Doping in Soccer/Football

[BradCantona]

The man who pointed authorities in the direction of operation Puerto saying there were footballers there, delmoral saying footballers are the vanguard of doping, barca and Madrid working with fuentes, Guardiola a proven doper treated likens god, aren't evidence of rife doping in football?

Some of it certainly is evidence (Puerto and the blood bags), some of it is heresay guff (A successful manager being treated as 'God').

Why confuse the two? My initial post was after someone claimed it was proof a footballer doped because they were playing lower league a few years earlier, or were noted for their stamina. That isn't evidence, nothing like it.

Do I think doping is a problem in football? Where you have the combination of high riches, significant performance advantage to be gained, poor testing procedures, and authorities who don't want to think there's a problem... join the dots.

 

[sniper]

Some of it certainly is evidence (Puerto and the blood bags), some of it is heresay guff (A successful manager being treated as 'God').

Why confuse the two? My initial post was after someone claimed it was proof a footballer doped because they were playing lower league a few years earlier, or were noted for their stamina. That isn't evidence, nothing like it.

Do I think doping is a problem in football? Where you have the combination of high riches, significant performance advantage to be gained, poor testing procedures, and authorities who don't want to think there's a problem... join the dots.

how is that hearsay?
he tested positive (fact) and is treated as a god (metaphor of course) mainly in barcelona but also in many other places around the world.

 

[sniper]

whatever did the spanish ADA do with RSOC's expresident's allegations of systematic doping in the early 2000s?

A dutch author Guido Derksen has just published a book on (amongst other things) doping in Dutch soccer titled 'Voetbalmysteries. Opgelost'
Apparently some interesting revelations in there.
Here an interview with summary of most important findings:
http://nos.nl/artikel/574655-doping-was-schering-en-inslag.html

 

[BradCantona]

how is that hearsay?
he tested positive (fact) and is treated as a god (metaphor of course) mainly in barcelona but also in many other places around the world.

Positive test = evidence

Treated like God = hearsay bull****

 

[sniper]

the keys to giggs longevity

Giggs points to his adoption of yoga as a factor in his extended career. Many footballers have followed suit, but the simple adoption of yoga as a physical pursuit limits its effectiveness. Yoga, if practised correctly, is more than just an exercise of the body; it is a limitless pursuit of discipline, self-awareness, mindfulness and study of the individual. The focus on oneself is hugely important, even if it is only for a daily hour of stretches and meditation.

It may sound pretentious, but it appears Giggs – whose monastic eating and drinking habits have played a huge part in lengthening his career – has fully embraced the discipline. His professionalism and attention to detail combine with a lithe flexibility and a total understanding of his role. The late Steve Jobs – a fellow yogi – may well have agreed. Nicklas Bendtner, known to occasionally adopt the downward dog when not smashing up cars or gym doors, would do well to learn from yoga’s capacity for mental enhancement.

quadruple eyebrowraiser.

by the way:

He has to keep trotting out for another year if he is to pass Alessandro Costacurta as the oldest outfield player to appear in the Champions League or European Cup

 

[slowspoke]

And Giggs at 40 just bossed the Champions League game.

Does having affairs also help longevity?

 

[The Hitch]

the keys to giggs longevity

quadruple eyebrowraiser.

by the way:

Again the simple - athlete x's superhuman feats are down to the fact that he resorts to these awessome (non doping) measures. On the other hand athlete y eats 3 big macs for breakfast, #science.

I mistrust anything that is painted so black and white.

Especially since the one athlete I do know who literally does keep certain fast food shops in business just won the Vuelta at 41.

 

[Benotti69]

And Giggs at 40 just bossed the Champions League game.

Does having affairs also help longevity?

I think Giggs huge libido is a side effect of PEDs, whether he is enjoying it or not.

 

[Samson777]

I think Giggs huge libido is a side effect of PEDs, whether he is enjoying it or not.

The chicken was asked about excactly that, but he said that even do he got PEDs there should "help" in that area, the hard training resulted in less "activity", since there could go a week, between he was " ready for duty"

 

[Benotti69]

The chicken was asked about excactly that, but he said that even do he got PEDs there should "help" in that area, the hard training resulted in less "activity", since there could go a week, between he was " ready for duty"

Well cycling and football very different disciplines. But i remember Kelly was asked if 'duty' affected performance and he said he abstained during the racing season and someone said that since kelly raced on the day after Xmas he was still a virgin.

 

[Samson777]

Well cycling and football very different disciplines. But i remember Kelly was asked if 'duty' affected performance and he said he abstained during the racing season and someone said that since kelly raced on the day after Xmas he was still a virgin.

Yeah, yeah of course it is very different.

Haha.. Reminded me of this Kelly quote, perhaps there is a connection: " Sean Kelly being interviewed after the ’84 Amstel Gold Race, spots his wife leaning against his Citroën AX. He interrupts the interview to tell her to get off the paintwork, to which she shrugs, “In your life the car comes first, then the bike, then me.” Instinctively, he snaps back, “You got the order wrong. The bike comes first.”

 

[slowspoke]

This man knows what his priorities are.

 

[Samson777]

This man knows what his priorities are.

Bros before... oh wait

 

[slowspoke]

bros before... Oh wait

............

and on topic Wayne Rooney had this to say about Giggsy -

During the game their centre-half was asking me how Ryan is still playing like that at his age," said Wayne Rooney. "He was fantastic. I've run out of things to say about him but it was great to see him with that composure on the ball. I don't know how he is still doing it. I certainly won't be playing at that age, that's for sure.

 

[neezabja]

So what is the clinic's opinion about the performances of Arsenal's Aaron Ramsey this season? Does absolutely nothing since coming back from a broken leg, even got booed by his own fans and all of a sudden he's winning player of the month awards and scoring for fun. What brought about the turnaround and is there any reason to be suspicious?

 

[Cyivel]

Not really, talented young player suffers very serious injury which takes him a while to fully come back from (don't just mean fitness), now beginning to show his potential.

 

[the sceptic]

looks like hes doing a RVP. Clean of course. There is no evidence.

 

[AcademyCC]

So what is the clinic's opinion about the performances of Arsenal's Aaron Ramsey this season? Does absolutely nothing since coming back from a broken leg, even got booed by his own fans and all of a sudden he's winning player of the month awards and scoring for fun. What brought about the turnaround and is there any reason to be suspicious?[/QUOTE

Aaron ramsey has always been a world class player. Had a major injury then took a while to come back. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[sniper]

So what is the clinic's opinion about the performances of Arsenal's Aaron Ramsey this season? Does absolutely nothing since coming back from a broken leg, even got booed by his own fans and all of a sudden he's winning player of the month awards and scoring for fun. What brought about the turnaround and is there any reason to be suspicious?

It is obvious that arsenal have a very decent program in place this season.
would be interesting to know if they,ve made any changes in the medical department compared to previous seasons.
even ozil has increased his form since he came to arsenal from madrid. Go figure.

 

[gooner]

It is obvious that arsenal have a very decent program in place this season.
would be interesting to know if they,ve made any changes in the medical department compared to previous seasons.
even ozil has increased his form since he came to arsenal from madrid. Go figure.

The medical department is the same with Colin Lewin, Gary O'Driscoll and Tony Colbert. I think you'll find that Dortmund ran 11km more than Arsenal as a team in the Emirates last month.

Why is it that every improvement is just put down to doping programme? Why this season so and not 2012, 2011, 2010 when they weren't winning anything?

It's a too simplistic view.

 

[sniper]

The medical department is the same with Colin Lewin, Gary O'Driscoll and Tony Colbert.

thanks.

The medical department is the same with Colin Lewin, Gary O'Driscoll and Tony Colbert. I think you'll find that Dortmund ran 11km more than Arsenal as a team in the Emirates last month.

dortmund is a nobrainer.

Why is it that every improvement is just put down to doping programme? Why this season so and not 2012, 2011, 2010 when they weren't winning anything?

It's a too simplistic view.

of course doping isn't everything. perhaps ramsey is having good sex.
perhaps arsenal are training differently, or eating better. i don't know.
and yes, they bought ozil. that was a clever move.

but whatever the background, doping is always the most concrete variable in perfomance enhancement. Things like training or tactical management or whatever other marginal gains are all nice and all, but much vaguer, more abstract variables.
i rather speculate about concrete things than about vague things.

 

[gooner]

thanks.


dortmund is a nobrainer.


of course doping isn't everything. perhaps ramsey is having good sex.
perhaps arsenal are training differently, or eating better. i don't know.
and yes, they bought ozil. that was a clever move.

but whatever the background, doping is always the most concrete variable in perfomance enhancement. Things like training or tactical management or whatever other marginal gains are all nice and all, but much vaguer, more abstract variables.
i rather speculate about concrete things than about vague things.

Not accusing Dortmund but I mentioned it in the football thread in the Cafe at the time.

Passes completed: Arsenal 423; Dortmund 346

Total metres covered: Arsenal 106,281; Dortmund 117,887

 

[sniper]

Not accusing Dortmund but I mentioned it in the football thread in the Cafe at the time.

their stamina over the past three to four seasons is insane.
grosskreutz has been singled out here before, and rightly so.
he looks to be on speed all the time. but the others are extremely fit as well. mikhtarian's runs against napoli were crazy.
and i'd love to see some stats on when dortmund score most of their goals. I bet they score most of their goals in the final third of the match.

 

[Almeisan]

Not accusing Dortmund but I mentioned it in the football thread in the Cafe at the time.

Passes completed: Arsenal 423; Dortmund 346

Total metres covered: Arsenal 106,281; Dortmund 117,887

Which means Arsenal, not Dortmund played better.

 

[gooner]

Which means Arsenal, not Dortmund played better.

It was an even game.

Like sniper said, since Klopp took over their work rate off the ball is a huge factor in their success. They and the Barcelona side under Guardiola are the best at pressing collectively from the front.

In last season's Champions League Dortmund pressed like no other side - covering more ground than anyone else.

Average distance covered per match:
Dortmund - 121km
Bayern Munich - 114km
Arsenal - 112km
Barcelona - 110km
Manchester United - 109km

‘It’s not the most important stat but I love it when I read that we run more than the opponent. You can get respect if you do this and you have more chance to be successful.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...opp-I-love-Arsenal-manager-Arsene-Wenger.html