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Doping In Athletics

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White americans are taking over from Africans in a long-distance race. Every single men's running race has had an american on the podium. What a freak show
Some hilarious PBs to do it as well. Like, I have absolutely no qualms about the likes of Noah Lyles or Valarie Allman or Ryan Crouser, who are outlying talents but who do it week in week out all over the planet whatever level they're competing at (especially Crouser who is legitimately probably my favourite American athlete, he's just a really fun guy on the circuit willing to have a bit of fun at his own expense and super hard working, turning up to as many events as he can get his gigantic mitts on), or even the likes of Gabby Thomas or Sydney McLaughlin-Levrone (Chemical Bob links notwithstanding) who largely compete domestically but are people who have shown themselves to be elite from the moment they set foot on track at any decent level. And I know that with the strength of the domestic circuit that you have to practically be medal potential just to make it into the squad in a lot of events, as the fact the likes of Shamier Little, Raevyn Rogers and Athing Mu DNQed the nationals shows. A lot of those athletes may be competing domestically simply because with the depth of the competition at home, the benefits of travelling around the world for the Diamond League or the Continental Gold Tour just isn't worth it as against training and competing at home.

But that only really applies in events where the US has serious depth of medal-winning talent, like the 100, 200 and 400. The fact that we're getting these medal winning performances out of huge PBs, often in events that the US doesn't normally score such success in, and from athletes that seldom if ever appear outside the USA (I know, SML doesn't either) and so will pretty much only ever have been tested by the most hypocritical "do as I say, not as I do" ADA on the planet is always going to raise a lot of eyebrows, especially as most of us not in the USA do not get to see the American domestic events screened to be able to follow or become invested in these athletes enough to know how 'normal' or 'not normal' these performances may be.

The US does have a strong domestic circuit that can sustain athletes at a higher calibre than most domestic circuits, this much is true, but I can only imagine what Travis Tygart would have to say if it was a different country whose athletes were appearing internationally once every few years suddenly scoring PBs by huge margins to take medals, who were only being tested by their own NADA and whose races were inaccessible or unviewable to the regular audience.
 
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tonight was ridiculous. first Hall improves a whole second from last year's WCs to win the 400m. Then the steeplechase GOAT has to draw deep into his reserves to hold off a guy improving his PB by 8 seconds.

the Americans are not even being subtle about it
 
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tonight was ridiculous. first Hall improves a whole second from last year's WCs to win the 400m. Then the steeplechase GOAT has to draw deep into his reserves to hold off a guy improving his PB by 8 seconds.

the Americans are not even being subtle about it

I mean, not even the sprinters are ‘normal,’ even if it was expected that Lyles was to contend for gold. Doping has a long history with American sprinters.

The medals by Hocker, Nuguse, Hall, the steeplechase guy are definitely not normal. Nuguse is maybe the only one we could put an exception given his times, but him not only holding on but putting on a sprint like that is not in line with his normal running.

I expect monster performances from US track and swimming in LA. That’s gonna be a free for all as far as doping is concerned. Of course, USADA will keep excusing doping cases, dish out TUE’s, and keep pointing fingers at China and Russia.
 
I mean, the world record in the mile, which was set back in 1999, was when El Gerrouj and Ngeny followed the pacemakers and the rest of the pack wasn’t able to keep up. It was a two man race and El Gerrouj barely outlasted Ngeny. Same thing happened last year with Ingebritsen and Nuguse, when they were close to that mile record. In 2001, El G and Lagat dueled in Brussels and ran the 2nd and 3rd fastest 1500m times ever. Those times are still holding up.

So you usually have one or two that break away from the field that get or are close to getting a WR. Today you had a much more compact group, despite the fact that Ingebritsen led basically for 1300m or a bit more and he wasn’t hanging around.
the commentator on my feed said (during the race) that the wind conditions kept things together in the 1.5k.

No idea how that usually reflects on times, though. They do look ridiculous, of course, but when some Dutch guy runs 5s faster than before the Olympics as well, I guess it means that conditions did play some part.
 
So how quickly do we think SML can run tonight? She's going to win, because she doesn't give the impression that she much likes being an athlete, invincibility is her USP and Kersee won't usually let her run unless she is going to win and win big. She's never run below her Tokyo time in any stadium other than Hayward Field, but then she's only ever really run at Hayward Field since Tokyo so that's irrelevant. She's come back from a year out still running like, three times a year, but still running times as outlyingly elite as ever. I'm going to guess at a 50,4X.

We'll probably not then see her until Tokyo and then she might switch to the flat 400 and go after Koch's record, that was supposedly her intention before the injury last year, but how much of that was legitimate and how much was Kersee trying to mix things up to keep her motivated I don't know.
 
But, but, Travis Tygart is all about integrity!! He’s the white knight!!!

Edit: also LOL
 
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It is next level LOL stuff, isn't it? I mean, take your pick between China, Russia, and the US ... there is a lot of crap people just are not aware of. I am not sure where each 'actually' sits when it comes to true doping issues (if that is even a thing). Noy saying other countries are by any means cleaner and holier then all, just that the really big nations, that throw money and political weight behind 'their' athletes, really look OTT
 
Sydney Mclaughlin will surpass Koch record when she decide to switch from hurdles to flat
I think if Sydney switched to the 400 flat, she could achieve a time in the low 48s. But in retrospect to Koch's extremely suspicious and very likely anabolic 47.60, I doubt anyone could beat this record, unless they consumed a cocktail of supercharged pharmaceuticals.
 
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The other american, almost 27, has magically improved by a second and a half in the 400m hurdles in just over a year. Bol looked quite disbelieving
Yep, the complete absence of any comments about her, let alone any shade being thrown, is amazing. Sydney's time is standout, but in all honesty once we knew it was a fast track, her setting a new WR was almost expected. Cockrell's time and her insane improvement was shocking.

Especially when you consider Shamier Little is the second best US 400m hurdler by like, a long way, and she wasn't even entered after screwing up the trials. And Jasmine Jones is at least young, but her improvement here and never having raced internationally before is pretty eye opening too.
 
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Do you think she's that stupid to do IC doping during of all the places the Olympic games? 90% of the athletes were tested the day before the games (all T&F athletes were tested). I presume she wasn't glowing because she passed the test (They announced one failure - and the first of the games - with the Iraqi martial artist who tested positive for 3 separate anabolic steroids).

She's a veteran of 4 Olympic games having won Gold at Beijing & medaling at London, Rio & Toyko. She's was a favorite to medal in these games & was going to retire afterwards. I can't believe she would be that dumb to blow her grand finale & last competition of her career.
yes I think she's that stupid. Could be pressure from her doctor for another blood bag ? Or some type of injection.
 
Womens 400m hurdles world record progression makes for interesting reading. McLaughlin is indeed the GOAT.




Very likely? That "record" was set in 1985. It was 100% certain anabolic steroids before a test was developed.
Good chance that when she's gone, whenever that may be, if she moves on to another discipline or retires or just disappears, those records are there for a LONG time. We just have to wait to see if it becomes treated like a Bob Beamon or Jonathan Edwards outlier, or if it becomes like a Flo-Jo or Marita Koch outlier, in time.