Does Basso's Vuelta Performance Confirm his Doping at 2006 Giro?

[Race Radio]

No you're confusing me with BanProCycling. My user name is British Pro Cycling - it has nothing to with banning cycling. How stupid would that be? All I am doing it talking about the issues. That guy must have been a troll that never talked about the subject and just went around swearing and insulting people. If he did that then he deserved to get banned.

Not surprising that you are lying again.

 

[Anonymous]

Not surprising that you are lying again.

Ding Dong, the witch is dead...(at least for a couple of hours)

 

[British Pro Cycling]

Ding Dong, the witch is dead...(at least for a couple of hours)

I get the feeling somebody really doesn't want me here. I have to wonder why that is.

 

[British Pro Cycling]

It seems as soon as Armstrong is mentioned up pops somebody to delete all of my posts. It's almost as if somebody is trying to send me the message that this is an anti Armstrong propaganda forum, so counter opinions are not welcome.

Can that really be the case? On Cycling news?

 

[British Pro Cycling]

It would be nice to have a reason from the mods. Just one little reason. Wouldn't that at least be polite?

 

[British Pro Cycling]

I can change my username if it offends you?

 

[British Pro Cycling]

I've worked out that it's only this part of the site I get deleted from, so I can only conclude that there is a cycling news policy that you can only play up the use of dope in the clinic or you get deleted. That's sad because I believe these things should be thrashed out and debated. But that's life I suppose - if RaceRadio and TFF want to engage in circular conversation then so be it, but I hope they know that it's not a level playing field since nobody is allowed to disagree with them. Have fun with that.

 

[Oldman]

I was thinking of this quote after Basso failed to even make the Vuelta podium. Couldnt remember which magazine I read it in but the question is. Does Basso have any credibility? I think he might actually be clean-er this season.

Cleaner and more real in his performances. He rode the high mountains and appeared "normal"-not Menchov disappearing normal, but normal. I don't know that it proves anything except everyone's levels have become more stable. For the time being, anyway.

 

[Mellow Velo]

It is unfortunate for cycling that Valverde and Basso were competing in the Vuelta. Really bad PR for the Spanish and Italian peleton.
Wrong message etc.
The haters of Lance, well good. You all have the right. I know that you know the science and the labs and Greg.
Thing is Lance promotes cycling, he is popular,, his cause and he is inspirational.
Lance has every reason not to be a fraud and I respectfully disagree with the haters you slam Lance you slam cycling. He, Contador and Schleck are the main men.
Be that as it may I have gut reactions about certain individuals but I can not be a hater. Takes way to much energy.

The word is peloton, not peleton, which sounds more like an overweight Brazilian soccer/football player.

Armstrong may be popular with you and your ilk, but that doesn't make him as popular as Valverde, in Spain and Basso, in Italy.
Since both of these countries have tens times the number of cycling fans, than the US, that puts Lance in the minority.

Using gut feelings, is another way of saying you pick and choose who is dirty, subjectively; no evidence required.
That is THE definition of a hater/lover. Albeit an apathetic one, except where LA is concerned.
You also appear not to believe in rehabilitaion.
So I take it you think Hamilton and Landis should have been given a life ban?

A further pointer to Basso riding clean, at the moment, is the fact that he rode both Grand Tours at a very similar level, without every showing exceptional peaks or troughs.

 

[Cobblestones]

He won the 2006 Giro by 13 minutes.

Now he is having trouble keeping up with watered down fields in the 3rd grand tour.

Does this all but confirm that he was doped to the gills in 2006?

I don't think it proves that he was doping. A rider can have a bad performance for all kinds of reasons. It's sloppy thinking to say: "look he was good then and he sucks now, so he must have been doped then and is clean now." However, under the circumstances (OP, Birillo, the ban etc. whatnot) I think it is pretty safe to say that in his case, when he won the Giro, he was doped to the gills and now he's riding very much cleaner.

 

[flicker]

Back in the day!

Yes I think Ivan was clean in the Vuelta. He felt good sensations in his legs. Way to go Ivan. Excellent come back from his undeserved 2 year suspension.

 

[BikeCentric]

Yes I think Ivan was clean in the Vuelta. He felt good sensations in his legs. Way to go Ivan. Excellent come back from his undeserved 2 year suspension.

Undeserved? LOL, stop trolling. Ivan admitted to "attempting to dope" which, even in the lenient eyes of the UCI is worthy of a suspension. And beyond this public admission we have quite a lot of circumstantial evidence from Operation Puerto that he was doping. So please stop with this "undeserved" garbage.

 

[Race Radio]

Yes I think Ivan was clean in the Vuelta. He felt good sensations in his legs. Way to go Ivan. Excellent come back from his undeserved 2 year suspension.

"Undeserved 2 year suspension"?

So it is ok to blood dope?

 

[British Pro Cycling]

Thanks for the picture of a blood bag, Race. That really brings it home.

 

[British Pro Cycling]

Most riders use the teddy bear one...

 

[Anonymous]

Thanks for the picture of a blood bag, Race. That really brings it home.

Fellas, what we got here is Stage 3 Syphilis...

Oh well, turned you in again. Dang, you are approaching Flyer/House status here. In fact, you have to be one or the other.

 

[British Pro Cycling]

Fellas, what we got here is Stage 3 Syphilis...

Oh well, turned you in again. Dang, you are approaching Flyer/House status here. In fact, you have to be one or the other.

Yes its important to tell that moderator about the nasty troll who disagrees with you. We can't have you getting all upset by seeing someone not toeing the line.

 

[British Pro Cycling]

ThoughtforFood stumbles across a post in the clinic he doesn't agree with...

Call for the moderators!

 

[Anonymous]

Yes its important to tell that moderator about the nasty troll who disagrees with you. We can't have you getting all upset by seeing someone not toeing the line.

Its not that you disagree with anyone and you know it. It is about the fact that your only motive is disruption. You aren't here to discuss anything, you are just a sick man with too much time on his hands. I suggest internet porn to you, go get lost in it.

 

[Anonymous]

I can post images too...

 

[British Pro Cycling]

Its not that you disagree with anyone and you know it. It is about the fact that your only motive is disruption.

This line is your PR for the benefit of other people of course. Me and you both know that it's you and RR who continally disrupted threads by refusing to talk about the issue. You've never been able to point to a single post of mine that has ever done that. Not one. You're such a pair of liars.

You disagree with me - that's why you've hoodwined the moderators into removing my posts.

 

[British Pro Cycling]

There is two basic tactics they deploy. Firstly keep calling the person you disagree with a "troll", without quoting anything, to poison the well and close down debate. Then make sure you disrupt every single thread they are involved in so you can claim that their presense is a disruption, even though the "troll" is talking about the issue.

It's quite a simple little strategy, but I have to give credit where credit is due - it works.

 

[British Pro Cycling]

It's not surprising really. History is littered with people who claimed to be standing up for the truth and free expression but in factor were the biggest oppressers of it.

 

[Anonymous]

^^^WOW! Its like syphilis, only worse...

 

[British Pro Cycling]

They refused to ignore me, despite me begging for them to do so, yet at the same time telling everyone not to feed the troll.

No wonder they don't want me here - it's so easy to expose these pair of hypocrites.