Dumoulin.

[Red Rick]

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All the attention is on Froome right now but Dumoulin's performance today was nothing short of exceptional too

Yes it was.

Imagine if Dumoulin has a *** day and Froome soloes it home by 6 minutes.

 

[ppanther92]

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All the attention is on Froome right now but Dumoulin's performance today was nothing short of exceptional too

Indeed - almost as many km working for himself as Froome ...

While the performance was exceptional ineed, i would say not even half. When Reichenbach could work, no one else did for a while. When Reichenbach wasn't there, Pinot was riding to (60/40 for Dumoulin i would say, maybe 70/30). Before the Jafferau Reichenbach, Pinot and Dumoulin alternated.

 

[Bardamu]

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All the attention is on Froome right now but Dumoulin's performance today was nothing short of exceptional too

Indeed - almost as many km working for himself as Froome ...

In which he consistently lost time.

 

[RedheadDane]

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All the attention is on Froome right now but Dumoulin's performance today was nothing short of exceptional too

Yes it was.

Imagine if Dumoulin has a **** day and Froome soloes it home by 6 minutes.

I just still can't read anything about Dumoulin having a s*** day (I'm assuming that's the word you were using) without smiling a little...

 

[TheSpud]

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All the attention is on Froome right now but Dumoulin's performance today was nothing short of exceptional too

Indeed - almost as many km working for himself as Froome ...

In which he consistently lost time.

Only to Froome - he put time in to everyone else in the race (except the 4 hangers on) ...

 

[hrotha]

And what about Della Santa at the 1994 Flèche Wallonne. Why does nobody focus on THAT.

 

[TubularBills]

What a joke.

Reminds me of a Hincapie's summit win in the Tour.

At least plastic Surgery makes you look good.

 

[roundabout]

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And what about Della Santa at the 1994 Flèche Wallonne. Why does nobody focus on THAT.

I don't recall if he was easily the second strongest rider that day to use him as a comparison.

And as absolutely ridiculous as Froome's ride was, a non-climber with relatively few references in difficult high mountain stages over his career being conclusively dropped only with 300 meters to go after working by far the most in his group over the previous 2 hours should absolutely merit a discussion without any attempts at deflection.

 

[Bardamu]

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And what about Della Santa at the 1994 Flèche Wallonne. Why does nobody focus on THAT.

I don't recall if he was easily the second strongest rider that day to use him as a comparison.

And as absolutely ridiculous as Froome's ride was, a non-climber with relatively few references in difficult high mountain stages over his career being conclusively dropped only with 300 meters to go after working by far the most in his group over the previous 2 hours should absolutely merit a discussion without any attempts at deflection.

He won the queen stage in the TdF, has won a Giro before, contended for a Vuelta victory 3years ago already.

 

[roundabout]

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And what about Della Santa at the 1994 Flèche Wallonne. Why does nobody focus on THAT.

I don't recall if he was easily the second strongest rider that day to use him as a comparison.

And as absolutely ridiculous as Froome's ride was, a non-climber with relatively few references in difficult high mountain stages over his career being conclusively dropped only with 300 meters to go after working by far the most in his group over the previous 2 hours should absolutely merit a discussion without any attempts at deflection.

He won the queen stage in the TdF, has won a Giro before, contended for a Vuelta victory 3years ago already.

Not sure which part of my post you are objecting to, but to answer your examples

He won the Tour stage from a break (granted, against very good riders)

His Giro win did not involve this level of performance in a high mountain stage.

And in that Vuelta he was closer to 10th best climber than second in the really difficult stages.

 

[Bardamu]

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And what about Della Santa at the 1994 Flèche Wallonne. Why does nobody focus on THAT.

I don't recall if he was easily the second strongest rider that day to use him as a comparison.

And as absolutely ridiculous as Froome's ride was, a non-climber with relatively few references in difficult high mountain stages over his career being conclusively dropped only with 300 meters to go after working by far the most in his group over the previous 2 hours should absolutely merit a discussion without any attempts at deflection.

He won the queen stage in the TdF, has won a Giro before, contended for a Vuelta victory 3years ago already.

Not sure which part of my post you are objecting to, but to answer your examples

He won the Tour stage from a break (granted, against very good riders)

His Giro win did not involve this level of performance in a high mountain stage.

And in that Vuelta he was closer to 10th best climber than second in the really difficult stages.

You're right, I just wanted to emphasize his performances aren't exactly coming out of nowhere.

 

[ontheroad]

Super strong again today. A bit like in the Giro on the Finestre stage, his ride will get slightly overshadowed by Sky but he has shown a huge ability to produce long sustained solo rides going up mountains. Looks like the only true contender to Sky at present though a podium place is more of a realistic target.

 

[Franklin]

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And what about Della Santa at the 1994 Flèche Wallonne. Why does nobody focus on THAT.

I don't recall if he was easily the second strongest rider that day to use him as a comparison.

And as absolutely ridiculous as Froome's ride was, a non-climber with relatively few references in difficult high mountain stages over his career being conclusively dropped only with 300 meters to go after working by far the most in his group over the previous 2 hours should absolutely merit a discussion without any attempts at deflection.

Doper for sure, but considering he has been mixing it up in GT's for years it's quite something to say he has few references in difficult mountain stages. And yeah he lost time in his first Vuelta, but only at the end. He was among the best climbers that round for most of the time... and that as a youngster. Progression is not as insane as junior P-R winner winning a Mountain stage

But yeah TD is a doper, big time. His past performances are pretty much an assurance of that fact.

 

[roundabout]

You forgot one of these in your post

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0149/3544/products/citation_stickers_300x300_f72b56cc-8bbe-426c-a52a-10fb939056e9_large.png?v=1479786241

 

[DFA123]

lol, this guy is as ridiculous as Thomas. If he wasn't so tactically inept he'd have a palmares like Froome's by now.

 

[Eclipse]

I think it's good for Tom that he lives in the Sky era or nobody would be able to take him seriously

 

[SeriousSam]

He really is almost on Froome's level now.

 

[Franklin]

Sorry roundabout, no citations needed. Because... hold your breath... these palmares can be checked online and lo and behold... they are indeed as they are told here. For example, we can actually read up how he did in the Vuelta and amazingly enough, he entered the last mountainstage as race leader. Facts... crazy aren't they? I mean, here you go acting alll amazed about this all when I actually dare to look into the past of TD.

i understand that this pointing to past results as they happened are kind of surprising, as facts are a very nasty way of discsussing

And no, I do not claim this to be in any way done clean. But that Tom's progression is quite similar to how other grandees became GT contender? Yep

He really is almost on Froome's level now.

We knew that since the Giro. Quite something to see this jet-powered dueling.

 

[DFA123]

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He really is almost on Froome's level now.

He's already far better than Froome in the TT and now pretty much as good at climbing. Plus he's mixing it up in one day races. He's the number one alien in the peloton these days.

Just lacks the cycling brain and killer instinct that Froome has.

 

[Forever The Best]

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He really is almost on Froome's level now.

He's already far better than Froome in the TT and now pretty much as good at climbing. Plus he's mixing it up in one day races. He's the number one alien in the peloton these days.

Just lacks the cycling brain and killer instinct that Froome has.

Lol, did we watch the same Giro ending? Froome was way way stronger than Dumoulin and could have easily gained a couple more minutes on Cervinia if he wanted.

And, for being a far worse TTer, Froome lost less than 30s to Dumoulin on the Giro ITT stage 16.

 

[Saint Unix]

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He's already far better than Froome in the TT and now pretty much as good at climbing. Plus he's mixing it up in one day races. He's the number one alien in the peloton these days.

That is still and will always be Froome until the day he's beamed back up to return to his home planet.

 

[May0maniac]

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He's already far better than Froome in the TT and now pretty much as good at climbing. Plus he's mixing it up in one day races. He's the number one alien in the peloton these days.

That is still and will always be Froome until the day he's beamed back up to return to his home planet.

He gets overshadowed by Sky, but his transformation is probably the most eyebrow raising besides the Sky guys and Zakarin (but he already got busted before turning pro).

 

[ontheroad]

Very similar to Froome in that he never seems to have a bad day. His bad day constitutes losing about 15-20 seconds.

Unbelievable how these big big power TT riders can drop minute climbers on the big mountain passes. The Giro also proving to be a great preparation for the tour, who would've known.

 

[roundabout]

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Sorry roundabout, no citations needed. Because... hold your breath... these palmares can be checked online and lo and behold... they are indeed as they are told here. For example, we can actually read up how he did in the Vuelta and amazingly enough, he entered the last mountainstage as race leader. Facts... crazy aren't they? I mean, here you go acting alll amazed about this all when I actually dare to look into the past of TD.

i understand that this pointing to past results as they happened are kind of surprising, as facts are a very nasty way of discsussing

And no, I do not claim this to be in any way done clean. But that Tom's progression is quite similar to how other grandees became GT contender? Yep

He really is almost on Froome's level now.

We knew that since the Giro. Quite something to see this jet-powered dueling.

Right, so nothing to back this up. Just as I thought.

He was among the best climbers that round for most of the time... and that as a youngster

No point in discussing anything, when actual facts don't matter.

 

[Franklin]

There always have been top TT riders who dropped climbers over multiple stages (in other words due to being stronger, not just because they climbed better). This was as true in Coppi's day as it is now.

The amount of pure climbers winning a GT is much smaller than TT winners clinching a TdF.

And yeah, Anquetil won Mountain Stages, Merckx, Zoetemelk (primarily a TT rider) won climbing stages, Hinault, Fignon, Roche, Indurain, Ulrich, LA. Pure climbers generally got crushed.