Doping in Soccer/Football

[Mad Elephant Man]

And who or what might Alfredo listed between them be?

 

[Manuthan]

Alfredo cordova .. Former kelme and lyberty doc..

I hope media start to dig more about milan

 

[Mad Elephant Man]

Alfredo cordova .. Former kelme and lyberty doc..

I hope media start to dig more about milan

Thank you Manuthan. A very good first post. Welcome to the forum and I hope you post more.

 

[M Sport]

Just heard on a sports radio show here in Adelaide that it is rumored that the supplement Essendon were taking was a synthetic form of testosterone that is not banned yet by WADA but will be in May.
Unfortunately I missed the name of the product and it is only a rumor.

3AW are reporting it was an Hgh supplement.

2 year holiday for the players and possibly a team ban unless the AFL does a You See I.

 

[sniper]

if Alfredo is a doc's name, Milan might be as well.

In interviews, Fuentes never spoke of Italian clubs, so I'd be surprised if it's AC.
But not impossible of course.

Apparently the German doc Markus Choina was an important middleman, hence "medicamentos alemanes". (source)
Let's see how the German press responds to this. I'd be disappointed if they keep silent on the this link.

 

[sniper]

btw.
Ironic to see Alfredo got only 10 IG units to run 2 cycling teams.
RSOC got 40 to 50 units.
Did anybody say doping is less prevalent or important in soccer than in cycling?

 

[Albatros]

btw.
Ironic to see Alfredo got only 10 IG units to run 2 cycling teams.
RSOC got 40 to 50 units.
Did anybody say doping is less prevalent or important in soccer than in cycling?

Milan gets 40 units too. Make of that what you wish. Was Milan running eight cycling teams?

 

[the asian]

Could be AC Milan or Inigo San Milan

 

[hrotha]

Could be AC Milan or Inigo San Milan

"San Millán" doesn't sound a lot like "San Milan".

You're probably kidding, but there's people out there who would take it at face value.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Milan is indeed a strange name on the papers, like they do not have the Milan medical centre. Maybe a codename.

Furthermore, Australia must be a dopers heaven.

 

[the asian]

"San Millán" doesn't sound a lot like "San Milan".

You're probably kidding, but there's people out there who would take it at face value.

Inter Milan won't need to be afraid for now though.Milan usually means AC Milan.

They had a lot of success during Fuentes hey days and a club owned by Berlusconi engaged in team wide doping shouldn't be too much of a surprise.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

I noticed that too. Could be a coincidence of course. The German squad just had a couple of cancellations of players who played the whole game in the weekend. But an interesting coincidence in any case.


true.


Agree, though you're not counting with the national and international press, who might smell blood and decide to go digging.

Milan is indeed a strange name on the papers, like they do not have the Milan medical centre. Maybe a codename.

Furthermore, Australia must be a dopers heaven.

No idea about the laws but Stallone got busted by the FDA for bringing HGH into the country, I've never heard about anybody getting busted like that bringing stuff into the UK for example.

 

[sniper]

Inter Milan won't need to be afraid for now though.Milan usually means AC Milan.

They had a lot of success during Fuentes hey days and a club owned by Berlusconi engaged in team wide doping shouldn't be too much of a surprise.

what if it's a codename for Barca?
in 2005 Frank Rijkaard was head coach.
ex-AC Milan.

 

[hrotha]

Joking aside, those aren't codenames, they're abbreviations. "Kelm" for "Kelme", "RSoc" for "Real Sociedad". Obviously Fuentes wasn't concerned about these documents being seen by an outsider. "Milan", in sports, can only mean "AC Milan" in Spain.

edit: someone at Parlamento Ciclista mentioned it might be Milaneza-Maia. However, the doses are the same as for RSoc, which suggests a similar program.

 

[pedromartins]

Joking aside, those aren't codenames, they're abbreviations. "Kelm" for "Kelme", "RSoc" for "Real Sociedad". Obviously Fuentes wasn't concerned about these documents being seen by an outsider. "Milan", in sports, can only mean "AC Milan" in Spain.

edit: someone at Parlamento Ciclista mentioned it might be Milaneza-Maia. However, the doses are the same as for RSoc, which suggests a similar program.

Oh...

Milaneza must've been on something really great all those years.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Joking aside, those aren't codenames, they're abbreviations. "Kelm" for "Kelme", "RSoc" for "Real Sociedad". Obviously Fuentes wasn't concerned about these documents being seen by an outsider. "Milan", in sports, can only mean "AC Milan" in Spain.

edit: someone at Parlamento Ciclista mentioned it might be Milaneza-Maia. However, the doses are the same as for RSoc, which suggests a similar program.

Good call, when you look at their roster it looks like a match. Even old buddy Mauri was there.

 

[Albatros]

what if it's a codename for Barca?
in 2005 Frank Rijkaard was head coach.
ex-AC Milan.

Nice one. I buy it, especially with a Dutch manager at the helm. Having studied doping in football extensively your are one of the worst lot throughout history. Still, Cruyff never heard anything ever.

 

[sniper]

Nice one. I buy it, especially with a Dutch manager at the helm. Having studied doping in football extensively your are one of the worst lot throughout history. Still, Cruyff never heard anything ever.

i'd readily assume we are.
De Boer, Stam, Davids, and I 'm probably forgetting one or the other.

There might be an interesting correlation, by the way, between those positives, AC Milan, and FC Barca.

Do we know if Fuentes prescribed nandrolon?

 

[Albatros]

i'd readily assume we are.
De Boer, Stam, Davids, and I 'm probably forgetting one or the other.

There might be an interesting correlation, by the way, between those positives, AC Milan, and FC Barca.

Do we know if Fuentes prescribed nandrolon?

Never heard of that. I know Sabino Padilla did and Gurpegui at Athletic Bilbao where he was their doctor tested positive for nandrolone.

I wonder what happened for these numerous high profile nandrolone cases to occur.
Nandrolone is a doping substance very hard to eliminate and thus easily detectable. Where they not testing for it until all of the sudden?

 

[Albatros]

BTW, ex Barca president Nunez offered Eufemiano Fuentes twice to join Barcelona as their team doctor.

That was in the mid 90's first time. He had an offer of about £1 million per season, which Eufemiano rejected.

Imagine how much he was making with all his clients to reject such an offer.

 

[zebedee]

It's unlikely in my opinion that Fuentes had any connection with AC Milan. Doping would most likely have been organised on a team-wide basis and controlled through MilanLab which is the club's own high tech sports science facility.

http://www.acmilan.com/en/club/milan_lab

One cannot say for sure, but it seems unlikely in my view that such a prominent Italian club would use a Madrid-based, Spanish doctor as an outreach doping facility.

 

[Mr.38%]

Nandrolone is a doping substance very hard to eliminate and thus easily detectable. Where they not testing for it until all of the sudden?

Matschiner hinted contaminated T products in 2003. Why not a similar case in 2001?

Nandrolone's half life depends on it's esterification; (phenyl)propionate will clear the system within a few days. OOC controls are almost non-existent in football as well as other sports such as track & field or tennis.

 

[sniper]

...
One cannot say for sure, but it seems unlikely in my view that such a prominent Italian club would use a Madrid-based, Spanish doctor as an outreach doping facility.

this indeed.

 

[Alphabet]

On a lighter note, here's an amusing picture I found of Newcastle striker Shola Ameobi.

 

[LutherB]

Go on Shola!