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sittingbison

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thrawn said:
...Anyway a lot of rugby (league & union) are on a pretty good program these days. Princesses 100kg+ with no body fat and running like lightning? Please.
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fixed it for you at ne extra cost ;)

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hehe :D
 
blackcat

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thrawn said:
Aren't ASADA still preparing the case to present to the NRL?

On a Paul Gallen related note, Brian Smith, former head coach and now an assistant somewhere I think alluded in an article to Gallen's doping. It referred to someone he turned down at Parra as they were too small. About 18 months later the same person turned up at another club massive. In most league circles it was recognised he was talking about Gallen.

Anyway a lot of rugby (league & union) are on a pretty good program these days. Backs 100kg+ with no body fat and running like lightning? Please.
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Jonah lomu?

I thought he was natural and just a beast when I was a whipper snapper. it took me cycling and hindsight to see that I was a naïve whippersnapper
 
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blackcat said:
Jonah lomu?

I thought he was natural and just a beast when I was a whipper snapper. it took me cycling and hindsight to see that I was a naïve whippersnapper
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He's had a lot of health problems hasn't he?
 
blackcat

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SundayRider said:
He's had a lot of health problems hasn't he?
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needed a kidney transplant, but he had shown indications of kidney disease when 19.

but a 120 kg, 6'5 back, who runs 10.4

cycling terminology = "NOT NORMAL"
 
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blackcat said:
needed a kidney transplant, but he had shown indications of kidney disease when 19.

but a 120 kg, 6'5 back, who runs 10.4

cycling terminology = "NOT NORMAL"
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It's a genuine disease and contributed to my father's early death.
 
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blackcat said:
needed a kidney transplant, but he had shown indications of kidney disease when 19.

but a 120 kg, 6'5 back, who runs 10.4

cycling terminology = "NOT NORMAL"
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Lomu never ran 10.4, it was more like 10.9 while at the All Blacks and even then some rugby critics say he never bettered the very low 11's he ran at school as a 105kg 16 year old. Not normal? No, freak of nature.
 
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I would be very surprised if Lomu was a juicer, he was a beast from 14yrs old. Just a freak of nature.
 
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ralphbert said:
I would be very surprised if Lomu was a juicer, he was a beast from 14yrs old. Just a freak of nature.
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again, you fail to recognise, he was indeed off the bell curve.

even in a group of athletes, that all were off the bell curve, say a new bell curve, Lomu is still deviations from this mean. Say, at Olympics, Usain Bolt is still off the bell curve of those athletes.

but let us assume that all those athletes dope at Olympics, does usain bolt still be sooooo ssuperior, to be off the bell curve of doping athletes.

for this Olympic anology, see: rugby union circa mid 90s.

ofcourse Lomu was a beast, was a natural athlete, and had the genetics. We are not denying these fundamentals.

We are just proposing, when he went into the den of the lion, he did as the romans do.

when in rome, do as romans do.

it is a false dichotomy, to say "natural talents, god given genetics =/= dope".

can be naturally talented, step into the cauldron, take the plunge with the hypodermic, and still dope like they all do. can do/be both.

it is my position, they do.
 
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Yes it's possible but my gut feel is no. He is a simple character, especially in his late teens when burst on to the scene. If he has tasted the magic sauce it would have been feed to him rather than asked for, which is terrible, especially if it had a hand in his health issues, he was always so far ahead of the curve, joining the all blacks from school that I just don't see the motivation to use something to increase size and speed. With his strong family environment around him I think unlikely, so my gut feeling is no. But been wrong plenty of times according to my wife.
 
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ralphbert said:
Yes it's possible but my gut feel is no. He is a simple character, especially in his late teens when burst on to the scene. If he has tasted the magic sauce it would have been feed to him rather than asked for, which is terrible, especially if it had a hand in his health issues, he was always so far ahead of the curve, joining the all blacks from school that I just don't see the motivation to use something to increase size and speed. With his strong family environment around him I think unlikely, so my gut feeling is no. But been wrong plenty of times according to my wife.
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A bit like Indurain there's more of a temptation to believe in someone like Lomu, just because they do appear to be such genetic outliers - there will after all be the occasional freak (in the nicest possible way). The tricky thing for rugby is that when Lomu emerged he was a major outlier - no one had seen anyone like him, >1m90 & >100kg but fast enough to be on the wing - now Wales alone have two wingers Cuthbert and North who both meet that description. :eek:
 
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I can't comment on his kidney disease, don't know enough about it but I find it very difficult to believe Lomu was clean. His physical attributes were so far advanced it was crazy.
 
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Rugby's drug problem exposed as RFU boss admits: We realise it's an issue. We're addressing it

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-2863758/Rugby-s-drug-problem-exposed-RFU-boss-admits-realise-s-issue-addressing-it.html
Former coach says he walked away from the professional game in disgust at the scale of drug-taking
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Looks like they have a new generation too.
Meanwhile, a recent study of South African schoolboy players returned 12 positive tests for anabolic steroids out of just 52 undertaken.
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The article is not without it's own comedy gold.
Nicola Newman, the director of communications and education at UK Anti-Doping, who run the RFU’s testing programme, said the evidence points to more of a problem in the junior ranks than at elite level :rolleyes: but agrees that questions should be asked across the whole of rugby union.
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Gee. Say it ain't so, Nicola.

‘What we are acknowledging, based on evidence, is a trend towards younger players testing positive. The evidence suggests younger players and players at lower levels are trying to get into the top level by using banned substances.

‘Our understanding is that it is easy to buy steroids, but there are an awful lot of risks involved. The substances could be anything. They will have no idea of the dosages. But it is not illegal to buy steroids for personal use. It is only illegal to sell them or supply to others.’
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"Our understanding"? Did "the director of communications and education at UK Anti-Doping" just arrive on the scene? :confused:


The RFU now employ two full-time anti-doping officers...
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Two. Did you read that?! TWO! That should send shivers down the spine...of every single person in the league. :rolleyes:
 
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Briant_Gumble said:
I can't comment on his kidney disease, don't know enough about it but I find it very difficult to believe Lomu was clean. His physical attributes were so far advanced it was crazy.
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If he was playing now though he would be normal. Rugby is ridiculous now though, the physiques are grotesque.
 
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SundayRider said:
If he was playing now though he would be normal. Rugby is ridiculous now though, the physiques are grotesque.
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I don't know about ridiculous/grotesque, but there are a lot of big b*ggers about nowadays. Isn't Julian Savea bigger and faster than Lomu? He's certainly a better player.

Nice to see that England's new-found creativity comes from a relative midget of 5'11'' and 14 stone or so.

One guy who never seems to register on the "freakish" scale is Tom Croft. Maybe because he's injured so much or is quite "skinny". At 6'6'' and 17+ stone, he's a big b*gger but is seriously fast across the ground. Aaron Mauger (ex All Black who presumably knows a thing or two) says he's the fastest back row forward he's ever encountered. There's certainly very few of the England backs who are faster.
 
thehog

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Morbius said:
This is the view of one of the people who were playing against France when they were apparently all on amphetamines.

During the match Shelford had four teeth knocked out and a gash to his scrotum leaving a testicle hanging free, but he had the wound stiched up and carried on playing:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ru...ays-former-All-Black-Wayne-Buck-Shelford.html
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Of course it was only the French using drugs. England, the All Blacks and Australia were clean... LOL! :cool:
 
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