Doping in XC skiing

[Libertine Seguros]

Better? Looks close to perfect from what I can tell.

you know the context I meant.

 

[kingjr]

(she's better than this)

Could you elaborate on that?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

you know the context I meant.

I do, and meant no offence.

I still don't understand why women in sport - professionals - do not generate sufficient income to match men. The sport is as exciting to watch, and some would say more aesthetically pleasing.

It's a bit catch-22, in some ways: don't take advantage of the photo opps available, and don't generate revenue. take advantage of the photo opps to generate revenue and potentially affect your ability to earn revenue through your sport, due to the mentality propagated by your actions.

Having seen a friend get paid a pittance or even nothing in the women's pro cycling scene, it's something I'd like to see fixed, but have no good ideas of how that can be done.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Could you elaborate on that?

It comes across as out of character for her. She's never even done lad's mag type shoots prior to this. I had hoped her natural character and appeal in the sport could carry her and therefore she could steer clear of this kind of thing.

 

[MrRoboto]

It's a bit catch-22, in some ways: don't take advantage of the photo opps available, and don't generate revenue. take advantage of the photo opps to generate revenue and potentially affect your ability to earn revenue through your sport, due to the mentality propagated by your actions.

I don't think Gössner did this because she's desperate for money. I'm guessing she has enough of lucrative sponsor deals thrown after her, and is quite well off.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I don't think Gössner did this because she's desperate for money. I'm guessing she has enough of lucrative sponsor deals thrown after her, and is quite well off.

Live fast, and if you're not going to die young, at least have a good looking portfolio?

 

[blackcat]

Having seen a friend get paid a pittance or even nothing in the women's pro cycling scene, it's something I'd like to see fixed, but have no good ideas of how that can be done.

thing is, I am a really good looking handsome guy. <think> hollywood handsome. great jawline, great bone structure. mcconaughy has nothing on me i tell ya.

but my modelling contracts pay be an enth of what gisele bundchen gets. it aint fair. it just aint fair. the photographers dont even wish to bang me cos they are mostly men and not women.

 

[python]

Gössner now

if we are to apply the not yet wada validated MPSI test - muscle per square inch - (based on the bjoergen-randall muscularity index) - gössner is ABSOLUTELY clean.

i am not applying even the minimum required in the clinic sarcasm.

judge for yourself
(the link removed )

miriam has gifted humanity over 20 shots of just about every part of her body. any select group of wada-certified medics examining all her muscle groups involved in balancing and propulsion on skis or weapon carrying, would find no signs of massive, chiseled subcutaneous proteins.

NONE.

only natural forms of a young athletic woman. again, no joking.


based onthe miriam's reference, marit and kikan should be immediately thrown out of the olympics

again, be your own judge.

 

[ToreBear]

I really don't like this stuff either. Also, my guess is a ton of make up and photoshop, and the real person is totally different(not as good looking as IRL).

It makes it difficult for girls and women to live up to such ideals. Perfect for those who make money on improvements and treating those who have succumbed to illnesses because they feel they can't measure up.

For me, it's a distracting element. I want to think performance when I'm watching sport. And for that I need all my blood in my brain.

 

[Trond Vidar]

Worst skies ever for the Norwegian Ladies in the 10K right now. Kowa outglides Weng even though Weng has the advantage of not taking wind.

 

[ToreBear]

Worst skies ever for the Norwegian Ladies in the 10K right now. Kowa outglides Weng even though Weng has the advantage of not taking wind.

I don't have an opinion on the skis yet. I need more information. But how do you know that about Kowa vs. Weng? I saw it on tv2 and all I heard was the commentators talking about Weng not being able to keep up.

Weng often is slow straight downhill. And her double polling is still pretty weak compared to Kowa. So even with equal glide, I would still see Kowa having an advantage.

Hjelmeseth and Aukland are not ready to conclude anything either.

 

[kingjr]

It comes across as out of character for her.

And that's probably why she did it.

 

[Shardi]

Björgen was soo tired at the end there, this championship might be rough come saturday and the 30km. Kalla looked composed, will be very dangerous on the 30km free.

Whats up with Legkov + Vylegshanin not starting tomorrows 15km classic (according to swedish commentators)?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I really don't like this stuff either. Also, my guess is a ton of make up and photoshop, and the real person is totally different(not as good looking as IRL).

I never get that, but it's universal across all parts of the modelling, fashion and glamour industries sadly. She's a really pretty girl already, why would she need to be totally retouched and photoshopped and turned into something only tangentially recognizable to those who follow her in her day job? After all, it was that people found her appealing in that job that caused them to be interested in getting her in.

And that's probably why she did it.

Certainly probable. But I like her character - she's guaranteed entertainment as an athlete, she's funny, she's smart and she wears her emotions on her sleeve. I see no problems with that character at all, except perhaps that in her fifth season as a pro (one as an XC skier and four as a biathlete) the press still treat her like she's merely Magdalena Neuner's kid sister even two years after Lena retired and after she's won multiple World Cup races and missed a XC World Championship medal by half a second.

Ultimately, I'm a huge fan of Miri's, have been for years, and will remain so. She and Lars Berger are the two biathletes I will not hear any criticism of (but of course hypocritically I allow myself to criticise them ). But I cannot say that I was not a little sad to hear that she'd done this, as previously illustrated.

 

[Trond Vidar]

I don't have an opinion on the skis yet. I need more information. But how do you know that about Kowa vs. Weng? I saw it on tv2 and all I heard was the commentators talking about Weng not being able to keep up.

Weng often is slow straight downhill. And her double polling is still pretty weak compared to Kowa. So even with equal glide, I would still see Kowa having an advantage.

Hjelmeseth and Aukland are not ready to conclude anything either.

I heard the same as you, so I didn't not see the part either. Afterwards there was a lot of talk about the skis, and Bjørgen perhaps the most polite.

They got killed by better skiers today as well

 

[Kokoso]

Don't remember Eder soft fast before.

 

[wansteadimp]

if we are to apply the not yet wada validated MPSI test - muscle per square inch - (based on the bjoergen-randall muscularity index) - gössner is ABSOLUTELY clean.

i am not applying even the minimum required in the clinic sarcasm.

judge for yourself
(the link removed )

miriam has gifted humanity over 20 shots of just about every part of her body. any select group of wada-certified medics examining all her muscle groups involved in balancing and propulsion on skis or weapon carrying, would find no signs of massive, chiseled subcutaneous proteins.

NONE.

only natural forms of a young athletic woman. again, no joking.


based onthe miriam's reference, marit and kikan should be immediately thrown out of the olympics

again, be your own judge.

Presumably, she missed 30% or so of these though, particularly in the stand.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

What exactly is wrong about seeing the parallel between Koss and Armstrong, when Koss is even an MP?
A 1500m specialist breaks the 10km WR (classics specialist rules GC's) which was never after beaten on rigid skates. Few skaters today manage that time, even at altitude, on clapskates.
Livestrong was also a great org supported by many. Heck, I was one of the millions supporting it in my little way. Perhaps Koss does live in poverty and doesn't get any kick backs ever. No personal speaking fees, nothing.
It does't really matter for the topic at hand - suspect performances.
It's not a big stretch to consider the Dutch speed skaters were well prepared for Lillehammer. PDM used EPO from 1987. We had an 800m OC in 1992 Barca. Yet Koss upped his game by several per cents.
Swell guy, giving back to the world I'm sure, but hard to make a case or him having been clean. Perhaps when he got off the juice he realized just how much his boost had been, and he went all-out to try and balance his Karma. Totally what I would have done, had I sunk so low.
Hey, it's just speculation. After time, nearly all come out. I'm not betting anything that Koss as an old man on his deathbed will whisper to the nurses that he really was clean all along.

The huge differences between Armstrong and Koss are these

1. There were two Livestrongs. Livestrong.org which was the charity and Livestrong.com which was Armstrongs personal money making corporate entity. Armstrong started Livestrong.org to feed his ego. He also billed Livestrong.org for appearances making money off people be deceiving them he was clean. This is simply egregious conduct.

Koss has never tried to promote himself or make money off of Right to Play.

2. In spite of your speculation there is no evidence Koss doped. Given his character it is highly unlikely he did. We know Armstrong doped and lied, cheated, deceived about it for years solely to make money and for fame. There is no comparison. And why would you raise speculation such as this in a blog? You know the CN rules. Doing so destroys all credibility you have about your post.

3. Other clean athletes endorse and support Koss and Right to Play. Only other greedy, cheating and deceptive cyclists endorsed LA such as Hincapie.

4. Koss is not a self-seeking celebrity, Armstrong is without doubt the most vain , self-serving, fame addicted, power monger, hubristic bully who ever disgraced sport.

That should do!

 

[the sceptic]

Highly unlikely he doped because he is a nice guy? He destroyed the field in the middle of the EPO era.

 

[diorgen]

Character has zero to do with whether one dopes. Absolute fallacy.

 

[Shardi]

any news on Legkov and Vylegshanin not starting today? Gambled too much with substances, having a glowtime backlash or internal power-struggle/chaos in the team?

 

[python]

if you cared to read posts by others, you'd find all your answers...

 

[neineinei]

The huge differences between Armstrong and Koss are these

1. There were two Livestrongs. Livestrong.org which was the charity and Livestrong.com which was Armstrongs personal money making corporate entity. Armstrong started Livestrong.org to feed his ego. He also billed Livestrong.org for appearances making money off people be deceiving them he was clean. This is simply egregious conduct.

Koss has never tried to promote himself or make money off of Right to Play.

2. In spite of your speculation there is no evidence Koss doped. Given his character it is highly unlikely he did. We know Armstrong doped and lied, cheated, deceived about it for years solely to make money and for fame. There is no comparison. And why would you raise speculation such as this in a blog? You know the CN rules. Doing so destroys all credibility you have about your post.

3. Other clean athletes endorse and support Koss and Right to Play. Only other greedy, cheating and deceptive cyclists endorsed LA such as Hincapie.

4. Koss is not a self-seeking celebrity, Armstrong is without doubt the most vain , self-serving, fame addicted, power monger, hubristic bully who ever disgraced sport.

That should do!

to it all, and to the bolded part this:

Lance Armstrong, Right To Play Athlete Ambassador and Tour de France winner… “Sport for Development programs are harnessing the power of sport and play to put children on a healthier development path. As my personal experiences have shown, sport has the power to change and heal lives, to build self-esteem, confidence and leadership and to create extraordinary possibilities. Sport and play are not luxuries but important and necessary building blocks. Please join Right To Play in helping to ensure every child’s right to play.”

http://righttoplay.akaraisin.com/pledge/Participant/Home.aspx?seid=2962&mid=9&Lang=en-CA&pid=241900

 

[kottila]

That Norwegian doping..

 

[classicomano]

I remember a story that Koss got his "training advice" from none other than Francesco Conconi.