dopers' is appallingly xenophobic phrase to use on a public forum, and to put it into the mouths of people who support Sky is unacceptable, but the usual 'anglo vs the rest' tripe that is regularly served up in here.

 

[SeriousSam]

What argument? He's just describing the reality of posting here in the clinic. Purely factual.

Everyone can check out those Sky, Wiggins and Froome threads starting in 2012 and convince himself that there were quite a few posters insisting Brad and Dawg were clean cos marginal gains the lazy dopers hadn't thought of. Though some of them were merely insisting they are on the fence because there is no evidence, as I recall. As that was also a ridiculous position to take, it naturally also contributed to heated discussions.

By contrast, the Katusha thread reveals that no one actually seems to think they are clean, hence the lack of heated and lengthy discussion.

 

[JimmyFingers]

How is that factual? Can you quote a poster using the term 'wog doper'? Or is it just the usual lazy Clinic default argument of why the Sky threads are so popular, completely ignoring the fact that there are loads of posters coming onto to the threads desperate to accuse them. Don't get the mentality of some here, no interest in actual debate or discussion just interested in making their post as aggressively and dismissively as possible: I'm right, you're wrong and to make that clear I'm throw in some insults, racial stereotypes and condescension to make sure it looks like I've won the argument, and if that doesn't work there's a queue of other posters to back you up with something similar.

The language is unacceptable, end of. Telling how many people thought it was a great post.

 

[Netserk]

Telling how you do nothing but what you criticize others for...

 

[JimmyFingers]

Examples of where I use language like that please?

 

[nayr497]

I just wish Kristoff's father in law would have taught him how to level his helmet.

I also guess we know how the Bearded One manages to hang out at the back of the pack all race, then fly to the front, then lead out guys...

 

[JimmyFingers]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wog

Stay classy clinic

but in Britain it remains extremely offensive, somewhat akin to 'n*****'.

 

[the sceptic]

well, at least katusha are clean since there is no evidence so that's good news jimmy.

 

[SeriousSam]

Re:

How is that factual? Can you quote a poster using the term 'wog doper'? Or is it just the usual lazy Clinic default argument of why the Sky threads are so popular, completely ignoring the fact that there are loads of posters coming onto to the threads desperate to accuse them. Don't get the mentality of some here, no interest in actual debate or discussion just interested in making their post as aggressively and dismissively as possible: I'm right, you're wrong and to make that clear I'm throw in some insults, racial stereotypes and condescension to make sure it looks like I've won the argument, and if that doesn't work there's a queue of other posters to back you up with something similar.

The language is unacceptable, end of. Telling how many people thought it was a great post.

Ah, so your complaint was about the snarkiness as opposed to the substance of his post. Got it.

 

[Taxus4a]

Russia is a big country with a lot of people and cycling is not a strange sport there. It is normal they have people as Zakarin, and he looks a real strong rider. He is the new Menchov, but in a new era.
Spilak is a great rider that won Contador in Basque country and started in pros with a top ten in The Ronde. he has sowhed always a higt level when he didnt have to work for another rider, especially with rain.
The same as Purito, he showed after Bio passport that he is one of the best, at least climbing, especially in shor and step climbs but not only.
The coincidence of two or three od thi riders in a Tour increase the posibilities of the team, becouse thay have more riders to play...but that doesnt means any other thing. This will happen again, some time two or three riders from SKy, from Astana, from Movistar, from Kathousa, becouse thay have very good riders, will dominate a Tour, to think that is strange has no sense.

 

[Taxus4a]

Re:

You're both right.

The reason nobody's up in arms is that nobody's coming in here defending Katusha and claiming they're all doing it clean, as everyone pretty much assumes they're dirty.
Meanwhile with Sky we had people coming out of the woodwork pointing fingers and essentially saying 'See? These fine upstanding young clean brits are beating those nasty wog dopers because SCIENCE!'.

When you see **** on the sidewalk, you don't stop and argue about it, you just move on.........unless someone tries to sell it to you as caviar. That's when the yelling starts.

If a team or a rider dope or not doesnt depend on if there are people here defending one thing or another, or if there is a lot of people saying one thing or another.

Most of people that know how is cyling are not interested to write here, they used to be enough bussy to lost his time here, except some people as Vaughters, what is good, but it isn quite useless, becouse people that want always interpretate everything with doping and dont belive cycling had a methamorphosis between 2008 and 2012, a hard, necessary to survive and pridefull methamorphosis, that change the non writted rules of this sport are gping to think that way while a teory suiot his thoughts, and thats always can happend.

People that where wrong while Pantani, Lance, Ulle, , etc... were dominating this sport, didnt know what was happening inside the sport, is the same people that now is again pretending to know what happend and talk assergting as if they have the only true, when facts suit perfectly with an era with just excepcional and individual doping.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Thank fkc for ignore.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Taxus, do you proofread your posts? Might want to start doing that as they are becoming illegible.
Edit: I don't mean grammar issues of course, just the typos

 

[Netserk]

So all those who think the sport is dirty now, thought back in the 90's that the sport was clean?

 

[The Hitch]

Re:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wog

Stay classy clinic

but in Britain it remains extremely offensive, somewhat akin to 'n*****'.

Wow, what a pathetically desperate attempt at playing the victim card.

Must be crap to spend your time on this forum reading through post after post about how your favourite team is doping, not being able to respond because you have no arguments, but scanning for these single words you might be able to one day use to try and accuse everyone of being racist.

Little tip, if you want to save time you could just use a sockpuppet, make the sockpuppet appear rational and anti doping, then eventually post something offensive. Then you will be able to go back to your jimmy fingers account and post your fake indignation and your usual crap about how this proves the whole clinic apart from yourself is racist (a rather ironic accusation though seeing as how you are one of the few people who judges whether people dope or not on where they come from)

 

[frenchfry]

Re: Re:

You're both right.

The reason nobody's up in arms is that nobody's coming in here defending Katusha and claiming they're all doing it clean, as everyone pretty much assumes they're dirty.
Meanwhile with Sky we had people coming out of the woodwork pointing fingers and essentially saying 'See? These fine upstanding young clean brits are beating those nasty wog dopers because SCIENCE!'.

When you see **** on the sidewalk, you don't stop and argue about it, you just move on.........unless someone tries to sell it to you as caviar. That's when the yelling starts.

Wow, first time I've heard this argument, but 'wog dopers' is appallingly xenophobic phrase to use on a public forum, and to put it into the mouths of people who support Sky is unacceptable, but the usual 'anglo vs the rest' tripe that is regularly served up in here.

As a "wog", I take no offence to the use of that term.

 

[sniper]

Re: Re:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wog

Stay classy clinic

but in Britain it remains extremely offensive, somewhat akin to 'n*****'.

Wow, what a pathetically desperate attempt at playing the victim card.

Must be crap to spend your time on this forum reading through post after post about how your favourite team is doping, not being able to respond because you have no arguments, but scanning for these single words you might be able to one day use to try and accuse everyone of being racist.

Little tip, if you want to save time you could just use a sockpuppet, make the sockpuppet appear rational and anti doping, then eventually post something offensive. Then you will be able to go back to your jimmy fingers account and post your fake indignation and your usual crap about how this proves the whole clinic apart from yourself is racist (a rather ironic accusation though seeing as how you are one of the few people who judges whether people dope or not on where they come from)

plus Juan.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Re: Re:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wog

Stay classy clinic

but in Britain it remains extremely offensive, somewhat akin to 'n*****'.

Wow, what a pathetically desperate attempt at playing the victim card.

Must be crap to spend your time on this forum reading through post after post about how your favourite team is doping, not being able to respond because you have no arguments, but scanning for these single words you might be able to one day use to try and accuse everyone of being racist.

Little tip, if you want to save time you could just use a sockpuppet, make the sockpuppet appear rational and anti doping, then eventually post something offensive. Then you will be able to go back to your jimmy fingers account and post your fake indignation and your usual crap about how this proves the whole clinic apart from yourself is racist (a rather ironic accusation though seeing as how you are one of the few people who judges whether people dope or not on where they come from)

Oh do shut up

 

[Netserk]

Always nice to read your great contributions to the forum...

 

[JimmyFingers]

As I do yours. However when someone says so ludicrous and full of bile there's zero point engaging the brain to address any of his pathetic points. Goes for you too.