python said:
Yikes, it looks like someone photoshopped that arm onto Bjeorgen!
Wonder if she has a supersized clitoris to go along with those guns?.
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python said:
Pazuzu said:Yikes, it looks like someone photoshopped that arm onto Bjeorgen!
Wonder if she has a supersized clitoris to go along with those guns?.
Cloxxki said:Is there a connection we should be worried about then? Or could this point to an all-NO doping network? The girls were eerily dominant last season... One looking like a freight train, the other like a stick figure on well, amphetamie. I'm totally in love with the latter, though...
Nothing precise about any precise connections, obviously. But even if they had stone grinded skis, dominating from the early EPO years on with practically no one getting popped continues to raise some eyebrows and questions. So let's just say it's kinda funny that there is an immediate reaction from the skiers. Wasn't the whole thing about cycling, anyway?Cloxxki said:Is there a connection we should be worried about then? Or could this point to an all-NO doping network? The girls were eerily dominant last season... One looking like a freight train, the other like a stick figure on well, amphetamie. I'm totally in love with the latter, though...
Indeed. Emerges like the third of the seasons!goggalor said:Kari-Pekka Kyrö! Haven't heard that name since... last year. I guess that means the XC season is nearing.
meat puppet said:Nothing precise about any precise connections, obviously. But even if they had stone grinded skis, dominating from the early EPO years on with practically no one getting popped continues to raise some eyebrows and questions. So let's just say it's kinda funny that there is an immediate reaction from the skiers. Wasn't the whole thing about cycling, anyway?
Skimming thru Norwegian news sites, it seems that the Kjargaard story has got some attention and perhaps some of that attention will trickle down to other endurance sports as well. Hence the wording damage control in my OP. In Finland, as one might imagine, the story has gotten some spin, too. Kari-Pekka Kyrö for one made a sniding remark that this is like a small pimple being bursted. The implication being that there has been a nationwide programme all along. Predicts that no positives will come from XC skiing, tho.
Maybe our on-site reporters are better informed?
ToreBear said:I also think we will see some girls from other countries being noticed as having made big improvements, probably surprising some, but not me.
TomasC said:So who's that? Come on.
neineinei said:http://sport.aftenposten.no/sport/article255092.ece
IOC didn't want to test blood during 1994 Olympics. The Norwegian Olympic Comittee and FIS was allowed to do testing, FIS had been testing blood since 1989, and trying to make IOC do the same for five years. However, IOC didn't allow them to store the samples for re-testing, and an official from IOC stod by when the tests was analyzied and made sure that every bloodsample was disposed of after it had been analyzed.
Pazuzu said:Yikes, it looks like someone photoshopped that arm onto Bjeorgen!
@Python,python said:http://www.aftonbladet.se/sportbladet/vintersport/skidor/article15644343.ab
(in swedish)
(translated)
bengt saltin, ‘…clearly, some national teams use epo, i know a tad too much’
he said this during the swedish team’s high-altitude camp in italy about 3 weeks ago. (for those unfamiliar, bengt was the anti-doping czar at fis and is a true pioneer of longitudinal blood studies and monitoring. he is now a consultant with the swedish team)
What nation(s) did he mean ?
the finns who have been rather quiet since the times revealed by kari-pekka kyrö ?
the russians who after a wave of the recent epo scandals have little to show except for their sprinters ?
the swiss whose single superstar cologna could hardly constitute a nation ?
the canadians whose kershaw and harvey moved up but are hardly a dominant nation ?
the americans who have been a non-factor for ever ?
could this be the norwegians ? nah, Charlotte Kalla (in another recent article in aftonbladet) went out of her way to praise the Norwegians for being very open and transparent with her, even sharing the video…)
btw, the article also describes the innovative high altitude approach used by the swedes for the first time. It involves monitoring not only the lactate but also around the clock oxygen saturation, even during their sleep. The goal was to determine optimum altitude for each skier allowing maximizing rbc production. saltin said that differences between the skier were significant. They also mentioned that northug checked into the same high-altitude hotel where the swedes were staying.
before i express my opinion, i’d separate the 2 issues - the credible science and the propaganda - because they are not mutually exclusive …Cloxxki said:@Python,
Please offer your view on high-altitude training. Which % do you offer to both the credible science side and the BS Propaganda side of that?
Mine: 30/70.
That's exactly what most people are doing on various Norwegian forums right now. They're using precisely the same arguments as Armstrong did..."he's just jealous, the Finns are bitter and have no credibility" etc. Also some threats against the source in true Armstrong-style.the sceptic said:Very interesting. If that source is Norwegian and legitimate, then its going to be hard to dismiss him as a bitter and jealous hater.
the sceptic said:Very interesting. If that source is Norwegian and legitimate, then its going to be hard to dismiss him as a bitter and jealous hater.
Velo1ticker said:Heard the Finnish claims for years (first after 1984 Olympics and increasingly after they themselves were caught repeatedly). Last time around: If... , and now: If..! If they got some new information I (everyone) would like to know. Your statement has been valid for more than a couple of decades and so what? Why are you not interested in those you and everyone else know are guilty and why repeat old stories as it was new?