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Cookster15 said:
More Strides than Rides said:
gregrowlerson said:
noddy69 said:
Bolder said:
Kipchoge has been getting a ton of positive press, including a rather credulous article in the NYT (which should know better) https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/14/sports/eliud-kipchoge-marathon.html

In which we read this quote: Bedford, the London Marathon director, said, “In the eyes of people who know and understand the sport, there is no doubt at all that he is anything other than clean, legitimate and honest.”

Seriously? The guy goes from a 5k specialist (and a very good one) to winning what, 9 marathons in a row and obliterating the record. Plus Kenyan.

Here is Kipchoge's magic formula. Train less hard: But perhaps what is most unusual about Kipchoge, 33, and his diet of monastic extremes is the one thing he does not do: overextend himself in training. He estimates that he seldom pushes himself past 80 percent — 90 percent, tops — of his maximum effort when he circles the track for interval sessions, or when he embarks on 25-mile jogs.
It's not unusual at all for marathon runners to only hit 80% on interval training efforts. His maximum effort for intervals is way above what he could sustain for a marathon .
No one but a complete amateur who didn't know what they were at would run at race pace on a long run as training either for any amount of time. Marathon pace is very different to 10k/5k, so his training intervals on the longer runs would be at possibly 80%, which would be marathon paced efforts.ie not overextending himself.
Seriously the guy is doping to the gills but he still needs to train right.
Not so different nowadays...
Just seeing this now. The article is just wrong. Many coaches point to the jump in Marathon performances to harder and longer runs. 40k at 96-98% of race pace...

All the best Kenyan use the same course for the fastest 40 km before the race.

The course start at an elevation of 2020m, there are 20 km hilly finishing at 2195m, then they turn coming back.

This means the second half is globally downhill, and normally becomes faster than the first half of one minute - one and half minute.

I consider the difference per km, compared with the same effort at sea level on tarmac, of about 6 seconds : 3 seconds for the altitude (no more, for athletes born and living at the same altitude, or higher), and 3 seconds for the lack of grip (they run on rough roads, with training shoes, and normally the difference between one km on tarmac and one km on rough road is about 3 secs).

The best times ever in that course are :
Wilson Kipsang 2:03:32, 5 weeks before the WR in Berlin (2:03:23)
Abel Kirui 2:04:57 before London 2012 (when he had helycobacter)
Abel Kirui 2:05:57 before Chicago 2016 (he won)
Moses Mosop 2:07:15 in 2011 before Boston, when he ran 2:03:06: Till that time, nobody had run under 2:10, but after his training many athletes started to run 40 km very much faster than before.
Geoffrey Kirui ran 2:07:30 before winning Boston this year.

About the ladies, we have Mary Keitany in 2:18:36 before winning London in 2012 (2:18:37), Rita Jeptoo in 2:19:32 before winning Boston 2014, Florence Kiplagat 2:20:13 before winning Chicago last year.

We can say that, at 98% of effort, athletes can run about the same time they can have in competition.

This means that, from 40 to 30 days before the race, all the best runners in the world can run 40 km at 96-98% of max Marathon pace :

The time of Wilson (2:03:32), if we consider the difference of 6 seconds per km, can be like 1:59:30 - 2 hours at sea level, and this means a full Marathon between 2:06:20 and 2:07. If we compare this with the final performance of 2:03:23, we can see a difference of about 3 minutes, that in percentage is between 2.5 and 3% of the Marathon Speed.

This is the most important training before a Marathon, and the main reason of the difference in the performances between African and American runners in Marathon, when they have the same value in shorter distances.

A well trained Kenyan with 28:00 PB in 10 km can run 2:07, a "well trained" American with 28:00 is happy to run 2:11, because his long run NEVER is at the level of the final goal (both as speed and distance).
Kipchoge doesn't train less hard. his training log shows pretty intense training. Several runs of 40k, and every third run 30k or 40k long tempos. (his pre 2017 log is available http://www.sweatelite.co/eliud-kipchoge-full-training-log-leading-marathon-world-record-attempt/

I hate this "He/they (whoever)' is better because they train easier. Doping or not, the dudes work hard. They work harder than anyone else in the world.
No, the Africans work just as hard but are more genetically talented. In the past the African runners didn't employ the same science to their training as runners from Western nations did. Now they do. We see the incredible results when you combine optimal genetic talent with optimal sports science. 2:01:39? Just incredible that's 2:52 / km for 42.2Km. I shake my head.
And then add in that little bit extra :rolleyes:
https://www.lequipe.fr/Athletisme/Actualites/Le-kenyan-kipyegon-bett-est-suspendu-quatre-annees/961928
 
Abeba Aregawi is putting her spikes on the shelf according to Swedish media (https://www.svt.se/sport/friidrott/abeba-aregawi-karriar-vilande-torneklint-181128).

She has n't raced since 2016 when she got caught for meldonium and has now asked to be taken off the doping control list. 2017 she had a child with marathon runner Yemane Tsegay and is enjoying life back in Ethiopia.

My hard earned tax money paying her child support probably. :sad:
 
https://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/46441625
IAAF upholds Russia's ban from athletics into 2019

Russian athletes will remain banned from international competitions after the IAAF upheld the country's suspension into 2019.

Athletics' governing body banned Russia in November 2015 because of evidence of state-sponsored doping.

The ban will remain in place until samples and data from Moscow's former anti-doping laboratory are made available.

Russia must also pay all costs incurred by the work of the IAAF's task force.

"I hope they'll deliver the data by the end of this year," said Rune Andersen, head of the IAAF's task force on Russia. "But I cannot go any further than that.

"We've received no assurances it will be delivered to us directly.

"Assurances have been given to Wada (World Anti-Doping Agency) and Wada have set a deadline of 31 December to receive the data. We'll have to rely on receiving the data from Wada before handing it to the AIU (Athletics Integrity Unit)."
 
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More Strides than Rides said:
gregrowlerson said:
noddy69 said:
Bolder said:
Kipchoge has been getting a ton of positive press, including a rather credulous article in the NYT (which should know better) https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/14/sports/eliud-kipchoge-marathon.html

In which we read this quote: Bedford, the London Marathon director, said, “In the eyes of people who know and understand the sport, there is no doubt at all that he is anything other than clean, legitimate and honest.”

Seriously? The guy goes from a 5k specialist (and a very good one) to winning what, 9 marathons in a row and obliterating the record. Plus Kenyan.

Here is Kipchoge's magic formula. Train less hard: But perhaps what is most unusual about Kipchoge, 33, and his diet of monastic extremes is the one thing he does not do: overextend himself in training. He estimates that he seldom pushes himself past 80 percent — 90 percent, tops — of his maximum effort when he circles the track for interval sessions, or when he embarks on 25-mile jogs.
It's not unusual at all for marathon runners to only hit 80% on interval training efforts. His maximum effort for intervals is way above what he could sustain for a marathon .
No one but a complete amateur who didn't know what they were at would run at race pace on a long run as training either for any amount of time. Marathon pace is very different to 10k/5k, so his training intervals on the longer runs would be at possibly 80%, which would be marathon paced efforts.ie not overextending himself.
Seriously the guy is doping to the gills but he still needs to train right.
Not so different nowadays...
Just seeing this now. The article is just wrong. Many coaches point to the jump in Marathon performances to harder and longer runs. 40k at 96-98% of race pace...

All the best Kenyan use the same course for the fastest 40 km before the race.

The course start at an elevation of 2020m, there are 20 km hilly finishing at 2195m, then they turn coming back.

This means the second half is globally downhill, and normally becomes faster than the first half of one minute - one and half minute.

I consider the difference per km, compared with the same effort at sea level on tarmac, of about 6 seconds : 3 seconds for the altitude (no more, for athletes born and living at the same altitude, or higher), and 3 seconds for the lack of grip (they run on rough roads, with training shoes, and normally the difference between one km on tarmac and one km on rough road is about 3 secs).

The best times ever in that course are :
Wilson Kipsang 2:03:32, 5 weeks before the WR in Berlin (2:03:23)
Abel Kirui 2:04:57 before London 2012 (when he had helycobacter)
Abel Kirui 2:05:57 before Chicago 2016 (he won)
Moses Mosop 2:07:15 in 2011 before Boston, when he ran 2:03:06: Till that time, nobody had run under 2:10, but after his training many athletes started to run 40 km very much faster than before.
Geoffrey Kirui ran 2:07:30 before winning Boston this year.

About the ladies, we have Mary Keitany in 2:18:36 before winning London in 2012 (2:18:37), Rita Jeptoo in 2:19:32 before winning Boston 2014, Florence Kiplagat 2:20:13 before winning Chicago last year.

We can say that, at 98% of effort, athletes can run about the same time they can have in competition.

This means that, from 40 to 30 days before the race, all the best runners in the world can run 40 km at 96-98% of max Marathon pace :

The time of Wilson (2:03:32), if we consider the difference of 6 seconds per km, can be like 1:59:30 - 2 hours at sea level, and this means a full Marathon between 2:06:20 and 2:07. If we compare this with the final performance of 2:03:23, we can see a difference of about 3 minutes, that in percentage is between 2.5 and 3% of the Marathon Speed.

This is the most important training before a Marathon, and the main reason of the difference in the performances between African and American runners in Marathon, when they have the same value in shorter distances.

A well trained Kenyan with 28:00 PB in 10 km can run 2:07, a "well trained" American with 28:00 is happy to run 2:11, because his long run NEVER is at the level of the final goal (both as speed and distance).
Kipchoge doesn't train less hard. his training log shows pretty intense training. Several runs of 40k, and every third run 30k or 40k long tempos. (his pre 2017 log is available http://www.sweatelite.co/eliud-kipchoge-full-training-log-leading-marathon-world-record-attempt/

I hate this "He/they (whoever)' is better because they train easier. Doping or not, the dudes work hard. They work harder than anyone else in the world.
The article is only wrong if it indicated marathon pace. If he is running intervals they could be @80-90%max r pace or lactate threshold..it doesnt say marathon pace it says of his max. His max is way above marathon pace.

Still, doped to the gills no matter what training he is doing.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jan/25/olympic-marathon-champion-jemima-sumgong-doping-ban-doubled-kenya-
Jemima Sumgong, the 2016 Olympic marathon champion, has had her doping ban increased to eight years after her claims that she was injected with EPO by an “imposter” at a Kenyan hospital during a doctor’s strike were dismissed.

The unprecedented sanction was made after the IAAF’s independent disciplinary tribunal ruled there was “compelling evidence” Sumgong had also fabricated her medical records and lied about her whereabouts after a positive test for EPO in 2017, for which she later received a four-year ban.

That ban was doubled by the IAAF on Friday after the tribunal, chaired by Michael Beloff QC, decided that Sumgong had committed a second anti-doping offence of “tampering with a doping control”. Because of changes to the World Anti-Doping Agency code the 34-year-old Kenyan was able to be punished with another four-year ban. The ruling means Sumgong, who was the first Kenyan woman to win Olympic marathon gold, is banned until 3 April 2025.
"imposter", really ...
 
https://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/47095072
Doping bans for 12 Russian athletes including 2012 Olympic champion Ivan Ukhov

London 2012 Olympic high jump champion Ivan Ukhov is among 12 Russian track and field athletes banned for doping by the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

Cas says the athletes "participated in and/or benefited from anabolic steroid doping programs and benefited from specific protective methods" from London 2012 to the 2013 World Championships in Moscow.

The banned athletes are:

Tatyana Firova (400m) - four-year ban from 9 June 2016
Svetlana Shkolina (high jump) - four-year ban from 1 February 2019
Ivan Ukhov (high jump) - four-year ban from 1 February 2019
Lyukman Adams (triple jump) - four-year ban from 31 January 2019
Anna Bulgakova (hammer throw) - four-year ban from 29 March 2017
Gulfiya Agafonova-Khanafeeva (hammer throw) - eight-year ban from 6 January 2017
Tatyana Lysenko Beloborodva (hammer throw) - eight-year ban from 2 July 2016
Ivan Yushkov (shot put) - four-year ban from 2 July 2016
Mariya Bespalova (hammer throw) - already suspended since 26 October 2015
Vera Ganeeva (discus) - two-year ban from 2 July 2018
Yekaterina Galitskaia (100m hurdles) - four-year ban from 1 February 2019
Yuliya Kondakova (100m hurdles) - four-year ban from 1 February 2019
 
http://tass.com/sport/1043593
The Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) has suspended Russian race walker Anisya Kirdyapkina for three years for doping violation, All-Russia Athletic Federation (ARAF) Spokesperson Natalya Yukhareva told TASS.

"CAS has ruled to suspend Kirdyapkina based on abnormal blood counts in her biological passport," Yukhareva said. "The athlete has the right to appeal against the decision," she added.

The suspension period starts on July 27, 2017. In addition, the court also annulled Kirdyapkina’s results from February 25, 2011, to October 11, 2013. The case against the Russian athlete was initiated by the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF).

According to Ikonnikova, Kirdyapkina was a member of the biological passport program like many other Russian race walkers. "At some point, the IAAF came to the conclusion that her blood counts were abnormal and initiated a case. She was temporarily suspended in July 2017," the ARAF official said.

"As far as I understand, the first abnormal blood counts were registered on February 25, 2011, this is the date from which her results were annulled," Ikonnikova explained. "Why was she suspended for three years instead of the usual two, like it should have been in accordance with the anti-doping rules? Perhaps, there were aggravating circumstances," she said.
 
https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/news/2019-02/wada-declares-the-democratic-peoples-republic-of-korea-anti-doping-committee-non
The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) announces that the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK) Anti-Doping Committee (DPRK Anti-Doping Committee) is, effective today, non-compliant with the World Anti-Doping Code (Code).

This follows the decision of WADA’s Executive Committee (ExCo), at its meeting of 20 September 2018, to endorse the recommendation of the Agency’s independent Compliance Review Committee (CRC) to assert the DPRK Anti-Doping Committee as non-compliant with the Code if the DPRK Anti-Doping Committee failed to meet a four-month deadline to correct non-conformities related to the implementation of its testing program.

On 21 January 2019, these non-conformities remained outstanding. As a result, WADA sent the DPRK Anti-Doping Committee a formal notice of non-compliance as per Article 9.4.5 of the International Standard for Code Compliance by Signatories (ISCCS). The DPRK Anti-Doping Committee had 21 days following the date of receipt of the formal notice of non-compliance to dispute WADA’s assertion of non-compliance, as well as the proposed consequences and/or the reinstatement conditions proposed by the Agency, as per ISCCS Article 10.3.1.
"Rocket Man" gets told to sort out the "non-conformities".
 
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Good article on the lastest Kenyan doping busts. The country's first two provisional suspensions for an ABP violation occurred within a couple of months of each other this year (one involving one of their top marathoners). All of the numerous busts over the last few years have been OOC hits for mainly EPO & androgens. Now WADA is starting to get them on BP anomalies. Could be the start of something interesting:

https://www.letsrun.com/news/2019/04/kenyan-5000m-runner-cyrus-rutto-suspended-for-abp-violation-what-does-it-mean-for-the-sport-and-for-his-coach-patrick-sang/
 
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Another top Kenyan runner, this time a WR holder, provisionally suspended for an ABP violation:

"Half Marathon WR Holder Abraham Kiptum Suspended for ABP Violation Two Days Before London Marathon"

https://www.letsrun.com/news/2019/04/half-marathon-wr-holder-abraham-kiptum-suspended-for-abp-violation-two-days-before-london-marathon/

This makes three (3) top Kenyan runners provisionally suspended for an ABP violation in just the last 3 months!

https://www.athleticsintegrity.org/disciplinary-process/provisional-suspensions-in-force
 
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There is an interesting case with Clémence Calvin, who was controlled OOC while training in Morocco a few weeks before the Paris marathon (where she finished 4th and set a new French record). She says she was roughed up by the controllers who had presented themselves as French police, the French anti-doping agency tells a completely different story. In any case she ran from the controllers, supposedly while her husband/coach restrained them, and was not tested.

Stade 2 went to Morocco to find out more, and discovered that she had changed locations 13 times in a 2 week period, and the address she had given the day of the control was the home of a family that had no knowledge of her when in fact she was staying a block away. While investigating, the Stade 2 crew were followed by someone who was identified as a journalist friend of Calvin. There is also talk of a connection to Ifrane, Morocco which is a known doping haven for track athletes.

https://sport.francetvinfo.fr/athletisme/enquete-sur-la-piste-de-clemence-calvin
 
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/may/06/ineos-eliud-kipchoge-attempt-break-marathon-two-hour-barrier-london
Ineos to back Eliud Kipchoge’s attempt to break two-hour marathon barrier

The attempt is bound to generate controversy, however, given it is financed by the richest man in Britain, Jim Ratcliffe, whose petrochemical company Ineos has faced protests from environmentalists for its business practices, use of plastics and links to fracking.
What could possibly go wrong?! :lol:

EDIT - Saw this from Matt Lawton - https://twitter.com/Matt_Lawton_DM/status/1125301759415672832
If @INEOS want us to take this seriously, how about paying for Kipchoge to be tested every week between now and October with the results published?
 
https://www.dn.se/sport/os-tvaan-i-maraton-avstangd-for-bloddopning/
https://www.si.com/olympics/2019/05/21/eunice-kirwa-doping-epo-suspended-athletics-integrity-unit-olympic-marathon-silver-medalist
Olympic silver medalist Eunice Kirwa of Bahrain has been provisionally suspended by the Athletics Integrity Unit after testing positive for EPO, a blood-boosting drug. Kirwa finished second in the women's marathon in the 2016 Summer Olympics in Rio de Janeiro behind Kenya's Jemima Sumong.

Sumgong is currently serving an eight-year suspension after she tested positive for EPO in 2017. She was initially banned for four years but appealed the suspension and then lied at her doping hearing. An independent arbiter determined she provided false records of a hospital visit to try and justify her failed drug test. Since the positive test came after the Olympics, she will hold onto her gold medal from the 2016 Summer Games but cannot compete again until 2027
 
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Robert5091 said:
She was initially banned for four years but appealed the suspension and then lied at her doping hearing. An independent arbiter determined she provided false records of a hospital visit to try and justify her failed drug test.
That's hilarious, I hadn't heard that story before. Apparently she claimed she was unknowingly injected with EPO for legit medical reasons, but by a fake doctor and thus leaving no paper trail, or something. Pretty creative. :lol:
 
https://tass.com/sport/1066880
Russian long-distance runner Ilyas Nurgaliyev has been suspended for a two-year term over violations of anti-doping regulations, the press service of the All-Russia Athletics Federation (RusAF) announced on Wednesday.

According to the press service, a doping sample of the 23-year-old track and field athlete tested positive for banned performance enhancing drug Oxilofrine.

The two-year suspension of Nurgaliyev starts from August 10, 2018, while all of his athletic results after July 21, 2018 will be cancelled.
 

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