Dumoulin.

[Gung Ho Gun]

He says he puffed for a year because he suffered (anxiety/choking feeling? I don't know how to translate benauwdheid), stopped because it didn't help. He would definitely "take a small puff" if he started suffering from exercise-induced asthma.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

https://www.twitter.com/WestemeyerSusan/status/982177250505211904

tom dumoulin says he has used Salbutamol in the past and would do so again if needed

Did Major Tom
match CF's 2000 ante/brag?

 

[pastronef]

https://www.twitter.com/WestemeyerSusan/status/982177250505211904

tom dumoulin says he has used Salbutamol in the past and would do so again if needed

Did Major Tom
match CF's 2000 ante/brag?

not that we know. not me nor Susan said so

 

[Alpe73]

Re:

He says he puffed for a year because he suffered (anxiety/choking feeling? I don't know how to translate benauwdheid), stopped because it didn't help. He would definitely "take a small puff" if he started suffering from exercise-induced asthma.

I wish both Tom and Chris good health and good racing ... and may the best man (Tom, Chris or anyone else) win.
Bring on the racing ... infitely more edifying than moaning and groaning. :geek:

 

[rick james]

https://www.twitter.com/WestemeyerSusan/status/982177250505211904

tom dumoulin says he has used Salbutamol in the past and would do so again if needed

well tickle me pink I am shocked

 

[rick james]

Re:

He says he puffed for a year because he suffered (anxiety/choking feeling? I don't know how to translate benauwdheid), stopped because it didn't help. He would definitely "take a small puff" if he started suffering from exercise-induced asthma.

what? it seems he is using it and doesn't have asthma! maybe something wrong in his head?

 

[red_flanders]

Re: Re:

He says he puffed for a year because he suffered (anxiety/choking feeling? I don't know how to translate benauwdheid), stopped because it didn't help. He would definitely "take a small puff" if he started suffering from exercise-induced asthma.

what? it seems he is using it and doesn't have asthma! maybe something wrong in his head?

Maybe, just maybe, Salbutamol has uses in cycling other than the treatment of asthma. Apparently, some people who don't actually have asthma use it in cycling. I know, it's a shocker.

 

[rick james]

Re: Re:

He says he puffed for a year because he suffered (anxiety/choking feeling? I don't know how to translate benauwdheid), stopped because it didn't help. He would definitely "take a small puff" if he started suffering from exercise-induced asthma.

what? it seems he is using it and doesn't have asthma! maybe something wrong in his head?

Maybe, just maybe, Salbutamol has uses in cycling other than the treatment of asthma. Apparently, some people who don't actually have asthma use it in cycling. I know, it's a shocker.

how much would a non asthmatic need before he gets any use out of it? and what use will he get from it?

 

[rick james]

a non asthmatic using an asthma treatment, have the ethical committee seen this yet?

 

[red_flanders]

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a non asthmatic using an asthma treatment, have the ethical committee seen this yet?

Because no one has ever made up exercise induced asthma to get a scrip in the history of cycling?

He mentions constriction of the airway, which Salbutamol might help.

how much would a non asthmatic need before he gets any use out of it? and what use will he get from it?

Offhand I'd guess about twice the limit.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Benauwdheid = dyspnoea, laboured breathing

 

[Alpe73]

Re: Re:

a non asthmatic using an asthma treatment, have the ethical committee seen this yet?

Because no one has ever made up exercise induced asthma to get a scrip in the history of cycling?

He mentions constriction of the airway, which Salbutamol might help.

how much would a non asthmatic need before he gets any use out of it? and what use will he get from it?

Offhand I'd guess about twice the limit.

A lot of 'maybes" and 'guesses', RF.

Maybe it's time for a 'deep dive' on the Salbutomol thread.

 

[veganrob]

Re: Re:

He says he puffed for a year because he suffered (anxiety/choking feeling? I don't know how to translate benauwdheid), stopped because it didn't help. He would definitely "take a small puff" if he started suffering from exercise-induced asthma.

what? it seems he is using it and doesn't have asthma! maybe something wrong in his head?

Maybe, just maybe, Salbutamol has uses in cycling other than the treatment of asthma. Apparently, some people who don't actually have asthma use it in cycling. I know, it's a shocker.

how much would a non asthmatic need before he gets any use out of it? and what use will he get from it?

There are many examples of drugs being used for treatment for other than their intended purpose.
So what's your point?

 

[red_flanders]

Re: Re:

a non asthmatic using an asthma treatment, have the ethical committee seen this yet?

Because no one has ever made up exercise induced asthma to get a scrip in the history of cycling?

He mentions constriction of the airway, which Salbutamol might help.

how much would a non asthmatic need before he gets any use out of it? and what use will he get from it?

Offhand I'd guess about twice the limit.

A lot of 'maybes" and 'guesses', RF.

Maybe it's time for a 'deep dive' on the Salbutomol thread.

Lighten up, Francis. :lol:

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

oh my god this clinic really overdoes themselves sometimes. hey he might have used nasal spray for a cold in the past. Fire him for doping. Jesus christ. lol

 

[gmedina]

dumo is unbeatable in the tt and the moutains....losing only 12 secs...

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Well

The amount of pure watts he has to put out in comparison to the lightweight climbers is unreal

 

[Pantani Attacks]

Dumoulindurain

 

[proffate]

Re:

Well

The amount of pure watts he has to put out in comparison to the lightweight climbers is unreal

purely on power to weight that graphic doesn't make a lot of sense. Is Pozzovivo really heavier than Chaves? Is Pozzo creating a lot of extra resistance by being out of the saddle constantly? Or are the power meters just out of calibration with one another?

 

[DFA123]

Re: Re:

Well

The amount of pure watts he has to put out in comparison to the lightweight climbers is unreal

purely on power to weight that graphic doesn't make a lot of sense. Is Pozzovivo really heavier than Chaves? Is Pozzo creating a lot of extra resistance by being out of the saddle constantly? Or are the power meters just out of calibration with one another?

Maybe just time in the wind. I know it averaged about 8% for the last 3km, but they must have been going over 20km/h for most of it, so drafting would have had some benefit. Especially in the last km and build up to the sprint.

 

[Kokoso]

Re: Re:

He says he puffed for a year because he suffered (anxiety/choking feeling? I don't know how to translate benauwdheid), stopped because it didn't help. He would definitely "take a small puff" if he started suffering from exercise-induced asthma.

what? it seems he is using it and doesn't have asthma! maybe something wrong in his head?

Maybe, just maybe, Salbutamol has uses in cycling other than the treatment of asthma. Apparently, some people who don't actually have asthma use it in cycling. I know, it's a shocker.

What other uses? What's the point of this pointless reaction?

 

[Kokoso]

Re:

oh my god this clinic really overdoes themselves sometimes. hey he might have used nasal spray for a cold in the past. Fire him for doping. Jesus christ. lol

...aren't you from Netherlands, or Dumoulin fan maybe, or both? Cause otherwise this doesn't make a sense; you are saying that using substance with potential for performance enhancing is perfectly ok and people who are wondering about that are kinda acting like a jerks or something.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Dude, even a sandwhich might improve your performance on a bike. Ban all riders who ever eaten a sandwhich as well.

 

[PremierAndrew]

All the attention is on Froome right now but Dumoulin's performance today was nothing short of exceptional too

 

[TheSpud]

Re:

All the attention is on Froome right now but Dumoulin's performance today was nothing short of exceptional too

Indeed - almost as many km working for himself as Froome ...