Doping in other sports?

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BeagRigh

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mrhender said:
Hmm...
Picture on right is from last season, left is current..

Any thoughts?

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Never mind the transformation, is that a livestrong wrist band?? :eek:
 
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40 year old Jo Pavey winning the 10000m European Championship Final is Horner-esque. A very average runner until she was in her 30s...
 
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del1962

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LaPlagne87 said:
40 year old Jo Pavey winning the 10000m European Championship Final is Horner-esque. A very average runner until she was in her 30s...
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Not sure if a worlds 3000m bronze in your 20s puts you at very average till your 30s
 
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Did you see the time?

Slow.

Ingrid Kristiansen was running over 2 minutes faster nearly 30 years ago. I doubt that time was in the top 2000 all time
 
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Netserk

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I think he was referring to this though not exactly what I would call 'worlds'. Just one week before she turned 30...
 
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keeponrollin

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What do we think about ROIDY Mcilroy ???
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God help me; I agree with Canuck :eek:

I don't see anything in the younger golfers physics that isn't achievable thru a decent diet & a modest amount of gym time for someone under 30. If I remember correctly Rory said himself that he didn't do any Gym work until he started going out with Woz, & she was the one who got him started with a trainer & a training plan; so essentially he was starting from zero, so could only go upwards.

Furthermore, I think there are good reasons to believe why steroids are unlikely. While you can add muscle mass, & drive the ball further with steroids, they do nothing to make the ball go straighter, & that's probably more important on the Pro circuit. I thought it was interesting that over the last couple of weeks there was a lot of comment around how much weight Darren Clarke had lost, & people were congratulating him on it, as he'd always been the traditional golfer shape :D His comment was that the loss of weigh had basically destroyed his game, until he learned how to adjust. I think the phrase he used was; "it felt like someone else's body". I think the Risk/Reward for that kind of doping in golf, especially for someone who's already in the top 10, just isn't rational !

To maintain your swing mechanics, which is the core of a Pro's game, you can only adjust slowly, or else you'll end up driving the ball 300m, but 20m off target, which is the difference between making the cut & having a two day tournament. If you have to do it slowly, & you're a Pro, why not do it legally ? I can drive the ball 300m, so can any number of sloggers, just don't expect it to be on the fairway at the end of the flightpath.

If you're looking for doping in Golf, I'd say 90% is related to injury recovery. Not playing means not earning, & not earning means losing your tour card. The other 10% is recreational, & we've seen that there's no such thing as recreational doping in Golf :rolleyes:

I think one of the advantages I'd use if I were McIlroy, would be to get Nike to squeeze every last gram of advantage out the club & ball design. Have them customized down to the nth degree, & they should be able to get you a reliable 10m on every hole, & you're in the rules !
 
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Anyone who is reasonably fit has a V shape torso. If you are a jock and stay in shape you have a V shaped torso. I am 66. I run and bike regularly and I have a V shape torso. Most of my hiking pals have V shaped torsos. I can still occasionally hit a drive 300 yards. Some people naturally have V shaped torsos. Give it a break. You have succumbed to the standard cynical Clinic mantra that as soon as you do something great in sport, you must be on dope.

Your theory sounds like phrenology run amok. Your speculation is just that - unsubstantiated, baseless, rumour mongering and gossipy best found in a tabloid. Specious. I would put the odds at 0%.
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Rory occasionally hits the ball 436 yrds !
 
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Franklin

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Anybody can get into that shape, if they got off their couch.
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Cutting through your sarcasm: yes, I'd say that this is easily achievable by training (which is not saying this is certainly not from pills!), especially for a younger man.

He was already in good shape (not overweight) and in a year you can really tone your muscles with just a few hours of gym a week. 1 hour a day should be plenty (many people would get great results with half that). They do cardio during other sessions, so an hour just high intensity muscle building is a lot. Keep in mind that an important part of muscle toning is low fat and though they aren't cyclists, they have plenty of reasons to stay fit/low fat. Considering these guys pretty much live by improving their body (and many have a narcistic streak) this is not implausible.

Same for the golfers. You don't need doping to get that body.

But as this is no proof for doping, it's certainly not proof they aren't either. It's just inconclusive.

Also, this fashion with big biceps on soccer players is stupid. The added bulk can even work against them. It's a physical sport for sure, but armpresses seem to have a rather discutable value in football^^
 
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Franklin said:
Cutting through your sarcasm: yes, I'd say that this is easily achievable by training (which is not saying this is certainly not from pills!), especially for a younger man.

He was already in good shape (not overweight) and in a year you can really tone your muscles with just a few hours of gym a week. 1 hour a day should be plenty (many people would get great results with half that). They do cardio during other sessions, so an hour just high intensity muscle building is a lot. Considering these guys pretty much live by improving their body (and many have a narcistic streak) this is not implausible.

Same for the golfers. You don't need doping to get that body.

But as this is no proof for doping, it's certainly not proof they aren't either. It's just inconclusive.

Also, this fashion with big biceps on soccer players is stupid. The added bulk can even work against them. It's a physical sport for sure, but armpresses seem to have a rather discutable value in football^^
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A Stopper/central defender or a full blown centre forward in the Drogba/Rooney/Ronaldo (the Brazilian) style can benefit from a little extra physical presence at the cost of mobility but they're the only positions I can think of that would. Neymar Jnr would probably benefit from a little time in the gym imo.
 
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A Stopper/central defender or a full blown centre forward in the Drogba/Rooney/Ronaldo (the Brazilian) style can benefit from a little extra physical presence at the cost of mobility but they're the only positions I can think of that would. Neymar Jnr would probably benefit from a little time in the gym imo.
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Sure, a little extra can help both defenders and strikers, but big biceps?

I think quite a bit of this fad is them being positioned as fashion models and straight up vanity. Football players changed from following fashion a few years after the fact (mullet!) to being fashion icons. A lot of them deeply care about their looks.
 
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