Doping In Athletics

[sniper]

Re: long

ha ha.......that's as funny as his nibs turbo attack in the vuelta

today had to stop watching beeb highlights of day 2 iaaf worlds.............whole

commentary team went completely over the top with praise for darling jess

then i saw pic of that jamaican sprinter doing a 'flo jo' with flowers

in her hair....................

Mark L

Reminding ourselves nearly 30 years now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpkB3CdlGCM

And this is awesome. Remember the West Germans were attempting to mimic the GDR doping programs, so this is like top trumps doping for the top 4.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhtFClCScpQ

2015 and the Jamaicans have the track to themselves. Things are going to get a lot worse before they get better now Bolt is too big to fail.

The Americans and (to lesser extent) Brits did a nice job emulating East Bloc 'training' programs upping their game throughout the 80s, in all branches of top sport. Eric Heiden, Greg Lemond, Coe. You name them. Borysewicz, Gerschler/Coe.

More flojo comedy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DfQP0YoU9I

Women sprinting has been as riddled with doping as men sprinting, seems fair to say.
Ottey, Flojo, Marion Jones, you name them. All loaded to the eyebrows.
Btw, Ottey's story sounds familiar: tested positive in 1999, was banned but then exonerated by the Jamaican federation (even though she ran for Slovenia at the time).

 

[rainman]

Re:

Bolt isnt the LA of T&F, simply coz people went after (and finally got) LA... But no one touches Bolt. A sad story. Now the only hope is he gets his ass kicked by Gatlin in the 200m, and more important at next years Olympics 100m...

Bolt is the most obvious über-doper in all sports ever, worse than Johnson, Horner & Bonds.

If he tested positive I would laugh til I cried.
I'd like to see the Athletics ship get wrecked and sink deep with this one. Total hypocrites.

 

[sniper]

Re:

If a blonde heptathon chick can run 10.83 clean, what can dark colored women with west-African heritage accomplish? Like, 10.5 in a bit of tail wind?

Schippers, is she a Hermens protegee?

 

[glassmoon]

Re: smiley

no one mentions shelly ann fraser pryce? is that because she's just so lovely smiling

all the time............trying so hard to look more feminine even though she's built like

a small tank

a favourite beeb commentator stated 'so much power from such a slight frame'....

what sort of agenda is that.............?

Mark L

Yeah, she's trying just too hard... More obvious doper than Bolt imho.

 

[sniper]

she's been exposed already.
got caught in 09 i think.
why else you think the Beep stay schtum on her win.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Shelly Fraser? What a disgust. The one who had to wear braces. Now, because of all the HGH & stuff, her face has muscle twitches, literally. Saw that both in the semis and finals at the start line.
I wonder how such blatant cheaters can look in the mirror...

 

[sniper]

Re:

Shelly Fraser? What a disgust. The one who had to wear braces. Now, because of all the HGH & stuff, her face has muscle twitches, literally. Saw that both in the semis and finals at the start line.
I wonder how such blatant cheaters can look in the mirror...

Many 100m athletes are right up there challenging for the title of 'dumbest athlete of all times'.
Not kiddin, just listen to some post-100m interviews, regardless in what year.
Most of them are guys/girls who should feel really blessed to have a healthy body and to be good responders, because alternative carreer options are limited to stacking shelves at Tesco and doing time in jail.
Against that background, I can't say I blame them for cheating.

 

[ray j willings]

Re:

Shelly Fraser? What a disgust. The one who had to wear braces. Now, because of all the HGH & stuff, her face has muscle twitches, literally. Saw that both in the semis and finals at the start line.
I wonder how such blatant cheaters can look in the mirror...

I would imagine they face a reflective surface aim their eyes in the general direction and look and admire the super physiques

No one athlete is the problem. The problem is the culture of sport and man/women's desire to be the best.
I doubt any athlete would feel bad about doping. Why should they?
Stop doping and go and work in a factory [ I have done that] or do a sh$t job elsewhere. I don't blame them one bit.
I would do the same in their position. Its not war, just sport. There are bigger and more powerful "real corrupt" people making a lot more than the Athletes.

They nearly all cheating,,,if you want to win you have to take care of business.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Re: Re:

Shelly Fraser? What a disgust. The one who had to wear braces. Now, because of all the HGH & stuff, her face has muscle twitches, literally. Saw that both in the semis and finals at the start line.
I wonder how such blatant cheaters can look in the mirror...

Many 100m athletes are right up there challenging for the title of 'dumbest athlete of all times'.
Not kiddin, just listen to some post-100m interviews, regardless in what year.
Most of them are guys/girls who should feel really blessed to have a healthy body and to be good responders, because alternative carreer options are limited to stacking shelves at Tesco and doing time in jail.
Against that background, I can't say I blame them for cheating.

I agree on that.

Shelly Fraser? What a disgust. The one who had to wear braces. Now, because of all the HGH & stuff, her face has muscle twitches, literally. Saw that both in the semis and finals at the start line.
I wonder how such blatant cheaters can look in the mirror...

I would imagine they face a reflective surface aim their eyes in the general direction and look and admire the super physiques

No one athlete is the problem. The problem is the culture of sport and man/women's desire to be the best.
I doubt any athlete would feel bad about doping. Why should they?
Stop doping and go and work in a factory [ I have done that] or do a sh$t job elsewhere. I don't blame them one bit.
I would do the same in their position. Its not war, just sport. There are bigger and more powerful "real corrupt" people making a lot more than the Athletes.

They nearly all cheating,,,if you want to win you have to take care of business.

Yeah the "good" ol USA view. Winner takes all, winning at all costs... And this *** had spread around the world like a aggressive cancer.

And when they are older they whine "Oh, ah, the docs didnt told me of risks of this and that". (Like crippled and drug addicted ex NFLers complain 24/7)

The desire to be the best does not include doping. They just cheat themselves. Earn some millions, and in their endless dumbness waste it trou in a few years, before the above complaining starts. They are all (those who dope) losers. Big losers...

 

[wendybnt]

The 'clean sport' idea is a sort of idealistic fantasy projected by believers in an ideal onto people who earn a living by winning and need to do whatever is needed to win. Supported by the businesses that use that ideal to sell stuff to the believers of course.

 

[mrhender]

http://www.euronews.com/sport/3061783-kenyan-athletes-warned-of-doping-tests-says-ard/

BERLIN (Reuters) – Some Kenyan athletes were warned ahead of unannounced doping tests and a banned runner accused athletics officials of demanding money to hide positive tests, German state broadcaster ARD reported on Tuesday.

ARD and Britain’s Sunday Times reported recently that the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) had not followed up on hundreds of suspicious doping tests, throwing the sport into turmoil.

ARD has reported on allegations of doping in Kenyan athletics in the past.

In the latest report on Kenyan athletes, Frimin Kiplagat Kipchoge, a former runner who works with athletes, said some testers called up athletes ahead of their visits and were willing to reschedule them if they were not available.

According to doping rules, unannounced tests can take place at any time with the athlete having to register his or her daily whereabouts with a central system so as to be available for drug-testing, both in and out of competition.

Banned athlete Ronald Kipchumba, who tested positive for blood-boosting EPO in 2012, told ARD some athletics officials in the country were also demanding money from them to bury positive tests.

The governing body of athletics has been in crisis since the data from thousands of blood samples was leaked to the two media organisations this month.

Three weeks of further leaks and allegations that the IAAF has been soft on dopers overshadowed the run-up to its biennial showpiece, the world athletics championships, which opened in Beijing last week.

World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) chief Craig Reedie told ARD Kenyan authorities were aware of what was needed to be done in the fight against doping, when he was asked if WADA would launch a separate investigation into the country’s athletes.

WADA has launched two separate investigations into previous ARD allegations of doping.

More detailed in German:

http://lawm.sportschau.de/peking2015/nachrichten/LA-WM-Doping-Kenia,kenia190.html

 

[skippythepinhead]

Re: Re:

But there is no evidence or hints/ links, contacts that he doped as a youngster.

First off Mr Hitch I was talking about endurance drugs, NOT DRUGS in general. So don't even go there.
You want to talk about different drugs and there benefits lets go.
Reply with facts not innuendo.


So do you think taking EPO or any endurance type drug will be of benefit in the speed needed in 10 seconds.
They may well aid in recovery but I doubt very much their endurance benefits will come into play in under 10 seconds ....

different matter

I see some of you all up in arms again. Relax its just a race.
If someone can show me some "evidence" not assumption that Bolt was doped when he was a youngster than I will happily change my mind. He smashed all records as a youngster and has not stopped since.
He may well be doped but I am not convinced.
its no good mentioning Armstrong etc , I never ever thought Armstrong was clean or all the others that come up.
Bolt is different, He has a pedigree of smashing world records all through his career unlike the others who we talked about.

I don't believe in unicorns but Santa is real , NASA have him on their radar

I. Can't. Even.

 

[The Carrot]

The 100M 'good vs evil' thing is further confirmation that things are getting closer to WWE and nobody's really interested in anti doping.

1.The fans need to have heroes and suffer from a suspension of disbelief.
2.The media feed off the naive misapprehension that they are honest and independent and 'pull the wool' to achieve viewing figures, sell papers. They'll underwrite the heroes' stories as long as it sells.
3.The athletes do what they have to do to compete (dope), having sacrificed so much, while living in fear of their careers being ended by losing or falling out of favour (i.e not being a hero any more) . They'll keep stum.
4, The sport's 'leaders' exploit the failings of the groups from points 1,2 and 3 to make a killing.

All the groups 1-4 are mutually supporting and so the whole thing is self perpetuating, trouble is, it's getting just silly now, it's so obvious what's going on. The way media are behaving is rather embarrassing, but they do it because if the fans stop believing then the whole house of cards comes down.

 

[ray j willings]

Re: Re:

Yeah the "good" ol USA view. Winner takes all, winning at all costs... And this **** had spread around the world like a aggressive cancer.

And when they are older they whine "Oh, ah, the docs didnt told me of risks of this and that". (Like crippled and drug addicted ex NFLers complain 24/7)

The desire to be the best does not include doping. They just cheat themselves. Earn some millions, and in their endless dumbness waste it trou in a few years, before the above complaining starts. They are all (those who dope) losers. Big losers...[/quote]


I don't think you can define it to the U.S. But I agree with your sentiment but that greed shines through all aspects of life ,political and industrial etc.
I agree that the athletes going crazy with the steroid's will have health issues,but the micro dosers etc. will be fine. You may well be the best but unless you can prove it on the big stage then no one will know.
That's the reality. You want to define yourself as a great athlete ,cyclist ,its not going to happen clean

 

[Lyon]

The 'winner takes all' mentality is German, not American, even though the Americans are obviously better at it.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Re:

The 'winner takes all' mentality is German, not American, even though the Americans are obviously better at it.

Not at all. Germans way is work your butt off, do what others tell you, always follow the rules, and then throw all the accomplishments away for free... It´s night/day difference to the US way.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Re: Re:

Yeah the "good" ol USA view. Winner takes all, winning at all costs... And this **** had spread around the world like a aggressive cancer.

And when they are older they whine "Oh, ah, the docs didnt told me of risks of this and that". (Like crippled and drug addicted ex NFLers complain 24/7)

The desire to be the best does not include doping. They just cheat themselves. Earn some millions, and in their endless dumbness waste it trou in a few years, before the above complaining starts. They are all (those who dope) losers. Big losers...

I don't think you can define it to the U.S. But I agree with your sentiment but that greed shines through all aspects of life ,political and industrial etc.
I agree that the athletes going crazy with the steroid's will have health issues,but the micro dosers etc. will be fine. You may well be the best but unless you can prove it on the big stage then no one will know.
That's the reality. You want to define yourself as a great athlete ,cyclist ,its not going to happen clean[/quote]

Disagree on the bolded... otherwise I´d agree.

 

[Catwhoorg]

http://www.usada.org/cas-decision-extend-sanction-trafeh/

USADA announced today that a sole arbitrator from the Court of Arbitration for Sport (“CAS”) rendered his decision in an appeal that sought to challenge the start date of track & field athlete Mohamed “Mo” Trafeh’s sanction, as earlier determined in the Award issued by the American Arbitration Association (“AAA”) on December 2, 2014.

The CAS Award vacated the AAA Award start date of January 1, 2012, for Trafeh’s 4-year period of ineligibility and instead commenced the start date on December 2, 2014, the date of the AAA hearing decision. Accordingly, Trafeh’s period of ineligibility, which was due to expire on December 31, 2015, will now continue through and include December 1, 2018.

Full decision:
http://www.usada.org/wp-content/uploads/2015-08-14-Trafeh-AWARD.pdf

 

[sniper]

apparently two fresh Kenyan positives:
http://www.eurosport.de/leichtathletik/leichtathletik-wm/2015/medien-die-kenianerinnen-koki-manunga-und-joyce-zakary-bei-der-leichtathletik-wm-positiv-getestet_sto4878460/story.shtml
Pretty obvious move by IAAF.

 

[Catwhoorg]

I am assuming this is the same (though in English):

http://sportsnewsarena.com/two-kenyan-sprinters-fail-doping-test-in-beijing-

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Kenya becoming the new Jamaica... now they rock the boat even in Javellin throw and short(er) distance running. The country with great infrastructure, the best coaches, and best training facilities, and a 300 million people talent pool. LOLZ. Watta farce T&F is. It´s in quality and quantity absolute worse than cycling ever was... because there you had a somewhat level field. In T&F the bigger western countries have their OOC tests; in Kenya, Jamaica & Co you just buy them testers off (if they ever meet you in the non-road hills anyway). Result: Most absurd outcomes...

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Bigger LOLZ at Veronica Campell-Brown. The caught doper got payed back big time by the fairness gods... Now she´ll be the joke and embarassement for years to come. Stepping into the lane of another runner in the curve and then stayed there. You must see that guys (may a youtube link will come up)...

 

[Catwhoorg]

From the BBC News (http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/athletics/34060181)

American sprinter Justin Gatlin is unfairly carrying the burden of all drugs cheats, according to his agent.

The 33-year-old, who has twice been banned for doping offences, finished behind Usain Bolt in the 100m at the World Championships in Beijing, China.

He was one of four men in the 100m final to have tested positive for banned substances during their careers.
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We have come so far since the "Dirtiest race in History" in Seoul haven't we?

 

[sniper]

Re:

Bigger LOLZ at Veronica Campell-Brown. The caught doper got payed back big time by the fairness gods... Now she´ll be the joke and embarassement for years to come. Stepping into the lane of another runner in the curve and then stayed there. You must see that guys (may a youtube link will come up)...

jeezus, another Jamaican medal winner and doper?
(btw, just reading that she too, like Merlene Ottey, was subseqeuntly cleared by Jamaican Athletics + CAS. Did serve a ban though)

Fraser-Pryce served a 6 month ban.
Starting to wonder, is there any Jamaican medal winner out there who hasn't tested positive? (except Mr. Good of course)

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

No there is none. And Bolt is guilty beyond any tiny doubt. Circumstancial evidence as big as it ever was with LA before he got banned...

19.19 over 200m? Hello anyone... that is like a Alpe time of 34 mins... His 200m "WR" is even more grotesque than his 100m one.

Look at the semis now: The top sprinters run 1 second (!!!) slower... in phucking 200 meters only.