Doping in XC skiing

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Everyone knows what's going on with Norway
Already in the early sixties "Moltas" Eriksson knew what was going on, Song title in translation: Norge is a rotten nation.
Norge, Norge, det är ett ruttet land.
But dear Norwegian freinds, in fact I do envy you. You have a much more solid political climate. Not the postmodernistic, postfeministic, postenvironmental and intersectional disaster that is the signum of Sweden nowadays, However, Norges skiforbund and some of the more prominent skiers are fishy as hell. Rotten. Johaug should never have been able to compete again
 
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What are the implications of WADA ban for Russians in winter sports? What will FIS and IBU do about it? I assume Alex Loginov is a goner, because he has been caught doping in the past. Will Russia compete in team events/relays under the ANA tag?
 
What are the implications of WADA ban for Russians in winter sports? What will FIS and IBU do about it? I assume Alex Loginov is a goner, because he has been caught doping in the past. Will Russia compete in team events/relays under the ANA tag?
If Loginov is a goner than Herrmann, Johaug and Sundby should be goners as well. None of them should have competed in Korea, but they don’t have RUS next to their names.
 
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Well, China is an authoritarian country and they have got a lot of money, which means they are going to use all possible means to reach success in the 2022 Olympics. No stone will be unturned. The only limiting factor is that they are starting out so late that it is difficult to build up the whole skiing culture within a few years.
 
Well, China is an authoritarian country and they have got a lot of money, which means they are going to use all possible means to reach success in the 2022 Olympics. No stone will be unturned. The only limiting factor is that they are starting out so late that it is difficult to build up the whole skiing culture within a few years.
Fangming Cheng is a bit of a strange one, in that he's 25 and hasn't competed on the international track since December 2015 until this year, but he did manage an IBU Cup top 20 all the way back in 2013. I think they've been working on these Olympics for a while, though. They have some young biathlon prospects, especially the women. Yuanmeng Chu is 20 and has some OK IBU Cup results last year, then won a bunch of the junior races at the Summer Biathlon championships (I know, little value as a yardstick) and started her World Cup journey this year. Fanqi Meng is the biggest talent, I think, she's 21 and won gold in the Individual at the Junior World Championships last season; she also has a number of IBU Cup top 20s and a couple of top 10s too, and won medals at the Youth Olympic Games. In two years' time, they could be pretty useful World Cup talents, such that China would at least have something to work with. If Zhenyu Zhu can develop as well, they'd at least have a pretty solid-looking Mixed Relay.
 
Well, China is an authoritarian country and they have got a lot of money, which means they are going to use all possible means to reach success in the 2022 Olympics. No stone will be unturned. The only limiting factor is that they are starting out so late that it is difficult to build up the whole skiing culture within a few years.
Yeah, history shows us that its only authoritarian countries that dope in the run up to Olympics that they're hosting. /s
 
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Well, China is an authoritarian country and they have got a lot of money, which means they are going to use all possible means to reach success in the 2022 Olympics. No stone will be unturned. The only limiting factor is that they are starting out so late that it is difficult to build up the whole skiing culture within a few years.
They had a pretty decent biathlon team 15-20 years ago (all 3 are World Championship medalists) so something should still be in place

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They had a pretty decent biathlon team 15-20 years ago (all 3 are World Championship medalists) so something should still be in place
I think biathlon is the most realistic traditional ski sport (excluding X sports and stuff like that) they are going to find success in. As you mention, they have already been there.

XC is harder. Maybe in sprints, but I don't see any Chinese taking on Norwegians in distance races. Ski jumping is pretty non-existent in China as well, so that's a tough call. And the same can be said about alpine skiing.
 
yeah, and to be fair, looking at his 2nd shooting on Sunday (4 mistakes), I guess it's also not too unlikely that he just went full out on the 2nd lap to grab the chance and lead a relay once in his life.
 
Curious how Calle Halfvarsson can be sick so long, skis into the heats in Lenzerheide, then doesn't start the quarterfinal because he felt ill, and now two days later he's just off the podium. What kind of 'sickness' did he have exactly? Is he following in Johan Olsson's footsteps? Be sick for a while, then fight for the podium, and then disappear again?
 
Yeah this was not what I thought I would see. I was expecting the Krüger and Roethe to blow up the race earlier in the climb and others like Cologna to try and do something. I was expecting Bolshunov and Klaebo to struggle. Klaebo did struggle, eventually. Bolshunov didn't, he did the opposite. The mass start and the team tactics really helped out Bolshunov, as Spitsov, I felt, could have and should have gone with the two Norwegians, but he was likely advised to stay and help out the two leaders as long as possible. Ustiugov didn't look too bad, tbh, he looked more or less the same as last year on the climb, but Bolshunov was a completely different force this time on Alpe Cermis. Last season and two seasons ago, he was already struggling before the really steep pitches came, and he barely made it across the line. I know the hard, and fast conditions played a role, as did team tactics and drafting, but yeah I expected him to struggle. Not as much as last year, but still struggle to hold off Ustiugov.
 
Don't remember which year that was that Poltoranin skied up the Alpe so well, but a race that was really suspicious to me was the 50km in Korea. Poltoranin blew up, from skiing with Niskanen to ending in what was it, 15, 16th place. Exactly a year later, he is caught up in a doping ring. I heard he confessed to having worked with Schmidt and doped, but even without the events of last year, I would have wondered at how Niskanen just drove away like that. Sure, Niskanen didn't change his skis when everyone else did earlier, and Bolshunov catching him was partly due to having a fresh pair of skis, but nobody else went with the pace. Niskanen was driving hard from the point he went into the lead. I question the results of both men in that race. The big gap to the chasing pack was due in part to cat-and-mouse tactics of the chasers when they realized it was hopeless to try to catch the two (and before Poltoranin blew up, three) men up front. Bolshunov skied away from the pack to catch Poltoranin, who was fading by then, and Niskanen, who was still looking very strong, just was on less than fresh skis.

Going back to today, yeah, from the camera angles I thought it was Melnichenko up there skiing with Ustiugov, and that would have been less surprising, he is a smaller, lighter skier that skis technically very well, had the third fastest time in last year's final stage and who I thought would be, along with Spitsov, the Russian(s) who could challenge the two Norwegians, but definitely the team tactics prevented him from doing that, IMO.
 
Bolshunov suddenly flying up the Alpe Cermis, finishing 3rd and dropping Ustiugov feels a bit too good to be true....
Not really that surprising...

At 23 Bolshunov has been at the pointy end of virtually every WC race for the past 3 years. Even Klaebo has the decency to crack once in a while.

 
Not really that surprising...

At 23 Bolshunov has been at the pointy end of virtually every WC race for the past 3 years. Even Klaebo has the decency to crack once in a while.

Bolshunov has a history of being pretty bad on the Alpe Cermis and loosing podium spots, so him finishing 3rd is unexpected.
 
I just watched the men's race again, and because they widened the climb, they had to not make a lot of the curves so steep as year's before. There were less switchbacks today than before, and that helps bigger guys like Bolshunov. I know the camera makes it seem like it's less steep than it actually is, but really they did make the hill easier in terms of less turns and factor in the conditions and format, it favored Bolshunov, though not so much that he'd ski away from Ustiugov, Spitsov, Cologna and finish so close to Roethe and Krüger. I also wonder why the two Norwegians didn't go from the bottom of the climb. They were right up there amongst the leaders, the weren't far behind.
 

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