Doping In Athletics

[TourOfSardinia]

Bang go those gold medals

GB sprinter Ujah's 'B' sample positive

British Olympic silver medallist CJ Ujah's 'B' sample tests positive, following his initial positive test at the Tokyo Olympics.

www.bbc.com

 

[fmk_RoI]

it was all about trying to stay sane during covid lockdowns. No mention of another other potential enhancements during covid. Goddamn, I guess people just want to overlook PEDs, makes things easier.

I read that article a few days ago and wondered what the hell was going on. First, the pachyderm in the pantry wasn't even mentioned, when obviously it needed to be. But then, when shoes were mentioned, that was just glossed over as if it had no role at all in explaining things. Then - and here my recall of the article may be failing me, I admit that it lost me that easily - the story seemed to be that the old orthodoxy of pacing was being thrown out in favour of time trialling through races, only for the story to more or less dismiss that too. At the end, I really don't know what was meant to be the point of it.

 

[Cookster15]

Bang go those gold medals

GB sprinter Ujah's 'B' sample positive

British Olympic silver medallist CJ Ujah's 'B' sample tests positive, following his initial positive test at the Tokyo Olympics.

www.bbc.com

It was silver not gold. But the shine does seem to be coming off.

 

[nayr497]

I read that article a few days ago and wondered what the hell was going on. First, the pachyderm in the pantry wasn't even mentioned, when obviously it needed to be. But then, when shoes were mentioned, that was just glossed over as if it had no role at all in explaining things. Then - and here my recall of the article may be failing me, I admit that it lost me that easily - the story seemed to be that the old orthodoxy of pacing was being thrown out in favour of time trialling through races, only for the story to more or less dismiss that too. At the end, I really don't know what was meant to be the point of it.

Ah ha ha. The writer definitely ignored the pachyderm!!

 

[djpbaltimore]

I read that article a few days ago and wondered what the hell was going on. First, the pachyderm in the pantry wasn't even mentioned, when obviously it needed to be. But then, when shoes were mentioned, that was just glossed over as if it had no role at all in explaining things. Then - and here my recall of the article may be failing me, I admit that it lost me that easily - the story seemed to be that the old orthodoxy of pacing was being thrown out in favour of time trialling through races, only for the story to more or less dismiss that too. At the end, I really don't know what was meant to be the point of it.

To sell Peloton subscriptions?

At one point, he kept himself motivated by attempting to finish first in as many online Peloton group classes as possible.

I enjoyed the article, but it (sadly) had no thesis. The headline was a clickbait.

I also disagree that the effect was apparent in lower levels like high schools. Of course, some records are going to fall every year, but there is really no evidence that this was accelerated by the pandemic.

What is happening at the upper echelons, especially in the distance races was remarkable. But, this was clearly a trend that started well before the Pandemic. Kipchoge's assault on the record book for example. Even on the track, look back to the 2016 olympics women's 10k where a WR and 8 NRs fell. Except for Sifan's brief hold of the WR this summer, all her PBs were from summer 2019 or earlier.

Athletics at the 2016 Summer Olympics – Women's 10,000 metres - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[nayr497]

I sometimes wonder if the Peloton craze is more or less annoying than the CrossFit craze a few years back.

 

[King Boonen]

I sometimes wonder if the Peloton craze is more or less annoying than the CrossFit craze a few years back.

More.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

both are easy to ignore.....and have little impact upon pro sport......

Mark L

If you can't get around them the TV ads can be very annoying and repetitive (just like car ads), but on the general I agree, this shouldn't have any major impact on pro sports.

Of course, are you guys talking about the people who show up at the local crit or for the weekend ride and all they can talk about is how they've been training on Peloton without actually having ever touched a real bike? That would be different.

 

[Bolder]

Nesta Carter popped again, even though he "retired" due to a "private medical condition" in March...

Sprinters have got to be the worst offenders as a group.

 

[BigCoward]

70 seconds off the women's half marathon world record. That's a big improvement.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

70 seconds off the women's half marathon world record. That's a big improvement.

Words can't even...

Gidey has a beautiful stride though, you can pretty much pick her out from the crowd because she doesn't really run, she just floats and makes it look effortless. Doping or not I don't mind her.

 

[Invicituz]

Nigerian sprinter Okagbare banned for 10 years for doping

LONDON (AP) — Nigerian sprinter Blessing Okagbare received a 10-year ban for being part of an “organized doping regimen" ahead of the Tokyo Olympics, the Athletics Integrity Unit said Friday.

apnews.com

 

[Koronin]

Here's confirmation of GB's relay team being stripped of the silver medals

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/great-britain-stripped-of-silver-medal-after-chijindu-ujahs-doping-violation-upheld-tokyo-olympics-051253631.html

 

[Invicituz]

SA stripped of world relay gold medal after Thando Dlodlo bust for doping

SA will be stripped of its world relay gold medal after one member of the 4x100m team was handed a two year and six months ban for doping.

www.timeslive.co.za

 

[BigCoward]

American 18 year old runs 19.49 for 200m. Nothing to see here.

 

[Sciatic]

American 18 year old runs 19.49 for 200m. Nothing to see here.

Uh, whoa . . . When I first read it and saw the .49 my brain assumed it was 20.49 and was about to say that’s a nice time for an 18y.o. . . .

 

[Nick2413]

American 18 year old runs 19.49 for 200m. Nothing to see here.

I don’t understand how anyone thinks any of the 100-200m times are legit these days. It’s incredibly easy to dope for strength/power based sports without getting caught and it’s the single most accessible discipline of any sport in existence, and you can get everything online anonymously, yet somehow the guys setting records are clean? At the very least there’d be untested guys setting records unofficially in backyard meets at this point, but there’s not. Either the drugs don’t work or because everyone is using them at that level.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

American 18 year old runs 19.49 for 200m. Nothing to see here.

Ridiculous time! Only Bolt, Blake and Johnson had better times in the discipline history.

 

[Pantani_lives]

I don’t understand how anyone thinks any of the 100-200m times are legit these days.

The 16.49 I ran last week was perfectly legit (on the 100 m).

 

[Parker]

He has a name by the way - Erriyon Knighton. Why would he dope? He was brilliant for the moment he started at 16. There is no point in his life (so far) where would have thought "I'm not good enough. I need to cheat". Bolt was similar - seen as the Messiah at 14.

 

[PhiLiz]

ITT: only untalented people dope. Kek.

 

[veganrob]

He has a name by the way - Erriyon Knighton. Why would he dope? He was brilliant for the moment he started at 16. There is no point in his life (so far) where would have thought "I'm not good enough. I need to cheat". Bolt was similar - seen as the Messiah at 14.

Lance Armstrong says hello

 

[Libertine Seguros]

He has a name by the way - Erriyon Knighton. Why would he dope? He was brilliant for the moment he started at 16. There is no point in his life (so far) where would have thought "I'm not good enough. I need to cheat". Bolt was similar - seen as the Messiah at 14.

Alejandro Valverde got the "El Imbatido" nickname because of winning every single race he entered for like a 2 year period as a cadet. I don't think he was doping at 11, but we know he was doping at 24 because that's when his bag at Fuentes' lab dated from. He always had the talent and he has been great at every level. I know he started doping somewhere on the journey from child prodigy to GT contender, but it's hard to say exactly where that took place.

 

[Parker]

Alejandro Valverde got the "El Imbatido" nickname because of winning every single race he entered for like a 2 year period as a cadet. I don't think he was doping at 11, but we know he was doping at 24 because that's when his bag at Fuentes' lab dated from. He always had the talent and he has been great at every level. I know he started doping somewhere on the journey from child prodigy to GT contender, but it's hard to say exactly where that took place.

Valverde got his nickname for winning races as a kid. He did done little of note internationally as an u23. As an actual grown-up he didn't win a single race in his patchy debut pro-season. That's where he thinks maybe I'm not good enough.

This kid is the 4th fastest 200m runner ever at 18. The equivalent would be Valverde winning the Vuelta by five minutes in his debut season.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Valverde got his nickname for winning races as a kid. He did done little of note internationally as an u23. As an actual grown-up he didn't win a single race in his patchy debut pro-season. That's where he thinks maybe I'm not good enough.

This kid is the 4th fastest 200m runner ever at 18. The equivalent would be Valverde winning the Vuelta by five minutes in his debut season.

Wasn't he actually still an U23 during that debut season? He was in the Kelme system so it may well have been before that though, probably after juniors but before he turned pro, would be a not unreasonable time to hazard a guess at.

I mean, it's kind of interesting hearing this take from somebody who has been so keen to defend Froome, who is at completely the opposite end of the bell curve to Knighton in terms of only discovering his super-talent after being established for several years, so would seem a major candidate for such a "lightbulb" moment, hence why I'm intrigued in your perception of this moment, what triggers it, and so on. I mean, it's not the 80s anymore when the Cold War arms race meant the US and USSR (and probably most notoriously the DDR, although that may have been more the product of the prohibitive cost of subtlety) were filling kids to the eyeballs with PEDs from the moment they got hold of them and there are other US child prodigies hitting the top of the world similarly in the last few years (take Sydney McLaughlin and Athing Mu as examples), but nevertheless the US does have a history of doping in its sprint corps which makes some people hesitant to buy what's being sold (even if that's not Knighton's fault), and it's not like people didn't raise their suspicions at Ye Shiwen either.