Doping in other sports?

[Libertine Seguros]

I think those two things are unimportant, I don't care about them. I think his actions seem to be on the side of what's good, so far. And that's good enough for me.

Cool. I think Magnus' conduct - and the fact that he has this orbit of disciples and much of the chess world is unwilling to call him out - cheapens what positive outcome there may be, and this appears to be the difference between us. Even if he may be right, I can't just excuse all his histrionics as being above reproach.

But hey, we know from cycling that we have different viewpoints on how much peoples' personal conduct away from their vocation should impact our stance on them within their vocation, so I'm happy to agree that Magnus is probably right to call out Hans, disagree on interpretation of Magnus' conduct in doing so, and leave it there.

 

[Netserk]

Speaking of second order effects:

Sjakkpresidenten trekker seg etter NRKs jukseavsløring

Etter massivt press har sjakkpresident Joachim Birger Nilsen valgt å trekke seg. Det skjer bare ett døgn etter NRKs avsløring om at sjakkpresidenten erkjente juks.

www.nrk.no

And from VG:

Norsk sjakkpresident innrømmer juks: – Må stille spørsmål om han er rett mann til å lede forbundet

Joachim Birger Nilsen (29) innrømmer å ha jukset. NRK-ekspert Torstein Bae er usikker på om han kan fortsette i vervet som president for sjakkforbundet.

www.vg.no

Det er en sørgelig sak, og det blir stadig mer klart at dette handler om en kultur i norsk og internasjonal sjakk hvor juks på nettet har foregått i massivt omfang. Og det har heller ikke blitt tatt så alvorlig som det burde ha blitt, sier Bae til VG.

Jeg visste at han hadde jukset. Alle sjakkfolk visste om det. Men det er fint at han står frem. Jeg synes ikke at han burde blitt president, men han har sikkert gjort en god jobb, sier Hauge.

 

[Nick2413]

Speaking of second order effects:

Sjakkpresidenten trekker seg etter NRKs jukseavsløring

Etter massivt press har sjakkpresident Joachim Birger Nilsen valgt å trekke seg. Det skjer bare ett døgn etter NRKs avsløring om at sjakkpresidenten erkjente juks.

www.nrk.no

And from VG:

Norsk sjakkpresident innrømmer juks: – Må stille spørsmål om han er rett mann til å lede forbundet

Joachim Birger Nilsen (29) innrømmer å ha jukset. NRK-ekspert Torstein Bae er usikker på om han kan fortsette i vervet som president for sjakkforbundet.

www.vg.no

Can you give a 10 second rundown for someone who can only speak English?

 

[Netserk]

Norwegian Chess Federation President Resigns After Admitting To Cheating

IM Joachim Birger Nilsen (29) resigned as the president of the Norwegian Chess Federation, a day after admitting to cheating on Chess.com during one match in the 2016-2017 season of the PRO Chess League. Nilsen was part of the Norway Gnomes team, as was GM Magnus Carlsen at the time. Nilsen...

www.chess.com

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Norwegian Chess Federation President Resigns After Admitting To Cheating

IM Joachim Birger Nilsen (29) resigned as the president of the Norwegian Chess Federation, a day after admitting to cheating on Chess.com during one match in the 2016-2017 season of the PRO Chess League. Nilsen was part of the Norway Gnomes team, as was GM Magnus Carlsen at the time. Nilsen...

www.chess.com

Like a house of cards that is collapsing, who's next?

 

[kingjr]

Sure, but there are far more diplomatic ways to do it, too, and given the status and gravitas that Carlsen has as a name and a voice in the chess community, to just go "take ball go home" and then resign by switching the webcam off and tantruming out of the room, rather than actually say anything about what he wasn't happy with (leaving us with that Mourinho interview post) while speculation ran wild?

Even if he may have been right about Hans, and certainly there had been plenty questioning him before all this kicked off anyway given his history and rapid development, if you didn't know who either of them were and were just given their ages, you'd have been forgiven for thinking Magnus was the teenager and Niemann the 30-something from their behaviour after the game that sparked it.

Niemann definitely does not come across like a 30-something from his behaviour.

 

[steffr222]

Croatian football player Mario Vuskovic (Hamburger SV, 2nd Bundesliga in Germany) had a positive test - with EPO. This is unusual and quite interesting, we all know here there’s no EPO in football lol lol lol

That‘s going to be exciting.

DFB: Positiver Dopingtest bei HSV-Profi Vuskovic – Vorläufige Sperre bestätigt

Nach einer positiven Dopingprobe hat der Deutsche Fußball-Bund ein Verfahren gegen HSV-Profi Mario Vuskovic eingeleitet. Wie der DFB am Samstag mitteilte, [...]

www.transfermarkt.de

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Croatian football player Mario Vuskovic (Hamburger SV, 2nd Bundesliga in Germany) had a positive test - with EPO. This is unusual and quite interesting, we all know here there’s no EPO in football lol lol lol

That‘s going to be exciting.

DFB: Positiver Dopingtest bei HSV-Profi Vuskovic – Vorläufige Sperre bestätigt

Nach einer positiven Dopingprobe hat der Deutsche Fußball-Bund ein Verfahren gegen HSV-Profi Mario Vuskovic eingeleitet. Wie der DFB am Samstag mitteilte, [...]

www.transfermarkt.de

Wow, and he's only 20!

There are probably some bigger stars they could pop in the Bundesliga, but I suppose this guy will do for now.

 

[Potomac]

If chess counts as an acceptable topic then certainly cheating at Wordle deserves to to be discussed. Very possibly it's own thread.

It seems like a lot of you are cheating at Wordle: Study

A study of Google search trends by Wordfinderx shows exponential growth in people looking online for the daily Wordle answer. But that doesn't necessarily mean Wordle has gotten harder since it was acquired by The New York Times.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Sciatic]

Another article forthe subthread of “Doping in not-really Sports”:

https://wapo.st/3PaD3Z7

Yuck!

 

[BigCoward]

Not really doping, but pretty much the whole Cameroon youth team tested and found to be much much older than they claimed.

 

[Salvarani]

Not really doping, but pretty much the whole Cameroon youth team tested and found to be much much older than they claimed.

Sadly, this has been pretty common when it comes to a lot of African youth teams in the past.

 

[RedheadDane]

I know this isn't technically doping, but... WTF?

Virginia basketball coach fired for impersonating 13-year-old in game | Basketball | The Guardian

Just to clarify, the coach is a 23-year-old woman.

 

[BR2]

I know this isn't technically doping, but... WTF?

Virginia basketball coach fired for impersonating 13-year-old in game | Basketball | The Guardian

Just to clarify, the coach is a 23-year-old woman.

Well, I had to show my ID card when I wanted to buy sparkling wine for New Year's... which is legal from 16years on...

 

[Potomac]

I know this isn't technically doping, but... WTF?

Virginia basketball coach fired for impersonating 13-year-old in game | Basketball | The Guardian

Just to clarify, the coach is a 23-year-old woman.

That sounds like a great movie! So many tropes
Force of Five
Band of Misfits
There's gotta be a practice montage. Maybe taking the free throws.
Overcoming the odds

 

[King Boonen]

Amir Khan banned. The usual 'I don't know how it happened', and 'It was a tiny amount which wouldn't have done anything' because obviously that's how metabolism and testing work... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/65173545

 

[Aimar16]

A polish football player has been suspended by UEFA for three months after testing positive for chlorothalidone -

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1646444786235109377

View: https://twitter.com/LechPoznan/status/1646444786235109377

 

[Rob5091]

Motor doping? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...on-runner-47-disqualified-race-using-CAR.html
Rivals call for record-breaking British ultra-marathon runner, 47, to be kicked out of the sport after she was 'DRIVEN at 35mph for part of a 50-mile race because she felt sick'

 

[Rico044]

Collin Chartier Banned 3 Years for EPO

The U.S. based athlete did not challenge the results of an out of competition test.

www.slowtwitch.com

Surprised this hasn't been discussed yet.

Huge name in the tri world popped for EPO.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Tri seems to have a problem with blood/EPO, there was a few big busts before the Olympics too.

 

[Armchair cyclist]

Motor doping? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...on-runner-47-disqualified-race-using-CAR.html
Rivals call for record-breaking British ultra-marathon runner, 47, to be kicked out of the sport after she was 'DRIVEN at 35mph for part of a 50-mile race because she felt sick'

Any relation to Robert Young?

 

[Sciatic]

Collin Chartier Banned 3 Years for EPO

The U.S. based athlete did not challenge the results of an out of competition test.

www.slowtwitch.com

Surprised this hasn't been discussed yet.

Huge name in the tri world popped for EPO.

What seems most unusual is his owning up to it right away and not rolling out some mind-numbing excuse. I wonder how stringent testing is in triathlon compared to cycling?

 

[Rico044]

What seems most unusual is his owning up to it right away and not rolling out some mind-numbing excuse. I wonder how stringent testing is in triathlon compared to cycling?

Yea I can respect the fact that there were no BS excuses. That said, if anyone believes his "confession", then I have a bridge to sell you.....

Basically this guy had a break out year last year. Won an ironman as well as a huge triathlon in Dallas that had big money. Yet, he claims that he didn't start to dope until this past off-season. Like cmon....you win some awesome races against the best in the world while clean, and then you decide to dope?! Someone wants to hang on to their prize money.

 

[Sciatic]

Yea I can respect the fact that there were no BS excuses. That said, if anyone believes his "confession", then I have a bridge to sell you.....

Basically this guy had a break out year last year. Won an ironman as well as a huge triathlon in Dallas that had big money. Yet, he claims that he didn't start to dope until this past off-season. Like cmon....you win some awesome races against the best in the world while clean, and then you decide to dope?! Someone wants to hang on to their prize money.

Oops, I missed that part, glad you pointed that out. There is this interesting psychological phenomenon with dopers that even when Admitting they doped they carve out an area where they still deny. Okay, this is a small sample size but I’m referring to Floyd’s “yea I doped but I really, really wasn’t using testosterone that I tested positive for,” Tyler says something like that it in his book about one type of doping, and some others I can’t recall right now.
In this case, as you point out, there’s a clear monetary incentive to say “I did but I didn’t then.”

 

[Aragon]

Tri seems to have a problem with blood/EPO, there was a few big busts before the Olympics too.

Indeed looks like this is the case.

One shouldn't still conclude that every successful triathlete is doping. The benefit from EPO is likely significant in the shorter sprint/olympic distances, but not necessarily that much so in the Ironman distances, when the competition takes almost 8 hours. The effort is well below lactate threshold, and the oxygen supply and demand are quite adequately matched in the course of the race. Likely there is some benefit from higher thresholds, higher body pH level and better thermoregulation, when more blood can be diverted towards dissipating heat.

When Soviet scientists researched blood doping on efforts of different duration in the 1970s, they observed that 800m and 1500m runners improved their performance by ~3 % but 10000m runners only by ~1 %. It is still noteworthy that when Conconi told Donati about the benefits of transfusions in 1981-1982, he made no mention of diminishing returns with longer distances.