Dimension Data

[kwikki]

Laugh it up.

Cookson had an administrative role at Sky. Now you don't know what his new role is at DD but you are saying that he isn't qualified for whatever this role is that you don't know about.

Well argued, indeed.

 

[noddy69]

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good idea.
let's lower our standards even further.
for the sake of the Cookson family.

Do you suggest that Mr Cookson Jr cannot work on a cycling team because his father is President of the UCI ?
Or do you suggest Mr Cookson Snr step down because he has a son working within a cycling team ?

Whatever issues cycling has with cheating doesn't mean that you throw reason out the window. I'm open to the fact motors are being used. I'm open to the fact near on every team is cheating and I don't particularly like it. However just because you don't perceive Snr as being able for the job he is in and see him and Jr as part of the problem you cant call conflict of interest just because they are related in the sporting world. That would open the floodgates in all industries and with all due respect is farcical based on nothing.
Now if there are recordings/emails anything to suggest otherwise fair enough but I don't see anything here and its unfair.
I'm not suggesting Jr or senior are clean of wrongdoing and DD aren't on bread and water that's for sure and generally agree with lots of posts but on this you are reaching a little far and not on(until proven of course)

 

[yespatterns]

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Do you suggest that Mr Cookson Jr cannot work on a cycling team because his father is President of the UCI ?
Or do you suggest Mr Cookson Snr step down because he has a son working within a cycling team ?

 

[Mr.38%]

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Dr. Dirk Tenner might be an interesting name here.
He's from Koeln and used to be (is?) head of a special medical unit of the German Athletics Federation, specializing in sports medicine and clinical surgery.
I'm assuming Aldag and/or Zemke brought him in.

Hahaha, hilarious. Dirk is an orthopedist from my town. The guy has huge amounts of experience with cyclists, he helped me with certain issues in hip and legs where other docters were clueless. He helped dozens of my friends, teammates and fellow riders. He gives advice to many professional riders in my area incl. Gerald and Andy.

While regular orthopedists are usually fast with cortisone injections because it's fast and helps Joe Average quickly, he gives stretching advice and works with people like Oliver from Solestar.

Frindly chap and awesome in what he does.

Internet research brings up a lot of crap apparently or leads to crappy assumptions.

 

[Benotti69]

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Dr. Dirk Tenner might be an interesting name here.
He's from Koeln and used to be (is?) head of a special medical unit of the German Athletics Federation, specializing in sports medicine and clinical surgery.
I'm assuming Aldag and/or Zemke brought him in.

Hahaha, hilarious. Dirk is an orthopedist from my town. The guy has huge amounts of experience with cyclists, he helped me with certain issues in hip and legs where other docters were clueless. He helped dozens of my friends, teammates and fellow riders. He gives advice to many professional riders in my area incl. Gerald and Andy.

While regular orthopedists are usually fast with cortisone injections because it's fast and helps Joe Average quickly, he gives stretching advice and works with people like Oliver from Solestar.

Frindly chap and awesome in what he does.

Internet research brings up a lot of crap apparently or leads to crappy assumptions.

It alleged all the doctors banned from sport are friendly, but hey cant be true, they have to be evil.

 

[veganrob]

Oh yeah, they are all very nice people. They say good morning, they don't kick their dog.

 

[Mr.38%]

Yeah! And everyone - especially someone with a degree - involved in pro cycling is an enabler, facilitator and keeps a secret Mr. Hyde in the cabinet. It's so obivious, "doping doctor" is an alliteration for a reason!!

 

[sniper]

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Yeah! And everyone - especially someone with a degree - involved in pro cycling is an enabler, facilitator and keeps a secret Mr. Hyde in the cabinet. It's so obivious, "doping doctor" is an alliteration for a reason!!

Why this 'doping only' view of things?
The World Tour doesn't accept doping. The culture has changed, and doping enablers quickly get ousted from the peloton. Therefore, when DD got their license, I think it's plausible to assume that Aldag and Hammond (both of whom rode clean throughout their carreers) went looking for a zero-tolerance cycling doc.
And so they ended up with Dr. Dirk Tenner from Cologne, who also works for the German Athletics Federation, a Federation know for their strong antidoping stance.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Lefebvre said yesterday that Cavendish did not have the speed last year that he's showing now. That's why they disposed of him, and also why the African team was basically the only option. Anyone's suspicion of drug use would be roused just by Dish's sudden success after a couple of years of almost ludricously bad performances. That Dimension Data has dirty hands is no surprise.

That's simply not true. At no point was Cav any worse than '3rd best sprinter in the world'

 

[Mr.38%]

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Yeah! And everyone - especially someone with a degree - involved in pro cycling is an enabler, facilitator and keeps a secret Mr. Hyde in the cabinet. It's so obivious, "doping doctor" is an alliteration for a reason!!

Why this 'doping only' view of things?
The World Tour doesn't accept doping. The culture has changed, and doping enablers quickly get ousted from the peloton. Therefore, when DD got their license, I think it's plausible to assume that Aldag and Hammond (both of whom rode clean throughout their carreers) went looking for a zero-tolerance cycling doc.
And so they ended up with Dr. Dirk Tenner from Cologne, who also works for the German Athletics Federation, a Federation know for their strong antidoping stance.

Exactly! Just like anyone in the car business that is inheritely criminal and corrupt, from the guy at the assembly line to the sales person is a criminal. Sales people a corrupt, everybody knows. Fact.

I ride for the German Federation, a federation that has a history of doping scandals, I must be a doper, too. That's a fact!

 

[Pantani Attacks]

Damn Cav back at it again with the thermo nuclear full *** alien juice. Chapeau

 

[70kmph]

Haha Cavendish

 

[Kender]

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Damn Cav back at it again with the thermo nuclear full *** alien juice. Chapeau

or maybe he just raced smarter than everyone else? that's what it looked like to me.

 

[kielbasa]

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Damn Cav back at it again with the thermo nuclear full *** alien juice. Chapeau

or maybe he just raced smarter than everyone else? that's what it looked like to me.

Yeah, he wised up again after taking some time off.

 

[WillemS]

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Damn Cav back at it again with the thermo nuclear full *** alien juice. Chapeau

or maybe he just raced smarter than everyone else? that's what it looked like to me.

To be able to race smarter, you have to be able to race smarter. One way to do that is to make sure you fitter than everyone else. Also, his placement wasn't even perfect, he was far off today and was lucky the Kittel train made it back to the front. To be able to pull a sprint like that after being caught that far from the front is amazing, especially as Cavendish seemed to sprint backwards relative to the other guys in the previous season.

 

[May0maniac]

The HTC reunion thing seems to work, Peter Velits should sign with them ASAP.

 

[The Hitch]

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Damn Cav back at it again with the thermo nuclear full *** alien juice. Chapeau

or maybe he just raced smarter than everyone else? that's what it looked like to me.

To be able to race smarter, you have to be able to race smarter. One way to do that is to make sure you fitter than everyone else. Also, his placement wasn't even perfect, he was far off today and was lucky the Kittel train made it back to the front. To be able to pull a sprint like that after being caught that far from the front is amazing, especially as Cavendish seemed to sprint backwards relative to the other guys in the previous season.

No, no you don't understand.

Cycling has nothing to do with fitness or strength or any physical qualities for that matter.

Since 2012, when something called "tactics" were invented it is only the riders who race smart who win.

That's why doping no longer exists. Science and tactics have taken their place

 

[42x16ss]

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Damn Cav back at it again with the thermo nuclear full *** alien juice. Chapeau

or maybe he just raced smarter than everyone else? that's what it looked like to me.

Riiiiiiiiiiiight, Cav just "forgot" how to race for a few years....

 

[sniper]

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The HTC reunion thing seems to work, Peter Velits should sign with them ASAP.

 

[sniper]

 

[sniper]

With Luca Scinto in Quarrata, 2013

 

[sniper]

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2009/may/10/mark-cavendish-tour-de-france-interview

It is hard to imagine a more determined sportsman. In recent times, he [Frodo] has become friendly with Lance Armstrong – they met in Las Vegas last September through Cavendish's Columbia-Highroad team-mate George Hincapie and "The Boss" tweeted "cool kid" after his San Remo win.

So this guy is now coached by Oliver, son of UCI president Brian Cookson.
No irony there at all. We're not at all being taken for fools. Pssshh. Nahh.

 

[pastronef]

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and so?

 

[pastronef]

Haha Cavendish

again. you cant hug your directeur sportif after a stage win?

 

[pastronef]

I guess Chavanel who got a pat on the back from Lance on Luz Ardiden 2003 is in your black book since then, no?