Doping in other sports?

[RetroActive]

I just went to check my mail and this story was featured (yahoo has the best news stories eva):

Former Panther Jordan Gross looks like different person after weight loss
https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/n...erent-person-after-weight-loss-205842337.html

I wonder what happened? Is he sick?

 

[42x16ss]

He mentions that he was having trouble staying at that size, so obviously a LOT of weights work went in to staying that size. Gross also mentions that he's just eating healthily and exercising lightly so he's probably cut down his food intake greatly and stopped supplementing with protein, creatine etc now he doesn't need to be huge in order to tackle as hard as possible. His body is just returning to a more naturally sustainable weight and size.

 

[RetroActive]

He mentions that he was having trouble staying at that size, so obviously a LOT of weights work went in to staying that size. Gross also mentions that he's just eating healthily and exercising lightly so he's probably cut down his food intake greatly and stopped supplementing with protein, creatine etc now he doesn't need to be huge in order to tackle as hard as possible. His body is just returning to a more naturally sustainable weight and size.

I can agree wholly with the bolded but as for the rest I don't know but I suspect, strongly.

Did you look at the pictures?

42X16...those were the days. Fun.

 

[42x16ss]

I saw the pictures - it looks like two totally different people

How long has Jordan Gross been retired?

 

[Gavandope]

Leanest guy in this TUF season 17 - Josh Samman - ridiculous definition, and covered in acne. Tears a muscle in a fight he wins, and talks about another time he tore the muscle in a similar way.

But the acne - on his face and shoulders. Seems strange at 25.

Tell tale signs?

Round the outside of the triceps too. Oil based testosterones like Sustanon are spot exploders especially if you don't hydrate enough. If he's tears his muscles a lot its nandrolone (deca) time.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Round the outside of the triceps too. Oil based testosterones like Sustanon are spot exploders especially if you don't hydrate enough. If he's tears his muscles a lot its nandrolone (deca) time.

Ahh really? I had read about the olive oil + test concoction that Ferrari denied telling the USPS boys about.

Is this Sustanon stuff similar? I'll go check it out.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Ahh really? I had read about the olive oil + test concoction that Ferrari denied telling the USPS boys about.

Is this Sustanon stuff similar? I'll go check it out.

Oh goodness no. Ferrari's stuff was rubbed on. Injecting stuff or even the thought of it gives me the heebie jeebies.

Anyway I got to the end and the youngest, most natural looking guy there choked Samman out in the semis. It was f*cking great viewing.

He then went on to win the final too, so it was all good

 

[Gavandope]

Ahh really? I had read about the olive oil + test concoction that Ferrari denied telling the USPS boys about.

Is this Sustanon stuff similar? I'll go check it out.

Nope his was andriol - liquid testosterone in a fat molecule so it doesn't harm the liver going in like most oral roids. Glow time of 12-18 hours, though in small quantities probably less than that. Pretty weak as far as roids go but ideal for tested subjects who need a quick top up and beat tests.

Sustanon is four testosterones in oil solution injected in your glute.

In case your wondering yes I've doped roids. Went from 11 stone weed to 16 stone brick sh*thouse. Not GH or blood doping, courses from 88-91 and 96-98.

Roids for cyclists are mainly to recover, to train a bit harder with more frequency perhaps. Think that's why I class them more as performance recovering. EPO and blood doping does the Borg stuff. I have seen the results of EPO first hand using exercise machines and it truly is alien lol.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Nope his was andriol - liquid testosterone in a fat molecule so it doesn't harm the liver going in like most oral roids. Glow time of 12-18 hours, though in small quantities probably less than that. Pretty weak as far as roids go but ideal for tested subjects who need a quick top up and beat tests.

Sustanon is four testosterones in oil solution injected in your glute.

In case your wondering yes I've doped roids. Went from 11 stone weed to 16 stone brick sh*thouse. Not GH or blood doping, courses from 88-91 and 96-98.

Roids for cyclists are mainly to recover, to train a bit harder with more frequency perhaps. Think that's why I class them more as performance recovering. EPO and blood doping does the Borg stuff. I have seen the results of EPO first hand using exercise machines and it truly is alien lol.

Yeah I did a search and read up on the Sustanon stuff. They sounded pretty intense, going from the TRT dosage of every couple of weeks to the PED dosage of every couple of days

I guess glute injections are easy to hide vs finding a vein, and are not as likely to wreck veins through wall weakening.

Been a while since I checked out the various BB forums - always did enjoy reading the first hand experiences of users.

Did you find people were open about roid use back then? And how about now - or are you too far out of the scene?

 

[Gavandope]

Yeah I did a search and read up on the Sustanon stuff. They sounded pretty intense, going from the TRT dosage of every couple of weeks to the PED dosage of every couple of days

I guess glute injections are easy to hide vs finding a vein, and are not as likely to wreck veins through wall weakening.

Been a while since I checked out the various BB forums - always did enjoy reading the first hand experiences of users.

Did you find people were open about roid use back then? And how about now - or are you too far out of the scene?

Oil roids it was always good to warm up the bottle before injecting else you would have a really uncomfortable lump on the corner of your *** for a while lol.

Been out the scene personally for a long, long time but friends of mine still take the occasional cycle of gear. From what I gather it's gone pretty crazy in terms of dosages which I would never ever do. At most 8 week course of injectibles, two at most with a course of orals. HCG and Tamoxifen post course. GH during my first time was sucked out of the pituitary gland from corpses cost a bomb and could give you mad cows disease, no thanks.

EPO on the other hand is another ballgame. One memorable moment that I can comment on safely was a friend challenging the instructor to challenge with stationary bikes, stair-master and rowing machine. Guy always liked to rub it in how much better than he was than my friend and he could always beat him. One single shot of Eprex and two days later he utterly wiped the floor with him for a bet. Made healthy profit on the shot, that must have been 1996...

 

[Spencer the Half Wit]

Anybody know anything more about this?

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...ak-golf-professional-help-personal-challenges

 

[mb2612]

Anybody know anything more about this?

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...ak-golf-professional-help-personal-challenges

Unofficially, coke

 

[wansteadimp]

Anybody know anything more about this?

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...ak-golf-professional-help-personal-challenges

Yep, coke. Long time rumours surrounding DJ and coke, he had a 2 month injury break a couple of years ago, the whispers were it was a ban from the PGA.

The PGA don't make public any sanctions against players, be it drug suspensions or fines for spitting in the wrong place or saying bad words too loud. Hopefully Brian doesn't find out about this so he can make things more transparent.

His fiancee/wife is Paulina Gretzky, notorious party girl and daughter of the Great One, I can't imagine she has helped the situation. Googling her may result in images NSFW.

 

[Catwhoorg]

I know there used to be a baseball thread but I'm struggling to find it.

Per the AJC, a couple of Atlanta Brave minor leaguers got picked up for steroids.

They are the first to be convicted under new rules, they get a 72 match (1 season for that league) ban.

A little better than previous 50 match ban, the new rules give an 80 (or 1 season if fewer games in that specific league) ban.

 

[Spencer the Half Wit]

Yep, coke. Long time rumours surrounding DJ and coke, he had a 2 month injury break a couple of years ago, the whispers were it was a ban from the PGA.

The PGA don't make public any sanctions against players, be it drug suspensions or fines for spitting in the wrong place or saying bad words too loud. Hopefully Brian doesn't find out about this so he can make things more transparent.

His fiancee/wife is Paulina Gretzky, notorious party girl and daughter of the Great One, I can't imagine she has helped the situation. Googling her may result in images NSFW.

Can't imagine that is performance enhancing, mind if it helps you hit the ball over 300 yards like Johnson then I might give it a go before my next round

 

[frenchfry]

http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article...n-espoir-francais-du-lancer_4465583_3242.html

French hammer thrower caught using steroids gets a 4 year ban including 2 years suspended. He outed his coach (at the time of his positive), who is now being pursued by the police.

He is only 21 and had recently changed coaches in order to break away from the doping methods of his previous coach. Was European junior champion in 2011.

 

[neineinei]

http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article...n-espoir-francais-du-lancer_4465583_3242.html

French hammer thrower caught using steroids gets a 4 year ban including 2 years suspended. He outed his coach (at the time of his positive), who is now being pursued by the police.

He is only 21 and had recently changed coaches in order to break away from the doping methods of his previous coach. Was European junior champion in 2011.

Four years after full cooperation? Tyson Gay's one year ban seems only weirder and weirder.

 

[frenchfry]

Four years after full cooperation? Tyson Gay's one year ban seems only weirder and weirder.

Only 2 years to be served, but indeed a bit harsh given that he appears to have really told all.

 

[Catwhoorg]

UKAD serves up its first lifetime ban. There are three lifetime bans in the UK from prior bodies, making this guys the 4th British registered athlete or support person to be banned for life.

(link)

Possession, trafficking, and aiding/abetting a cover-up of an offense.

The daughter gets a 4 year ban, which was confirmed on appeal.

<edit>
My post initially contained the words
"The father was supplying steroids to his daughter (a boxer), there is a lot of documentation to go through, but from a first reading he started before she turned 18. My thoughts about a father who dopes a minor child cannot be printed on this forum."

The only charge the daughter faced was with regards the involvement in the possession and trafficking. No positive test was involved, nor evidence that she actually used the stuff. My suspicions may be that she (and her 4 siblings) may have been doped is just that a suspicion, not a point of fact considered by UKAD.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Rugby players (looking at the UKAD website) need some serious lessons in IQ improvement. Or better handlers.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Rugby players (looking at the UKAD website) need some serious lessons in IQ improvement. Or better handlers.

Its been a recurring comment of mine over the last few years.

Disgraceful what a farce rugby has become, even down at the club level. Wasn't like that when I played, and for that I am grateful.

I barely watch it now, by not getting a handle on the rampant doping, they lost a lifelong fan.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Its interesting that UKAD cite the AAA in the Armstrong et al case, as supporting evidence for the principle of a lifetime ban.


Longer term, that could be the best thing to come out of the Armstrong case. More and more lifetime bans for trafficking and 'support personnel' doping their athletes going forward.

 

[Catwhoorg]

The BBC's article.

Including a picture of Phillip Tinklin posing, presumably he not only supplied, but used those products.

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

Nevada Attorney General has asked NSAC to go after Wanderlei Silva for recovery of actual costs for evading an OOC, and "For such other and further relief as the Commission may deem just and proper."

I doubt NSAC will get involved unless they also require a pound of flesh for their own troubles.


Michael Bisping claims his losses to Sonnen, Belfort and Silva weren't fair fights because his opponent in each case was doped.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Nevada Attorney General has asked NSAC to go after Wanderlei Silva for recovery of actual costs for evading an OOC, and "For such other and further relief as the Commission may deem just and proper."

I doubt NSAC will get involved unless they also require a pound of flesh for their own troubles.


Michael Bisping claims his losses to Sonnen, Belfort and Silva weren't fair fights because his opponent in each case was doped.

Bisping does look pretty natural, not that that is a guarantee of anything.

I would want to see double punishment for anyone making a claim like this then being pinged down the track...