Dimension Data

[kwikki]

Dimension data have just won two out of three tour stages. Whatever Cookson's role as DS involves he is probably not an impediment.

 

[King Boonen]

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Dimension data have just won two out of three tour stages. Whatever Cookson's role as DS involves he is probably not an impediment.

I could have DS'd those stages. If you don't know then you can just say that.

 

[kwikki]

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Dimension data have just won two out of three tour stages. Whatever Cookson's role as DS involves he is probably not an impediment.

I could have DS'd those stages.

From your armchair?

I didn't respond to your question because I think you've made some assumptions about Cookson's role. He's the "Performance and Technical Partner Manager" for DD. What that means, I don't know, but it doesn't sound like a seat in the Team car to me.

He's come off the back of 5 seasons with a team that won 3 grand tours (amongst other races). I would imagine that would equip him quite well for a career move....which is what it is.

 

[sniper]

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If his son does not benefit over and above other people in the same position then it's not a CoI.

here i think you're wrong, imo.
Definition of CoI:
"a situation in which a person is in a position to derive personal benefit from actions or decisions made in their official capacity." (my emphasis).
Cookson is in that position, objectively. Iow, going by that definition, the CoI is a fact. Whether he actually abuses it to his or his son's benefit is another question.

One worrying part for me is that Cookson denies it ("I don't believe it's a conflict of interest"), which is (a) not up to him to decide and (b) a plain falsehood; the CoI is an objective state of affairs.

In essence you are saying that the president of the UCI has a CoI doing his job

As long as antidoping and antimotor legislation falls under his responsibility, yes. Clearly. But here I'm talking about a shipload of *additional* conflicts of interest (Oliver, Van Zyl), which Cookson could avoid, even if antidoping isnt indepenedent.

Passing intel is not a CoI, it's against the rules.

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point taken.

 

[King Boonen]

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Dimension data have just won two out of three tour stages. Whatever Cookson's role as DS involves he is probably not an impediment.

I could have DS'd those stages.

From your armchair?

I didn't respond to your question because I think you've made some assumptions about Cookson's role. He's the "Performance and Technical Partner Manager" for DD. What that means, I don't know, but it doesn't sound like a seat in the Team car to me.

He's come off the back of 5 seasons with a team that won 3 grand tours (amongst other races). I would imagine that would equip him quite well for a career move....which is what it is.

Yes, they'd have to pay my mobile bill though.

He was hired by Sky, specifically to bridge the gap between the technical support and the Hispanic riders, which I'm guessing must come in handy when talking to Cavendish, Eisel, Renshaw, EBH etc...

I'm sure Cavendishs performances at Sky made DD desperate to hire Cookson.

 

[kwikki]

Here's what Cavendish had to say about yesterday's win:

" I've got to say that Roger [Hammond] got the tactics spot on. What's even better was that the guys executed it really well."

So, that tells us that there were DS tactics employed, and that Cavendish views them as enough of a contributory factor in his win to merit mentioning them.

It doesn't tell us what role Cookson had, if any, nor whether your DS skills are as good as Hammond's. :razz:

 

[PremierAndrew]

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How does his son working for Dimension Data present a conflict of interest when deciding what pens to buy for Aigle?


Oh, I'm still waiting for someone to explain why supposedly doped riders riding on doped teams were rubbish (compared to expected performances) but are now good because of doping?

Maybe EBH used different substances at Sky, to which he didn't respond well, whereas now he's using something at DD that he responds well to.

But I doubt that the team itself is running some sort of program, more likely to be riders doping themselves

 

[kwikki]

So a team wins a couple of stages and so now it's "they must be doping" , because they won a couple of stages.

(Keep this to yourself...they are all doping )

 

[King Boonen]

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Here's what Cavendish had to say about yesterday's win:

" I've got to say that Roger [Hammond] got the tactics spot on. What's even better was that the guys executed it really well."

So, that tells us that there were DS tactics employed, and that Cavendish views them as enough of a contributory factor in his win to merit mentioning them.

It doesn't tell us what role Cookson had, if any, nor whether your DS skills are as good as Hammond's. :razz:

So Oliver Cookson's qualifications at Sky have no use at DD and we can't find anything telling us what he actually does and whether he is qualified to do it. I certainly think that warrants a few questions.

Hammonds DS skills are orders of magnitude better than mine.

 

[King Boonen]

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How does his son working for Dimension Data present a conflict of interest when deciding what pens to buy for Aigle?


Oh, I'm still waiting for someone to explain why supposedly doped riders riding on doped teams were rubbish (compared to expected performances) but are now good because of doping?

Maybe EBH used different substances at Sky, to which he didn't respond well, whereas now he's using something at DD that he responds well to.

But I doubt that the team itself is running some sort of program, more likely to be riders doping themselves

So Sky switched both Cavendish and EBH off successful programs, found they didn't work and kept them on them? Then Cavendish went to QS and they kept him on the same stuff? Or the riders did that themselves. Sorry, doesn't make sense.

 

[kwikki]

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Here's what Cavendish had to say about yesterday's win:

" I've got to say that Roger [Hammond] got the tactics spot on. What's even better was that the guys executed it really well."

So, that tells us that there were DS tactics employed, and that Cavendish views them as enough of a contributory factor in his win to merit mentioning them.

It doesn't tell us what role Cookson had, if any, nor whether your DS skills are as good as Hammond's. :razz:

So Oliver Cookson's qualifications at Sky have no use at D.

Says who? How on earth can you come to that conclusion when you then go on to say that you have no idea what his job at DD involves.

 

[King Boonen]

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Here's what Cavendish had to say about yesterday's win:

" I've got to say that Roger [Hammond] got the tactics spot on. What's even better was that the guys executed it really well."

So, that tells us that there were DS tactics employed, and that Cavendish views them as enough of a contributory factor in his win to merit mentioning them.

It doesn't tell us what role Cookson had, if any, nor whether your DS skills are as good as Hammond's. :razz:

So Oliver Cookson's qualifications at Sky have no use at D.

Says who? How on earth can you come to that conclusion when you then go on to say that you have no idea what his job at DD involves.

Easily. It's where I show you why Sky hired him (my reference to his qualifications at Sky) and pointed out that these are basically useless at DD, unless they think their future is Anton and Fraile.

http://cyclingtips.com/2014/04/rocacorba-daily-211/

"La Gazzetta reports that the UCI President, Brian Cookson’s son Oliver Cookson has signed a four year contract with Team SKY as “Performance Co-ordinator”. Cookson has previously worked in Spain and speaks Spanish, and he says that his role is to “bridge between the technical staff and the Hispanic riders.”"

All those Hispanic riders at DD must need an interpreter after-all...

 

[gladster]

Lefebvre said yesterday that Cavendish did not have the speed last year that he's showing now. That's why they disposed of him, and also why the African team was basically the only option. Anyone's suspicion of drug use would be roused just by Dish's sudden success after a couple of years of almost ludricously bad performances. That Dimension Data has dirty hands is no surprise.

 

[kwikki]

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Here's what Cavendish had to say about yesterday's win:

" I've got to say that Roger [Hammond] got the tactics spot on. What's even better was that the guys executed it really well."

So, that tells us that there were DS tactics employed, and that Cavendish views them as enough of a contributory factor in his win to merit mentioning them.

It doesn't tell us what role Cookson had, if any, nor whether your DS skills are as good as Hammond's. :razz:

So Oliver Cookson's qualifications at Sky have no use at D.

Says who? How on earth can you come to that conclusion when you then go on to say that you have no idea what his job at DD involves.

Easily. It's where I show you why Sky hired him (my reference to his qualifications at Sky) and pointed out that these are basically useless at DD, unless they think their future is Anton and Fraile.

http://cyclingtips.com/2014/04/rocacorba-daily-211/

"La Gazzetta reports that the UCI President, Brian Cookson’s son Oliver Cookson has signed a four year contract with Team SKY as “Performance Co-ordinator”. Cookson has previously worked in Spain and speaks Spanish, and he says that his role is to “bridge between the technical staff and the Hispanic riders.”"

All those Hispanic riders at DD must need an interpreter after-all...

Ah, so if it's not on the Internet it doesnt exist....

So if a report says that Cookson was employed for his ability to bridge between technical staff and Spanish riders that means that it is his ONLY ability and qualification.

M'kay.

 

[Chaddy]

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Lefebvre said yesterday that Cavendish did not have the speed last year that he's showing now. That's why they disposed of him, and also why the African team was basically the only option. Anyone's suspicion of drug use would be roused just by Dish's sudden success after a couple of years of almost ludricously bad performances. That Dimension Data has dirty hands is no surprise.

Simple, the extra training he's been doing on the track for the Olympics is paying dividends

 

[King Boonen]

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Ah, so if it's not on the Internet it doesnt exist....

So if a report says that Cookson was employed for his ability to bridge between technical staff and Spanish riders that means that it is his ONLY ability and qualification.

M'kay.

Yes. If you hadn't edited out the pertinent parts of my post that you quoted:

So Oliver Cookson's qualifications at Sky have no use at DD and we can't find anything telling us what he actually does and whether he is qualified to do it. I certainly think that warrants a few questions.

I would say it certainly does warrant a few questions. Working at the most PR savvy team in the peloton (getting the job a few months after Brian Cookson became the president it would seem) and all we can see online is that he speaks Spanish but is now a DS and "Performance and Technical Partner Manager".

Cavendish winning GT stages is hardly evidence of anything, certainly nothing new, but I certainly think the Oliver Cookson questions are at least valid.

 

[kwikki]

I didn't edit out pertinent points, I demonstrated that you'd drawn a conclusion that cannot be drawn.

 

[thehog]

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Here's what Cavendish had to say about yesterday's win:

" I've got to say that Roger [Hammond] got the tactics spot on. What's even better was that the guys executed it really well."

So, that tells us that there were DS tactics employed, and that Cavendish views them as enough of a contributory factor in his win to merit mentioning them.

It doesn't tell us what role Cookson had, if any, nor whether your DS skills are as good as Hammond's. :razz:

So Oliver Cookson's qualifications at Sky have no use at D.

Says who? How on earth can you come to that conclusion when you then go on to say that you have no idea what his job at DD involves.

Easily. It's where I show you why Sky hired him (my reference to his qualifications at Sky) and pointed out that these are basically useless at DD, unless they think their future is Anton and Fraile.

http://cyclingtips.com/2014/04/rocacorba-daily-211/

"La Gazzetta reports that the UCI President, Brian Cookson’s son Oliver Cookson has signed a four year contract with Team SKY as “Performance Co-ordinator”. Cookson has previously worked in Spain and speaks Spanish, and he says that his role is to “bridge between the technical staff and the Hispanic riders.”"

All those Hispanic riders at DD must need an interpreter after-all...

Yes, they need someone to order the coffees in English :lol:

 

[King Boonen]

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I didn't edit out pertinent points, I demonstrated that you'd drawn a conclusion that cannot be drawn.

No, you didn't demonstrate that. We can only decide things based on the facts that are available. I can find absolutely nothing about OC's qualifications other than that he speaks Spanish. That's clearly not much use to DD. Lets compare that to everyone else in the health and performance staff at DD:

Rolf Aldag - Assuming I don't need to?
Jens Zemke - ex racer, ex HTC DS
Alex Sans Vega - Ex Cervelo DS, Ex Endura DS
Dr. Jarrad van Zuydam - Team Doctor - seems self explanatory
Trevor Court - An actual cycling coach.
Dr. Jonathan Baker - Academic doctor and qualified cycling coach
Mattia Michelusi - another actual coach
Dr. Carol Austin - another coach associated with ActiveWorx and a doctor
Jean-Pierre Heynderickx - Another ex racer
Roger Hammond - again, guessing I don't need to.
Dr. Adrian Rotunno - Team Doctor - seems self explanatory
Dr. Dirk Tenner - Team Doctor - seems self explanatory
Dr Stacy Sims - another academic. Environmental Exercise Physiologist and Nutrition Scientist specializing in thermoregulation, hydration, performance nutrition, and sex differences in athletes, implementing strategies to improve performance outcomes and overall health

Every single one is obviously qualified and can be found in 5 seconds. I wouldn't question the employment of any of them based on their experience.

Then we have Oliver Cookson. Who speaks Spanish. As I said, the questions are valid.

 

[kwikki]

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I didn't edit out pertinent points, I demonstrated that you'd drawn a conclusion that cannot be drawn.

No, you didn't demonstrate that. We can only decide things based on the facts that are available. I can find absolutely nothing about OC's qualifications other than that he speaks Spanish. That's clearly not much use to DD. Lets compare that to everyone else in the health and performance staff at DD:

Rolf Aldag - Assuming I don't need to?
Jens Zemke - ex racer, ex HTC DS
Alex Sans Vega - Ex Cervelo DS, Ex Endura DS
Dr. Jarrad van Zuydam - Team Doctor - seems self explanatory
Trevor Court - An actual cycling coach.
Dr. Jonathan Baker - Academic doctor and qualified cycling coach
Mattia Michelusi - another actual coach
Dr. Carol Austin - another coach associated with ActiveWorx and a doctor
Jean-Pierre Heynderickx - Another ex racer
Roger Hammond - again, guessing I don't need to.
Dr. Adrian Rotunno - Team Doctor - seems self explanatory
Dr. Dirk Tenner - Team Doctor - seems self explanatory
Dr Stacy Sims - another academic. Environmental Exercise Physiologist and Nutrition Scientist specializing in thermoregulation, hydration, performance nutrition, and sex differences in athletes, implementing strategies to improve performance outcomes and overall health

Every single one is obviously qualified and can be found in 5 seconds. I wouldn't question the employment of any of them based on their experience.

Then we have Oliver Cookson. Who speaks Spanish. As I said, the questions are valid.

I guarantee that if I give you my details you won't be able to find out anything about me.

Does that mean I don't exist?

 

[King Boonen]

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I didn't edit out pertinent points, I demonstrated that you'd drawn a conclusion that cannot be drawn.

No, you didn't demonstrate that. We can only decide things based on the facts that are available. I can find absolutely nothing about OC's qualifications other than that he speaks Spanish. That's clearly not much use to DD. Lets compare that to everyone else in the health and performance staff at DD:

Rolf Aldag - Assuming I don't need to?
Jens Zemke - ex racer, ex HTC DS
Alex Sans Vega - Ex Cervelo DS, Ex Endura DS
Dr. Jarrad van Zuydam - Team Doctor - seems self explanatory
Trevor Court - An actual cycling coach.
Dr. Jonathan Baker - Academic doctor and qualified cycling coach
Mattia Michelusi - another actual coach
Dr. Carol Austin - another coach associated with ActiveWorx and a doctor
Jean-Pierre Heynderickx - Another ex racer
Roger Hammond - again, guessing I don't need to.
Dr. Adrian Rotunno - Team Doctor - seems self explanatory
Dr. Dirk Tenner - Team Doctor - seems self explanatory
Dr Stacy Sims - another academic. Environmental Exercise Physiologist and Nutrition Scientist specializing in thermoregulation, hydration, performance nutrition, and sex differences in athletes, implementing strategies to improve performance outcomes and overall health

Every single one is obviously qualified and can be found in 5 seconds. I wouldn't question the employment of any of them based on their experience.

Then we have Oliver Cookson. Who speaks Spanish. As I said, the questions are valid.

I guarantee that if I give you my details you won't be able to find out anything about me.

Does that mean I don't exist?

And I guarantee if I gave you mine you could find out lots about me, but that's clearly irrelevant, neither of us are the Performance and Partner manager at a World Tour team. Performance Manager, as in, in charge of all those people whose qualifications CAN be easily found.

 

[kwikki]

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I didn't edit out pertinent points, I demonstrated that you'd drawn a conclusion that cannot be drawn.

No, you didn't demonstrate that. We can only decide things based on the facts that are available. I can find absolutely nothing about OC's qualifications other than that he speaks Spanish. That's clearly not much use to DD. Lets compare that to everyone else in the health and performance staff at DD:

Rolf Aldag - Assuming I don't need to?
Jens Zemke - ex racer, ex HTC DS
Alex Sans Vega - Ex Cervelo DS, Ex Endura DS
Dr. Jarrad van Zuydam - Team Doctor - seems self explanatory
Trevor Court - An actual cycling coach.
Dr. Jonathan Baker - Academic doctor and qualified cycling coach
Mattia Michelusi - another actual coach
Dr. Carol Austin - another coach associated with ActiveWorx and a doctor
Jean-Pierre Heynderickx - Another ex racer
Roger Hammond - again, guessing I don't need to.
Dr. Adrian Rotunno - Team Doctor - seems self explanatory
Dr. Dirk Tenner - Team Doctor - seems self explanatory
Dr Stacy Sims - another academic. Environmental Exercise Physiologist and Nutrition Scientist specializing in thermoregulation, hydration, performance nutrition, and sex differences in athletes, implementing strategies to improve performance outcomes and overall health

Every single one is obviously qualified and can be found in 5 seconds. I wouldn't question the employment of any of them based on their experience.

Then we have Oliver Cookson. Who speaks Spanish. As I said, the questions are valid.

I guarantee that if I give you my details you won't be able to find out anything about me.

Does that mean I don't exist?

And I guarantee if I gave you mine you could find out lots about me, but that's clearly irrelevant, neither of us are the Performance and Partner manager at a World Tour team. Performance Manager, as in, in charge of all those people whose qualifications CAN be easily found.

At least you bothered to look at DD'S website to find Cookson's job title. Unlike Sniper, who's lazy go ogling lead him to promote Cookson to Directeur Sportif.

So, what does a Performance and Technical Partner Manager actually do? Surely in order to comment on whether Cookson is qualified to do the job you'd have to know what the job is, yes?

Your inability to discover what the job is has no bearing in anything.

 

[sniper]

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Maybe EBH used different substances at Sky, to which he didn't respond well, whereas now he's using something at DD that he responds well to.

everybody responds well to a motor

But I doubt that the team itself is running some sort of program, more likely to be riders doping themselves

the best 'program' these days is to buy guys who are 'too good to fail', which basically means riders from growing markets, i.e. as many anglophones as possible, some germans, some south africans, and the president's son as a nice insurance.

 

[sniper]

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Yes, they need someone to order the coffees in English :lol:

lol. muchas gracias, espanol.

very well argued by Kingboonen, btw.

 

[sniper]

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I didn't edit out pertinent points, I demonstrated that you'd drawn a conclusion that cannot be drawn.

No, you didn't demonstrate that. We can only decide things based on the facts that are available. I can find absolutely nothing about OC's qualifications other than that he speaks Spanish. That's clearly not much use to DD. Lets compare that to everyone else in the health and performance staff at DD:

Rolf Aldag - Assuming I don't need to?
Jens Zemke - ex racer, ex HTC DS
Alex Sans Vega - Ex Cervelo DS, Ex Endura DS
Dr. Jarrad van Zuydam - Team Doctor - seems self explanatory
Trevor Court - An actual cycling coach.
Dr. Jonathan Baker - Academic doctor and qualified cycling coach
Mattia Michelusi - another actual coach
Dr. Carol Austin - another coach associated with ActiveWorx and a doctor
Jean-Pierre Heynderickx - Another ex racer
Roger Hammond - again, guessing I don't need to.
Dr. Adrian Rotunno - Team Doctor - seems self explanatory
Dr. Dirk Tenner - Team Doctor - seems self explanatory
Dr Stacy Sims - another academic. Environmental Exercise Physiologist and Nutrition Scientist specializing in thermoregulation, hydration, performance nutrition, and sex differences in athletes, implementing strategies to improve performance outcomes and overall health

Every single one is obviously qualified and can be found in 5 seconds. I wouldn't question the employment of any of them based on their experience.

Then we have Oliver Cookson. Who speaks Spanish. As I said, the questions are valid.

I'm cracking up!
well done.

Dr. Dirk Tenner might be an interesting name here.
He's from Koeln and used to be (is?) head of a special medical unit of the German Athletics Federation, specializing in sports medicine and clinical surgery.
I'm assuming Aldag and/or Zemke brought him in.

Carol Austin from Activeworx, is she family of Barry Austin?

And like every decent procycling team DD too has at least one pseudo-scientist in the ranks.
Introducing Dr. Adrian Rotunno, author of
"Does fasting during Ramadan affect your athletic performance?"
"Can dark chocolate improve your cycling performance?"