Doping In Athletics

[Sciatic]

Do you think she's that stupid to do IC doping during of all the places the Olympic games? 90% of the athletes were tested the day before the games (all T&F athletes were tested). I presume she wasn't glowing because she passed the test (They announced one failure - and the first of the games - with the Iraqi martial artist who tested positive for 3 separate anabolic steroids).

She's a veteran of 4 Olympic games having won Gold at Beijing & medaling at London, Rio & Toyko. She's was a favorite to medal in these games & was going to retire afterwards. I can't believe she would be that dumb to blow her grand finale & last competition of her career.

The fact that there was only one failed test among thousands of athletes tested is clear indication that there is plenty the testing does not catch!

 

[Sciatic]

Do you think she's that stupid to do IC doping during of all the places the Olympic games? 90% of the athletes were tested the day before the games (all T&F athletes were tested). I presume she wasn't glowing because she passed the test (They announced one failure - and the first of the games - with the Iraqi martial artist who tested positive for 3 separate anabolic steroids).

She's a veteran of 4 Olympic games having won Gold at Beijing & medaling at London, Rio & Toyko. She's was a favorite to medal in these games & was going to retire afterwards. I can't believe she would be that dumb to blow her grand finale & last competition of her career.

Your last paragraph seems like a valid, logical argument in most activities, but really has not much credence when it comes to doping because that same argument has been made (and proven faulty) so many times before.

In fact, there’s the counter logic that despite her age and accomplishments she still felt compelled to compete and of course to medal. But bodies age, the competitors keep running faster. Did she feel the need to dope now because she couldn’t push her body to the peak of perfection the way she used to do with relative ease and needed to compensate?

 

[firefly3323]

The fact that there was only one failed test among thousands of athletes tested is clear indication that there is plenty the testing does not catch!

IIRC Ross Tucker said in a recent podcast that the positive rate is 0.6 %.......yet the majority admit using at some point. ***assuming nothing has changed in the last decade (if anything it looks like more are using now than back in 2011)

 

[Nomad]

Your last paragraph seems like a valid, logical argument in most activities, but really has not much credence when it comes to doping because that same argument has been made (and proven faulty) so many times before.

In fact, there’s the counter logic that despite her age and accomplishments she still felt compelled to compete and of course to medal. But bodies age, the competitors keep running faster. Did she feel the need to dope now because she couldn’t push her body to the peak of perfection the way she used to do with relative ease and needed to compensate?

I'm skeptical of this doping-related theory because of the unrealistic circumstances that would have to be involved. She passed the pre-comp testing, so whatever compounds she uses in the lead-up to key races (e.g, steroids, testosterone, GH, SARMs, etc) it cleared her system. So, what happens next? Does she decide after the opening round of pre-lims to dope? And if so, what compound(s)? Having then decided to dope IC - does she test herself & see that she's glowing? Lol.

And let's examine the possibility that she uses an undetectable compound(s). Marion Jones doped IC during the 2000 Sydney games with the undetectable anabolic steroid THG ("The Clear"). It was only years later when a whistleblower came forward that she was busted. If Fraser-Pryce is using an undetectable compound(s), it wouldn't make sense that she passed the pre-comp test but was then glowing several days later.

IMO, I don't know what is so unusual about a 37 yr old sprinter way passed her prime sustaining a common hamstring injury during warmups deciding to pull out & not risk a very serious rupture.

 

[Sciatic]

I'm skeptical of this doping-related theory because of the unrealistic circumstances that would have to be involved. She passed the pre-comp testing, so whatever compounds she uses in the lead-up to key races (e.g, steroids, testosterone, GH, SARMs, etc) it cleared her system. So, what happens next? Does she decide after the opening round of pre-lims to dope? And if so, what compound(s)? Having then decided to dope IC - does she test herself & see that she's glowing? Lol.

And let's examine the possibility that she uses an undetectable compound(s). Marion Jones doped IC during the 2000 Sydney games with the undetectable anabolic steroid THG ("The Clear"). It was only years later when a whistleblower came forward that she was busted. If Fraser-Pryce is using an undetectable compound(s), it wouldn't make sense that she passed the pre-comp test but was then glowing several days later.

IMO, I don't know what is so unusual about a 37 yr old sprinter way passed her prime sustaining a common hamstring injury during warmups deciding to pull out & not risk a very serious rupture.

Let’s look at your very 1st part of this—why if she passed the pre-comp testing would passing additional tests be an issue? One possibility—and seems likely so labs don’t get overwhelmed trying to do thousands of athlete blood tests in a short span—is that the initial testing was just testing urine, but medalists and random selected get blood testing as well which would reveal more, including biopassport alarms.

As far as not unusual to for sprinter to have injuries—of course that’s a good possibility too, and I already mentioned that was a valid possibility. But if we wanted to discuss her hamstring issues we wouldn’t come to the Clinic to do that.

 

[awavey]

IMO, I don't know what is so unusual about a 37 yr old sprinter way passed her prime sustaining a common hamstring injury during warmups deciding to pull out & not risk a very serious rupture.

The issue isn't the injury, that by itself is completely unremarkable and if that had been the sole element of the story no one would be even commenting on it.

 

[Pantani Attacks]

That American in the 1500 would beat Kerr and Ingebritsen would melt the piss cup.

Hocker had a personal best of 3.30.59 coming into that final.

Wins in 3.27.65.

 

[Invicituz]

That American in the 1500 would beat Kerr and Ingebritsen would melt the piss cup.

Hocker had a personal best of 3.30.59 coming into that final.

Wins in 3.27.65.

The winning time of 3.27.65, a new Olympic and American record, equals Hicham El Guerrouj's as the 17th quickest of all time.

 

[Brullnux]

That American in the 1500 would beat Kerr and Ingebritsen would melt the piss cup.

Hocker had a personal best of 3.30.59 coming into that final.

Wins in 3.27.65.

I think almost everyone ended up setting a PB because Ingebritsen decided to cosplay as pacemaker, but he's a Oregon graduate, Eugene-based Nike athlete lol

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I think almost everyone ended up setting a PB because Ingebritsen decided to cosplay as pacemaker, but he's a Oregon graduate, Eugene-based Nike athlete lol

There was something stated after Fisher in the 10k that it was the US' first medal in the men's 10 in over a hundred years, and I was like, I know Galen Rupp is super sus and was Salazar's golem, but he hasn't had his medal from London taken away while I wasn't looking has he? And indeed it turned out it was just shoddy commentary.

 

[BullsFan22]

Yeah when you set your pb by 3 seconds in a field like that, in an Olympic final, and have the strength to outsprint men like Kerr and Ingebritsen, yeah something is fishy. And the fact that he’s with Nike Oregon is doubly juicy.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Yeah when you set your pb by 3 seconds in a field like that, in an Olympic final, and have the strength to outsprint men like Kerr and Ingebritsen, yeah something is fishy. And the fact that he’s with Nike Oregon is doubly juicy.

Good job USADA have such integrity that we can trust any athlete that never runs outside the US outside major championships they win medals at then.

 

[BullsFan22]

Good job USADA have such integrity that we can trust any athlete that never runs outside the US outside major championships they win medals at then.

But, but, Travis Tygart is all about integrity!! He’s the white knight!!!

 

[Brullnux]

Yeah when you set your pb by 3 seconds in a field like that, in an Olympic final, and have the strength to outsprint men like Kerr and Ingebritsen, yeah something is fishy. And the fact that he’s with Nike Oregon is doubly juicy.

I would say that he is known for his kick, and almost the entire field bar Ingebritsen set a PB because Ingebritsen paced so hard for 1300m. So, I think the PB is because of the field, and to be honest beyond the 400m times are not always great indicators of suspicious performances or otherwise because the races vary so much in terms of pacing and strategy. It's very unusual for the favourite to pace so hard for so long, and it does automatically give everyone a big time boost.

I do think the Nike-Oregon links are very funny, though.

 

[Nomad]

Let’s look at your very 1st part of this—why if she passed the pre-comp testing would passing additional tests be an issue? One possibility—and seems likely so labs don’t get overwhelmed trying to do thousands of athlete blood tests in a short span—is that the initial testing was just testing urine, but medalists and random selected get blood testing as well which would reveal more, including biopassport alarms.

That's a very good question: Does pre-comp testing for major events involve both urine & blood samples for athletes who are part of the ABP? No question Fraser-Pryce is part of ABP specifically for monitoring of the steroidal & hormonal modules. So, would they have taken a blood sample along with a urine sample?

Looking back at the 2012 London games, disgraced 800m gold medalist Mariya Savinova was part of the ABP & only a urine sample was obtained pre-comp. And the only blood sample obtained from her during the entire Olympics was on the day before prelims. According to the McLaren report, she used EPO & Anavar in the lead-up to the Olympics.

Her teammate, Natalya Antyukh, the disgraced 400mh gold medalist, had no blood samples taken at all for her ABP. According to McLaren, she was using the infamous "Duchess Cocktail" in the lead-up to the games (which entails 3 anabolic steroids taken with a slug of Vodka for better absorption. Lol).

No evidence of IC doping with any of these athletes. And they only got caught because of the whistleblower who came forward about the Russian state-sponsored dopng program (a disgruntled female 800m specialist who didn't make the Olympic team. Lol).

 

[Unchained]

That's a very good question: Does pre-comp testing for major events involve both urine & blood samples for athletes who are part of the ABP? No question Fraser-Pryce is part of ABP specifically for monitoring of the steroidal & hormonal modules. So, would they have taken a blood sample along with a urine sample?

Looking back at the 2012 London games, disgraced 800m gold medalist Mariya Savinova was part of the ABP & only a urine sample was obtained pre-comp. And the only blood sample obtained from her during the entire Olympics was on the day before prelims. According to the McLaren report, she used EPO & Anavar in the lead-up to the Olympics.

Her teammate, Natalya Antyukh, the disgraced 400mh gold medalist, had no blood samples taken at all for her ABP. According to McLaren, she was using the infamous "Duchess Cocktail" in the lead-up to the games (which entails 3 anabolic steroids taken with a slug of Vodka for better absorption. Lol).

No evidence of IC doping with any of these athletes. And they only got caught because of the whistleblower who came forward about the Russian state-sponsored dopng program (a disgruntled female 800m specialist who didn't make the Olympic team. Lol).

I am also taking a vodka supplement to improve my performance!!

 

[BullsFan22]

I would say that he is known for his kick, and almost the entire field bar Ingebritsen set a PB because Ingebritsen paced so hard for 1300m. So, I think the PB is because of the field, and to be honest beyond the 400m times are not always great indicators of suspicious performances or otherwise because the races vary so much in terms of pacing and strategy. It's very unusual for the favourite to pace so hard for so long, and it does automatically give everyone a big time boost.

I do think the Nike-Oregon links are very funny, though.

I mean, the world record in the mile, which was set back in 1999, was when El Gerrouj and Ngeny followed the pacemakers and the rest of the pack wasn’t able to keep up. It was a two man race and El Gerrouj barely outlasted Ngeny. Same thing happened last year with Ingebritsen and Nuguse, when they were close to that mile record. In 2001, El G and Lagat dueled in Brussels and ran the 2nd and 3rd fastest 1500m times ever. Those times are still holding up.

So you usually have one or two that break away from the field that get or are close to getting a WR. Today you had a much more compact group, despite the fact that Ingebritsen led basically for 1300m or a bit more and he wasn’t hanging around.

 

[Eclipse]

I would say that he is known for his kick, and almost the entire field bar Ingebritsen set a PB because Ingebritsen paced so hard for 1300m. So, I think the PB is because of the field, and to be honest beyond the 400m times are not always great indicators of suspicious performances or otherwise because the races vary so much in terms of pacing and strategy. It's very unusual for the favourite to pace so hard for so long, and it does automatically give everyone a big time boost.

I dunno, typically a race paced so hard sees the finish run out of people or people just simply unable to hang on or move up. It's also not like Kerr has bad endurance or a dreadful kick himself.

This was even more of an insane performance than Pan Zhanle.

 

[Barkintheeye]

well it was first claimed on social media she was barred entry to the stadium, that then turned into she was told to use a different gate to enter the warm up track, that then became from the Jamaican team she got an injury in the warm up.

and all oddly none of which she mentions in her own statement on social media, just that she was disappointed, but feels blessed.

if her hamstring popped, she wont be running in anything more in these games, yet none of the media are reporting thats it for her.

She should be tested anyway despite withdrawing or better because of the late withdrawal.

 

[Barkintheeye]

I am also taking a vodka supplement to improve my performance!!

This is the new thing. "I had some vodka shots before the race so I cannot understand how my test failed..."

 

[fenns]

American athletes are always suspect especially the ones who don't appear outside the US prior to the Olympics/WCs

 

[Invicituz]

Will anyone ever surpass Marita Koch's 400m, 47.60, and Jarmila Kratochvílová's 800m, 1:53.28 world records? 😲

 

[Slavique Nuke]

White americans are taking over from Africans in a long-distance race. Every single men's running race has had an american on the podium. What a freak show

 

[Dazed and Confused]

White americans are taking over from Africans in a long-distance race. Every single men's running race has had an american on the podium. What a freak show

LA is coming up next.

 

[Invicituz]

LA is coming up next.

It will be a home advantage for the Americans, and probably a record medal haul.