Doping in other sports?

[D-Queued]

Tiger Woods now sponsored by 'MusclePharm'

"I haven't been tested all year

http://www.independent.ie/sport/inh...f-them-all-30409273.html#sthash.ivCcmleQ.dpuf

That part caught my attention.

If he ever tests positive, then we may hear about the 500 tests and most-tested athlete stuff.

Dave.

 

[blackcat]

I am really enjoying watching tv reporters, journalists, and newsreaders, on the vanity drugs. shiny shiny skin? some hgh endogenous pituitary releasing peptide

then the sports newsreaders and commentators, talking about PEDs, when these vanity drugs, would be outlawed in pro sport under WADA statutes

the biggest tell, is when people's physiognomy starts to glow orange like an oompa loompa. then if skins is taught or shiney, hgh,a non-surgical facelift

it is just absurd. pundits and commentators talking about PEDs when they are on sh!t that would be outlawed. shamless, bald faced, or not

 

[blackcat]

lol political doping

 

[blackcat]

Tiger Woods now sponsored by 'MusclePharm'



http://www.independent.ie/sport/inh...f-them-all-30409273.html#sthash.ivCcmleQ.dpuf

damn straight dawg

 

[blackcat]

@race radio,

that would be some definition of "cortisone neck" yeah?

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

Nevada state athletic commission has given Sonnen until 27 July to respond, else face a revoked license to fight and possible fines of $250,000, plus expenses.

...that would be some definition of "cortisone neck" yeah?

Corticosteroids (cortisone) do not enhance strength or promote muscle growth. They are catabolic, not anabolic. Catabolic and anabolic are opposites, just like cathodes and anodes are opposites. The most common medical uses for corticosteroids are treating inflammation and autoimmune disorders.

Dosing with sufficient corticosteroids will suppress natural testosterone, with predictable consequences. Give a bull a catabolic steroid and he'd develop heifer's neck.


Anabolic steroids versus catabolic steroids

 

[blackcat]

Nevada state athletic commission has given Sonnen until 27 July to respond, else face a revoked license to fight and possible fines of $250,000, plus expenses.


Corticosteroids (cortisone) do not enhance strength or promote muscle growth. They are catabolic, not anabolic. Catabolic and anabolic are opposites, just like cathodes and anodes are opposites. The most common medical uses for corticosteroids are treating inflammation and autoimmune disorders.

Dosing with sufficient corticosteroids will suppress natural testosterone, with predictable consequences. Give a bull a catabolic steroid and he'd develop heifer's neck.


Anabolic steroids versus catabolic steroids

i know cortisone/corticosteroids/corticoids/antinflammatories are catabolic.

not the point. In about 95 when he was with Ferrari at Motorola LAnce came back after off-season from Austin to a preseason camp, and they game him a nickname cortisone neck

it will be clear with my posts i am well aware of cortisone and these class of steroid

 

[proffate]

retired NBA players reminisce about the drugs they took to play basketball: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DypUbTHsTh8#t=399

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Thanks for the vid!

A good example of why doping should not ever be condoned or encouraged: http://www.healthyweightforum.org/eng/weight_loss_medication/vioxx-recall.asp

 

[RobbieCanuck]

retired NBA players reminisce about the drugs they took to play basketball: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DypUbTHsTh8#t=399

This is a grossly negligent misrepresentation of this video and the concomitant suggestion or intended message that there was/is widespread drug use in basketball in order "to play basketball"

The vast majority of the video deals with 7 former NBA players as to the reasons they retired. At the end of the video, Steve Kerr mentions for the last 2 seasons of his career he took Vioxx.

Vioxx is an anti-inflammatory, non-steroid anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID) and not a narcotic. Although in the video Kerr says he "thinks" it was a PED, Kerr is wrong. It is not a performance enhancing drug. It has never been on the WADA list of performance enhancing drugs. It was pulled from the market in 2004 because it was linked to heart disease and strokes.

It was an effective anti-inflammatory and pain reliever that brought relief for pain as would aspirin, ibuprofen or naproxen, other NSAIDs all over the counter meds in North America. that are not banned and used by athletes routinely, because they provide relief, but not a performance enhancing benefit. Vioxx did require a prescription.

A second player, Isiah Thomas refers to having taken DMSO or Dimethyl sulfoxide during his career. In medicine, DMSO is predominantly used as a topical analgesic, as an anti-inflammatory, and an antioxidant. Similarly DMSO is not a PED, has never been on the WADA list of prohibited drugs and is not performance enhancing

Of the 7 players in the video only these 2 mentioned anything about drugs they took for pain relief. None of the others "reminisced about drugs they took "to play basketball"

Dear Wiggo

Thanks for the vid! A good example of why doping should not ever be condoned or encouraged:

This comment is the classic example of how when one poster misrepresents a drug as a PED when they are not, another poster in ignorance assumes and proposes the drugs referred to constitute doping when it did not.

At the same time I agree with Dear Wiggo that doping(actual doping, not the use of drugs that are not prohibited) should never be condoned or encouraged.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

This is a grossly negligent misrepresentation of this video and the concomitant suggestion or intended message that there was/is widespread drug use in basketball in order "to play basketball"

No, it isn't. It's a precis about the video discussion at the point of the video linked.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

This comment is the classic example of how when one poster misrepresents a drug as a PED when they are not, another poster in ignorance assumes and proposes the drugs referred to constitute doping when it did not.

You must love being wrong, or inaccurate at best.

There have been more than a few here stating, "let them dope".

In fact one blog linked by you as one of your "research" sources, RobbieCanuck, suggested that exact same thing, citing "doctors are involved anyway" as part of the argument for this ridiculous attitude towards doping.

My comment is: if a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory can pass muster via FDA and then be shown, after years of use, to cause the issues Vioxx did, then the drugs that are used for PEDs are potentially just as likely to do the same, if not worse, due to their typically more potent effect on the body. Despite doctors and FDA involvement, the less drugs athletes take, the better, safer and more healthy they will probably be.

 

[mikeoneill]

there must be another sprinter getting busted soon

ato bolden tweeted it recently,it would never be bolt would it?

 

[gooner]

After Sonnen getting busted for EPO and HGH, another fighter in the UFC has got caught for EPO.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2014/7/1...-on-ali-bagautinovs-failed-drug-test-for-epo?

Tim Kennedy thinks up to 70% of fighters are doing it.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2014/7/1...el-sonnen-tim-kennedy-vitor-belfort-mma-news?

The state commissions are stepping up their game and there could be a fair few more of these in the future.

 

[Andynonomous]

Percentage of athletes testing positive, by sport.

Of course, percentage "getting caught", does not equate to "percentage using", but the comparisons between sports are interesting.

 

[Benotti69]

Percentage of athletes testing positive, by sport.

Of course, percentage "getting caught", does not equate to "percentage using", but the comparisons between sports are interesting.

Tennis is the wrong colour.....

 

[Almeisan]

Tennis is the wrong colour.....

So this is equivalent to an IQ test? Cycling and weightlifting the lowest IQ, tennis and pentathlon the highest?

 

[Benotti69]

So this is equivalent to an IQ test? Cycling and weightlifting the lowest IQ, tennis and pentathlon the highest?

I think it has to do with federations. I believe the Tennis Federation just totally ignore the PEDs.

 

[Almeisan]

I assumed it was the percentage of samples that test positive.

 

[Benotti69]

I assumed it was the percentage of samples that test positive.

The chart no doubt is.

 

[thrawn]

I think it has to do with federations. I believe the Tennis Federation just totally ignore the PEDs.

I think that's probably the answer as to why they appear as one of the 5 'cleanest' sports.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

there must be another sprinter getting busted soon

ato bolden tweeted it recently,it would never be bolt would it?

Maybe he was a big fan of Menchov.

Realistically though, he probably knows something about Yohan Blake. Off the juice, he runs terribly slow, and gets himself hurt.

 

[Almeisan]

The chart no doubt is.

So then how can a limited amounts of tests skew the number when the number is a percentage?

 

[Andynonomous]

The numbers can be "fixed" by the sporting authorities in many ways. For example, tennis only tests samples for a limited number of drugs. If another sport tests samples for more prohibited substances, it's percentage of positives could be higher than tennis's, even if it is a cleaner sport.

Again, tennis is doing a better PR job, not a better job of keeping PEDs out.

Here is the head of the ITF, Ricci Bitti :

“We have to protect the integrity of tennis, but our attitude on the sports side is that a positive doping case is a sad day. The attitude of the other side, as we see with Richard Pound, is that it is a celebration. It is a different mentality.”


So, in other words, fighting against PEDs, is strictly a PR exercise.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

No, it isn't. It's a precis about the video discussion at the point of the video linked.

A distorted précis. Let people watch it and decide for themselves. You obviously cannot detect the obvious!