Doping in other sports?

[wansteadimp]

corey pain (5 foot nuthin, rassmussen poundage)

Yeah, Pavin was short off the tee and got it done with accuracy and short game. Woosnam was one of the longest players on tour when he was around.

The 446yard drive, was downhill, down wind on a course that was playing like a runway, not so impressive. Now mis-hitting a 3 wood 284 yards to 7 foot (downhill but on a soggy course) is a lot more impressive.

As was mentioned above Wozniaki got Rory to work on his fitness, he started from a low base so any improvement will have helped his game. It may also be one of the many reasons for his struggles last year, changing your strength/fitness even by a small amount will throw out the swing a bit until you settle down with it.

We all know that tennis players never touch PEDs, so it is no impossible Woz introduced him to someone. However, I'd be tempted to think that Woz is clean. Her spell at No 1 coincided with the Williams sisters being injured/ill and was before the Duracell bunnies came along (Errani, Halep, Radwanska), since they came back/arrived on the scene her ranking has dropped off. But I'd easily be persuaded the other way too.

 

[King Boonen]

If you believe that Rory needed PEDs to get in the shape he is in now then I really do suggest you put down the Krispy Kreme box and go for a walk.

 

[wansteadimp]

If you believe that Rory needed PEDs to get in the shape he is in now then I really do suggest you put down the Krispy Kreme box and go for a walk.

I don't think he needs them (or used them), but that doesn't mean he didn't use them.

 

[Andynonomous]

If you believe that Lance needed PEDs to get in the shape he is in now then I really do suggest you put down the Krispy Kreme box and go for a walk.

Agreed....

 

[Andynonomous]

Rory McIlroy Thinks Breakup With Caroline Wozniacki Helped Him Improve

He thinks his game improved after the breakup, because he had MORE time to workout, than he did when he had a girlfriend.

 

[Andynonomous]

McIlroy on doping: 'I think golf is clean'

Hm. This is exactly what Nadal says about tennis.

 

[Andynonomous]

McIlroy backs Singh over doping case

Just like Millar backing Lance (Omerta) ?

 

[Andynonomous]

This is pure speculation, but think about it. Rory McIlroy was once a polite, enjoyable guy who was amazingly open. In the past year, he’s taken to cursing on the golf course, throwing and slamming clubs, and has even stormed off the course mid-round claiming an injury he later admitted was bogus. The media often asks Graeme McDowell about McIlroy, and you’ve probably noticed Graeme — unfailingly classy — answers politely, but adds as an aside that he doesn’t see Rory much these days, so we can add that to the list of behavior changes for McIlroy.

Ya, it's speculation, but there was a lot of "speculation" on Armstrong from insiders as well.

I stand by my opinion that there is an 80% chance McIlroy is juicing.

 

[Parker]

This is pure speculation, but think about it. Rory McIlroy was once a polite, enjoyable guy who was amazingly open. In the past year, he’s taken to cursing on the golf course, throwing and slamming clubs, and has even stormed off the course mid-round claiming an injury he later admitted was bogus. The media often asks Graeme McDowell about McIlroy, and you’ve probably noticed Graeme — unfailingly classy — answers politely, but adds as an aside that he doesn’t see Rory much these days, so we can add that to the list of behavior changes for McIlroy.

Ya, it's speculation, but there was a lot of "speculation" on Armstrong from insiders as well.

I stand by my opinion that there is an 80% chance McIlroy is juicing.

My god, you're desperate.

He's in decent shape - nothing special : you think this means he's doping
He thinks golf is clean - maybe it is : you think this means he's doping
He backs Singh - he'd been cleared by WADA : you think this means he's doping
He's a little more tetchy - he's under more pressure : you think this means he's doping

Have you become so utterly obsessed with doping that you think it is the only explanation for anything?

 

[Andynonomous]

My god, you're desperate.

He's in decent shape - nothing special : you think this means he's doping
He thinks golf is clean - maybe it is : you think this means he's doping
He backs Singh - he'd been cleared by WADA : you think this means he's doping
He's a little more tetchy - he's under more pressure : you think this means he's doping

Have you become so utterly obsessed with doping that you think it is the only explanation for anything?

Vijay Singh ADMITTED to using an ILLEGAL PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUG. His defence was that he didn't know that the PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUG was a PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUG. I guess he used DEER-ANTLER SPRAY to help his BO problem !

Vijay Singh says he has used deer-antler spray

Backing another doper IS circumstantial evidence of doping, as we have seen in cycling (dopers stick up for other dopers).

Changes in body shape, and attitude ARE circumstantial evidence for doping.

Claiming the sport is clean IS an odd thing to say, considering that the PGA's PED testing is laughable.

You are suggesting that I am "obsessed" with doping in sports. I think those who don't think that doping is widespread in sport, given that prestige, and money involved, combined with the likelihood they will never get caught, are in SEVERE denial. Fanboys are far more "obsessed" than I am.

 

[Parker]

Vijay Singh ADMITTED to using an ILLEGAL PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUG. His defence was that he didn't know that the PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUG was a PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUG. I guess he used DEER-ANTLER SPRAY to help his BO problem !

Vijay Singh says he has used deer-antler spray

Backing another doper IS circumstantial evidence of doping, as we have seen in cycling (dopers stick up for other dopers).

In the article you linked to, he said:
"WADA made a decision which said that deer antler spray was no longer on the prohibited list, so there isn't really much they can do about it,"
That's reasonable, I think. Agreeing with the decision of WADA isn't 'Omerta'

Changes in body shape, and attitude ARE circumstantial evidence for doping.

He's lost a bit of flab and lifted a few weights - nothing special. Thousands of regular people do that every day without drugs. It's not hard. You'd think he'd turned into LeBron James the way you're banging on

Claiming the sport is clean IS an odd thing to say, considering that the PGA's PED testing is laughable.

But what if it is clean (cocaine aside). This is a sport where overweight smokers in their 40s can be top players.

You are suggesting that I am "obsessed" with doping in sports. I think those who don't think that doping is widespread in sport, given that prestige, and money involved, combined with the likelihood they will never get caught, are in SEVERE denial. Fanboys are far more "obsessed" than I am.

Bolded capital letters. 'Fanboys', 'Severe denial'. Yes, you're then sensible one.

 

[Chipist]

Ian Woosnam ?, 1.64 m (5 ft 4 1⁄2 in) !

Is that height or circumference?

 

[Gavandope]

I think golf is probably one of the least affected by ped. Adding muscle mass can ruin a golfers swing and putting. Recovering from long term ligament injuries a possibility though.

However any kind of endurance sports has to be vulnerable to Edgar/bb kinds of doping and anything that requires strength and power is equally susceptible to the roids/hgh.

Nothing can and should be spared from scrutiny.

I'll add darts, snooker/pool to the exemption list along with golf though!

 

[SeriousSam]

Andynonomous, here are a few facts that are not suggestive of doping. Extremely weak evidence at best.

-Rory's physique.
Easily attainable clean, every random gym has lots of guys with more lean muscle mass.
-Third party accounts of rory's behaviour.
I mean..what? Not being "open" is extremely frequent behavior for clean people.
-Rory saying golf is clean.
The obvious thing to say
-Backing Singh
The obvious thing to do

Now, there's a good chance Rory has used PEDs, but none of the facts you listed are reason to think so. The legitimate reasons are applicable to every pro golfer: PEDs help; testing is virtually non existent.

 

[Franklin]

But what if it is clean (cocaine aside). This is a sport where overweight smokers in their 40s can be top players.

To be fair, it seems extremely unlikely that golf is clean. Not because I have suspicons towards particular players, but because the gains can be huge both in play and in financial aspect. That's a very powerful motivator. In golf the physical side is less important than many other sports, but it's still a physical compnent that can be dramatically affected by doping.

Keep in mind that improving their eyes is accepted (and I have no problem with it!), so they certainly can find their way to the medical people.

So though I'm hesistant to point fingers, I'd say that the chances of Golf being remotely clean are tiny.

 

[Franklin]

I'll add darts, snooker/pool to the exemption list along with golf though!

Beta blockers (and alcohol...) to minimize handshaking.

And no, I am not joking about the alcohol, it was a well used trick in the billiards world and they put in rules against it (at pro level).

 

[Almeisan]

What is the point in using PEDs when you can just fix your diet, get some exercise and improve 20x as much as with PEDs and crappy lifestyle?

 

[kingjr]

What is the point in using PEDs when you can just fix your diet, get some exercise and improve 20x as much as with PEDs and crappy lifestyle?

PED's are shortcuts. Why use EPO when you can you increase your Hct by training at altitude?

 

[Gavandope]

Beta blockers (and alcohol...) to minimize handshaking.

And no, I am not joking about the alcohol, it was a well used trick in the billiards world and they put in rules against it (at pro level).

I remember the beta blocker scandal well - bill werbineuk (!) springs to mind. Stays in the system a while though and can be detected.

And I have to admit that unless I have a pint my cueing is absolutely awful cos my hands and cue arm do shake. Pool you can get away with it but with four times the table area in snooker I am utterly useless sober!

 

[DirtyWorks]

What is the point in using PEDs when you can just fix your diet, get some exercise and improve 20x as much as with PEDs and crappy lifestyle?

Since we're well into a discussion about golf, it's interesting a golfer can be overweight and maintain various degrees of addiction and still be performing at the elite level of the sport. There is quite probably a whole host of effective PED's for golfers. And we know at least the PGA in the U.S. is very permissive.

Did you know that even actors have PED's? Yup. They take drugs associated with psychiatry to reduce their inhibitions while on set.

 

[zebedee]

Golf clean? Woods associated with one of the biggest doping doctors going - Galea, a doctor who also happened to perform duties as a doping control officer!

 

[Franklin]

What is the point in using PEDs when you can just fix your diet, get some exercise and improve 20x as much as with PEDs and crappy lifestyle?

That's easy.

1. The best is fix your diet, work out AND use peds.
2. You can use peds so you need to train less and have more time for other good things in life.

But yeah, I don't think smoking is much of an issue for a golfer (though endurance is not to be ignored!), but being overweight is rather dumb as that makes you more injury prone and will more than likely affect your swing negatively.

 

[Gavandope]

Since we're well into a discussion about golf, it's interesting a golfer can be overweight and maintain various degrees of addiction and still be performing at the elite level of the sport.

There is quite probably a whole host of effective PED's for golfers.

Did you know that even actors have PED's? Yup. They take drugs associated with psychiatry to reduce their inhibitions while on set.

I'd really like to see a list of ped's that would be effective in golf. The one I have experience of - roids no way, only perhaps for recovery with ligament injuries but a lot of these types of injuries they are legally prescribed them.

Hgh - not a good idea making your bones grow playing golf.

Edgar and co - only if you want to do all 18 holes in under an hour!

 

[Parker]

The problem with a lot of you is that thing that doping is the first, last and only solution to any problem.

And any variation from the utterly mundane can only be explained by doping.

It seems that a lot of you expect sporting champions to be like you. It's like you've bought into the idea that if you try hard enough you can achieve anything - well that's BS. And it's getting more so.

I grew up as a kid in the 80s when the idea of an 'everyman' that we could relate to was still valid - in Britain it was Botham, Gower, Thompson, Cram, Lineker, McGuigan, Torvill & Dean, Yates & Millar. They were like us. But as sport has evolved so have the competitors. The net has widened and it's now the realm of the freaks. So when you see someone of is taller or smaller or thinner or more powerful, that's due to the evolution of the sportsman - some is down to drugs, but as drug testing catches up, it is more down to the outliers.

 

[SeriousSam]

Did you know that even actors have PED's? Yup. They take drugs associated with psychiatry to reduce their inhibitions while on set.

They also do roids to bulk up if the role demands it. To be fair, there's nothing wrong with that. It's not a competition where there are rules against it.