Doping in other sports?

[gooner]

Mäntyranta's nephew Pertti Teurajärvi was an olympic athlete in the 70's & 80's, with modest results compared to Mäntyranta. He probably carried the gene though, as it is a dominant gene in the family and as common in men and women.

Mäntyranta's gene mutation and hemoglobin levels come up every now and then when doping is discussed in Finnish media. One question that came up after FIS introduced the 170 Hb level limit, is how FIS would have treated an athlete with a hemoglobin level naturally higher than that.

Yes, it says he had it in the book.

I haven't read Epstein's book so I don't know if this is old news, but this obituary of Finnish cross-country skier Eero Mäntyranta is quite interesting, and in amid the discussion of Mäntyranta as a person as you might expect from an obituary, there is anecdotal evidence of experiments done to show that Mäntyranta had a genetic condition that made him hypersensitive to EPO (of course his career was many, many moons before the synthetic EPO in sport era so perhaps that aspect shouldn't be lingered on so much as that this experiment could give some insight as to why EPO doesn't affect all competitors equally and give scientists some indicators on what makes someone a super-responder).

It also makes you wonder, how good would Mäntyranta have been had he been around in the 90s?

I read The Sports Gene over the Christmas period and it was my initial reaction as well to this section.

A couple of things:

At times, Eero's extraordinary red blood cell count - measured at up to 65 percent higher than that of an average man.

But when hematologist Eeva Juvonen examined Eero's bone marrow cells in the lab, she saw something astonishing. In order to test whether his bone marrow cells - which produce red blood cells - were particular sensitive to EPO, the research protocol was to add EPO to a cell sample and track red blood cell production. Eero's bone marrow cells began the process of creating red blood cells before Juvonen could even stimulate them with EPO. Whatever tiny speck of EPO that was already in the sample was enough to keep the red cell factories luminating. So it was clear that Eero's body heeded the call of even trace quantities of EPO with extraordinary vigour.

Really enjoyed this book. Great research by Epstein.

EDIT: Just seen that this section is referenced in Libertine's link.

 

[mikeoneill]

I followed Hitch's method, EPO era, eastern bloc etc. That said there weren't many I ticked as clean.

unfortunately they 'buried' the results of the poll for some reason lol

you can try this one instead
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=5574379

 

[Briant_Gumble]

Curious to hear the outcome of the Jamaican disciplinary hearing going on with Asafa Powell and Sherrone Simpson.

As it's now around 2.30 in Jamaica, I guess the result should be coming in a couple of hours.

However, isn't this the same panel that acquired Veronica Campbell Brown?

 

[Briant_Gumble]

Some claims from Sherone Simpson that even a sour orange could cause a positive drug test.

http://www.stabroeknews.com/2014/sports/01/10/sherone-simpsons-doping-case-pushed-back/

I think this is BS and ridiculous.

 

[Franklin]

Some claims from Sherone Simpson that even a sour orange could cause a positive drug test.

http://www.stabroeknews.com/2014/sports/01/10/sherone-simpsons-doping-case-pushed-back/

I think this is BS and ridiculous.

She's not explicitily claiming that her case is due to sour oranges, but she surely tries to invoke an image of contamination and tries to downplay the significance.

The problem is of course that it's not isolated and considering the direction it goes (almost) certainly not foodpoisoning.. What's left to decide did they take it willingly or not? But considering they are focussing on a supplement you would expect the sentence to stand (see AC).

 

[Briant_Gumble]

She's not explicitily claiming that her case is due to sour oranges, but she surely tries to invoke an image of contamination and tries to downplay the significance.

Yes I agree, she seems to be playing a credible damage limitation exercise. A key point is that she said she was paranoid about checking her supplements before taking them - too many athletes have tried to play too dumb.

I think she hopes to get off with a minor sentence and minimal loss of sponsorship.

I can't blame her too harshly for it but it's annoying that the truth won't come out.

An image of the easy to circumvent drug testing procedures as strenuous to the point of anal retentiveness is hardly needed.

 

[Catwhoorg]

A-Roids ban confirmed for the whole 2014 MLB season.

Personally I think they should have turned the punishment all the way up to 'Lance'.
A year for distributing as well as use ? US pro sports has a long way to go before even having the beginnings of a credible anti-doping policy.

 

[mikeoneill]

Distribution?

All I read was 'use' and 'obstruction of investigation'

 

[DirtyWorks]

..
An image of the easy to circumvent drug testing procedures as strenuous to the point of anal retentiveness is hardly needed.

You are mistaken. The testing was VERY strenuous. The federation made sure Jamaican athletes never tested positive outside the country.

For the newer reader, this scandal inspired the IOC set up WADA in the first place. The national Olympic Committees were making sure their athletes never tested positive before arriving at an Olympics. The sports federations are still doing it.

WADA/bio-passport is good theater, but it seems like cracks are beginning to show in the artifice.

 

[Swifty's Cakes]

Some claims from Sherone Simpson that even a sour orange could cause a positive drug test.

http://www.stabroeknews.com/2014/sports/01/10/sherone-simpsons-doping-case-pushed-back/

I think this is BS and ridiculous.

So thats what Ferrari meant about Orange Juice being as dangerous as EPO. It all makes sense now.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

http://www.plosone.org/article/fetc....1371/journal.pone.0078702&representation=PDF

Doping in German amateur ranks of the triathalon

2,987 questionnaires were returned (99.7%). 12-month prevalences for physical and cognitive doping were 13.0% and 15.1%, respectively. The prevalence estimate for physical doping was significantly higher in athletes who also used physical enhancers, as well as in athletes who took part in the European Championship in Frankfurt compared to those who did not. The prevalence estimate for cognitive doping was significantly higher in athletes who also used physical and cognitive enhancers. Moreover, the use of physical and cognitive enhancers were significantly associated and also the use of physical and cognitive doping.

Cognitive doping is referred to as things like anti-depressents. Enhancing are things that are not banned, but a physical or cognitive effect (supplements)

 

[BigMac]

Asafa Powell says he was injected by current Bayern München doctor Müller-Wohlfahrt.








lol

 

[Briant_Gumble]

Powell and Simpsons hearing put off until mid February.

http://olympictalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/16/asafa-powell-track-and-field-doping-hearing-jamaica/

I'm really hoping they get at least a year.

 

[Netserk]

Yuliya Efimova Tests Positive for Dehydroepiandrosterone

LAUSANNE, Switzerland, January 17. IN huge news from Europe, Russian breaststroke superstar Yuliya Efimova has tested positive for the drug dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA). According to SovSport in Russia, Efimova only has tested positive with her A sample, and her B sample has yet to be tested.

SovSport is reporting that the positive test occurred out of competition in October, around the time of the FINA World Cup. Should the B sample test positive, Efimova is facing at least two years off the shelf in the sport.

 

[Flamin]

Yuliya Efimova Tests Positive for Dehydroepiandrosterone

Lol. Should have tuned it down after the Worlds great battles with Meilutyte there, when she broke the WR in the heats, then Meilu broke it in the semis, then Efi took revenge in the final again.

 

[Jack (6 ch)]

Asafa Powell says he was injected by current Bayern München doctor Müller-Wohlfahrt.








lol

Surely some enterprising journalist will pick up on M-W's links to all his miracle cures of footballers over the years?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

In a sport as far removed from cycling as you could get, I found the following paragraph completely stunning in its mimicry of countless dopers and suspected dopers the world over:

When I first started freediving I thought that world records were set by freaks of nature — people who were just different from the rest of us. After 13 years in the sport and after having achieved seven world and 13 national records, I can tell you it's not that way at all. Records are set by ordinary people who dream big and who find the drive and desire to train harder than everyone else. They let themselves achieve the unimaginable.

- See more at: http://www.alertdiver.com/Competiti...twork+(DAN)&sf21452199=1#sthash.Fj0J8qlA.dpuf

 

[Benotti69]

about time someone with cred put their head above the parapet

IndoSport ‏@IndoSport 15h
Neil Francis*: 'I find it hard to reconcile the body shapes in rugby with the lack of positive tests.'

*Neil Francis is a retired Irish rugby union lock forward and number eight. He played for Blackrock College, London Irish, Old Belvedere, Leinster and won 36 caps between 1987 and 1996 for Ireland

 

[JackRabbitSlims]

When Neil Francis played International rugby, the sport was amateur.
Now that we have a fully professional code all the way from Domestic competitions through to International play....of course you will see a difference in the "Shapes" of the players.

Compare the body shapes of amateur riders and those of the pros.

When you don't have to hold down a 9-5 job and you spend 6-7 days a week involved in some sort of professional training for your specific sport..what do you think will happen to your body??

Compare the shape and size of Rugby players from the 70's, 80's, 90's etc as training methods become more specific, specialised and refined with science, along with changes in Nutrition, supplements, the importance of rest and recovery, sport psychology etc...of course you will see a change.

Form Follows Function.

 

[Benotti69]

When Neil Francis played International rugby, the sport was amateur.
Now that we have a fully professional code all the way from Domestic competitions through to International play....of course you will see a difference in the "Shapes" of the players.

Compare the body shapes of amateur riders and those of the pros.

When you don't have to hold down a 9-5 job and you spend 6-7 days a week involved in some sort of professional training for your specific sport..what do you think will happen to your body??

Compare the shape and size of Rugby players from the 70's, 80's, 90's etc as training methods become more specific, specialised and refined with science, along with changes in Nutrition, supplements, the importance of rest and recovery, sport psychology etc...of course you will see a change.

Form Follows Function.

So Rugby players dont dope? Yeah another unicorn believer...........

 

[JackRabbitSlims]

please indicate where in my post I said that Rugby players do not dope??

 

[Dazed and Confused]

So Rugby players dont dope? Yeah another unicorn believer...........

Technically advanced food and diets:

Better liquids too:

 

[Benotti69]

please indicate where in my post I said that Rugby players do not dope??

please indicate where your post says Rugby is another sport rife with doping....

 

[Briant_Gumble]

IMHO, so much BS when it comes to nutrition and it's usually such a smokescreen for doping.

There's Calories in vs calories out and satisfying your macronutrient ratio's. Beyond that nothing really makes that much difference unless you get massively deficient in one particular nutrient which seems very unlikely.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Just in the UK

7 players in Union currently serving a doping ban (6 English 1 Welsh)
2 Rugby League players currently serving a ban