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Armchair cyclist said:
Partly in the interest of trying to give Ludwigzgz some competition, and partly through the realisation of some of the talent that we all managed to miss, I introduce the "Collective Ignorance" selection, to counterbalance our "Collective Wisdom" squad. While the latter is made up of the riders chosen by most of us, this new squad, whose membership might vary, is made up of the highest scoring eligible riders that we all overlooked. And what a collective failure it was:
THEUNS Edward 1108
BENOOT Tiesj 781
ROGLIC Primoz 688
DEMOITIE Antoine 544
NAESEN Oliver 462
PARRINELLO Antonino Casimiro 425
GRADEK Kamil 416
BEVIN Patrick 414
SHALUNOV Evgeny 401
TEUNS Dylan 401
BERNAS Pawel 387
TVETCOV Serghei 386
BARBIER Rudy 381
TULIK Angelo 372
DAVIDENOK Ilya 372
TORRES AGUDELO Rodolfo Andres 363
MÜHLBERGER Gregor 359
CANOLA Marco 344
Total: 8604

Ludwigzgz still beats that team, but no-one else does, and if it had not been for his unique pick, Vuillermoz would also be in the collective ignorance squad.
Wow, I find it quite impressivee that Ludwigzgz's team is better than the "collective ignorance" team. Well done! Also, no one picked Benoot? :eek:
 
August year 2
For the first time since February, no rider got above 200 points in the month, but there are still some noteworthy performances gaining 100+. I tweaked the spreadsheet such that I can now frustrate all of us over the high scoring eligible riders, not just the ones that someone else picked.


LATOUR Pierre 198 4 teams (good results in Burgos and Tour de l'Ain)
DILLIER Silvan 170 7 teams (2nd in GC and a stage win in Arctic Race)
WOODS Michael 168 0 teams
VAKOC Petr 166 6 teams (Czech Tour win, and Poitou Charentes)
NORRIS Lachlan 161 0 teams
NAESEN Oliver 157 0 teams
BENOOT Tiesj 130 0 teams

JANS Roy 128 1 teams (Arnhem Classic, Brussels classic (because the update runs to 5th Sept))
CORT NIELSEN Magnus 128 9 teams (top 10 in Plouay and Post Danmark Rundt)
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel 123 0 teams
BRITTON Rob 123 0 teams

MOLARD Rudy 113 1 teams (Tour du Limousin, Plouay)
KONRAD Patrick 107 5 teams (Post Danmark, Tour de l'Ain)


1 ItalianGigolo 877 (Latour and Vakoc)
2 Rote_Laterne 817 (Dillier, Cort Neilsen and Konrad)
3 MC_Mountain 816 (Latour)
4 HugoKoblet 792 (Vakoc)
5 Comodoro 714 (Cort Neilsen and Konrad)
6 Karaev 666
7 Blackbandit222 640
8 Afrank 639
9 asdfgh101 628
10 NairoQ 618
11 Ingsve 611
12 Fauniera 609
13 GPBlanco 606
14 Jakob747 590
15 Cyivel 589
16 Hilltop_Finisher 574
16 Search 574
18 Just_Some_Guy 568
19 Florecita 567
20 Skidmark 562
21 Mutschi 560
22 Madrazo 559
23 Tuart 558
24 Dazed_and_Confused 557
25 Mellow_Velo 552
26 Oliveira 540
27 Ludwigzgz 533
28 Del1962 527
29 Kazistuta 526
30 Ansimi 518
30 Froome19 518
32 Ray200 517
33 Ruudz0r 507
34 The_Fool_on_the_Hill 503
35 Bellsax 489
36 Al_Pacino 470
37 Leadbelly 465
38 Vladimir 447
39 18Valve 426
40 Il_Pirata 415
41 Fus87 394
42 Josedin 387
43 Armchair_Cyclist 337
44 GeraintTooFast 309
45 Manafana 264
CollectiveWisdom 507

Standings
ALAPHILIPPE Julian 1174 35 teams
THEUNS Edward 1166 0 team
YATES Adam 1029 27 teams
BONIFAZIO Niccolo 985 4 teams
LAMPAERT Yves 966 3 teams
VUILLERMOZ Alexis 919 1 team
BENOOT Tiesj 911 0 team
FORMOLO Davide 911 18 teams
EWAN Caleb 811 44 teams
DILLIER Silvan 784 7 teams
YATES Simon 696 42 teams
ROGLIC Primoz 688 0 team
VALGREN ANDERSEN Michael 681 13 teams
JANS Roy 653 1 team
SEPULVEDA Eduardo 628 5 teams
NAESEN Oliver 619 0 team
DEMOITIE Antoine 608 0 team
BARBERO CUESTA Carlos 602 2 teams
MOLARD Rudy 599 1 team
VAKOC Petr 570 6 teams
CORT NIELSEN Magnus 541 9 teams


The toptwo were the lowest scorers in the top ten this month, but their margin is such that hey could afford for that to happen a few more times yet.

1 Ludwigzgz 9380
2 Skidmark 8932
3 HugoKoblet 8027
4 Rote_Laterne 7976
5 MC_Mountain 7936
6 Blackbandit222 7804
7 GPBlanco 7525
8 ItalianGigolo 7449
9 Ingsve 7443
10 Karaev 7442
11 Florecita 7315
12 Tuart 7290
13 Comodoro 7287
14 Leadbelly 7277
15 Kazistuta 7233
16 Ruudz0r 7216
17 Hilltop_Finisher 7200
18 Fauniera 7182
19 Jakob747 7152
20 18Valve 7039
21 Mutschi 7037
22 Madrazo 6981
23 Dazed_and_Confused 6925
24 Froome19 6908
25 asdfgh101 6863
26 NairoQ 6706
27 Afrank 6578
28 Del1962 6551
29 Cyivel 6532
30 Bellsax 6280
31 Oliveira 6269
32 Al_Pacino 6241
33 Armchair_Cyclist 6159
34 The_Fool_on_the_Hill 6143
35 Search 6062
36 Mellow_Velo 5970
37 Ray200 5953
38 Fus87 5566
39 Ansimi 5391
40 GeraintTooFast 5307
41 Il_Pirata 5124
42 Manafana 4898
43 Just_Some_Guy 4610
44 Vladimir 4400
45 Josedin 4289
CollectiveWisdom 7424
Collective Ignorance 9268
 
September and first half of October, year 2
Firstly, an apology. Early October did not pass smoothly, so I ended up thinking I would wait and do a joint September/October update, but then it turned out that there has been no downloadable update since 18 October. So you have waited until 3 November to find out the state of play on 18 October.

So what happened in the 6 weeks to this stage of being a year before the end of the game?

Points earned
Lots of points for those we did not pick, including Olivier Pardini who seems to be having his emergence at 30 years of age.
JANS Roy 261 1 team (unique pick for Vladimir, top5s in Brussels, GP d'Isbergues, Munsterland, Paris-Tours, and other decent results)
GOUGEARD Alexis 248 8 teams (A stage win in the Vuelta, and Eurometropole)
YATES Adam 232 27 teams (2nd in Montreal and in Tour of Alberta)
PRADES REVERTER Eduard 199 0
BENOOT Tiesj 175 0

DE BIE Sean 170 12 teams (win in Impanis-Van Petegem)
FEDI Andrea 156 0
MARINI Nicolas 155 0
GERTS Floris 140 0
PARDINI Olivier 139 0

VUILLERMOZ Alexis 137 1 team (Ludwigzgz' not-now-so-secret weapon: significant enough placings at Montreal, Languedoc-Rousillon and Lombardia to get these points)
STACCHIOTTI Riccardo 130 0
LAPORTE Christophe 127 0
THEUNS Edward 125 0
DOULL Owain 125 0
ARIESEN Johim 116 0

VERONA QUINTANILLA Carlos 115 5 teams (not very high placings, but Vuelta and Lombardia are races with high point yields)
CLAEYS Dimitri 112 0

LAMPAERT Yves 105 3 teams (6th in Paris-Tours, and part of the Etixx WC TTT team)
SPRENGERS Thomas 101 0
BIALOBLOCKI Marcin 101 0


Team Points won
Having the top scorer as a unique pick did not do Vladimir much good: he still came 37th this month, mainly because most of Yates' 27 teams had more successful minor scorers. Del1962, Mutschi, Ludwigzgz, and Leadbelly combine Gougeard and A Yates, De Bie and Gougeard both featured in the teams of Hugo Koblet and Madrazo, while Cyivel, Fus87, Ingsve, Kazistuta, NairoQ and Tuarts all put De Bie and Adam Yates together.

1 Del1962 1004
2 Mutschi 945
3 Ludwigzgz 925
4 HugoKoblet 811
5 ItalianGigolo 772
6 Tuart 769
7 Skidmark 762
8 NairoQ 737
9 Leadbelly 724
10 MC_Mountain 712
11 The_Fool_on_the_Hill 711
12 Fus87 707
13 Madrazo 680
14 Ingsve 678
15 Rote_Laterne 676
16 Kazistuta 649
17 Mellow_Velo 627
18 GPBlanco 614
19 Cyivel 613
20 Afrank 612
21 Froome19 603
22 Blackbandit222 568
23 Armchair_Cyclist 550
24 Dazed_and_Confused 544
24 Just_Some_Guy 544
26 Manafana 534
27 18Valve 527
28 Al_Pacino 523
29 Florecita 509
30 asdfgh101 506
31 Hilltop_Finisher 502
32 Bellsax 461
33 Ray200 452
34 Ruudz0r 425
35 Fauniera 423
36 Ansimi 415
37 Vladimir 411
38 Josedin 389
39 Search 373
40 Il_Pirata 372
41 Jakob747 349
42 Oliveira 332
43 Karaev 330
44 Comodoro 275
45 GeraintTooFast 212
CollectiveWisdom 585

Standings
Another high placing in the monthly table, another extension to Ludwigzgz' lead. The top two end the season as they started it, and it is increasingly hard to see their choices of nearly 2 years ago being surpassed. Hugo Koblet consolidates his second place, Tuart sneaks into the top ten, and Mutschi's 9 place rise is the greatest change.

1 Ludwigzgz 10305
2 Skidmark 9694
3 HugoKoblet 8838
4 Rote_Laterne 8652
5 MC_Mountain 8648
6 Blackbandit222 8372
7 ItalianGigolo 8221
8 GPBlanco 8139
9 Ingsve 8121
10 Tuart 8059
11 Leadbelly 8001
12 Mutschi 7982
13 Kazistuta 7882
14 Florecita 7824
15 Karaev 7772
16 Hilltop_Finisher 7702
17 Madrazo 7661
18 Ruudz0r 7641
19 Fauniera 7605
20 18Valve 7566
21 Comodoro 7562
22 Del1962 7555
23 Froome19 7511
24 Jakob747 7501
25 Dazed_and_Confused 7469
26 NairoQ 7443
27 asdfgh101 7369
28 Afrank 7190
29 Cyivel 7145
30 The_Fool_on_the_Hill 6854
31 Al_Pacino 6764
32 Bellsax 6741
33 Armchair_Cyclist 6709
34 Oliveira 6601
35 Mellow_Velo 6597
36 Search 6435
37 Ray200 6405
38 Fus87 6273
39 Ansimi 5806
40 GeraintTooFast 5519
41 Il_Pirata 5496
42 Manafana 5432
43 Just_Some_Guy 5154
44 Vladimir 4811
45 Josedin 4678
CollectiveWisdom 8009
CollectiveIgnorance 10219
 
End of Year 2
Not much scoring since mid-October, but there have been some gains.

KOZHATAYEV Bakhtiyar 62pts 1 team (7th overall in Tour of Hainan for Froome19)
SILVESTRE Fabio Andre Tomas 25pts 4 teams (stage points in Hainan for Comodoro, Dazed and Confused, Florecita and Oliveira)
KOLAHDOUZ HAGH Amir 12pts 2 teams (I'll be honest, I hadn't heard of the Tours of Singkarak and Fuzhou, but they still give points to Fauniera and Geraint Too Fast)
FOMINYKH Daniil 9pts 3 teams (Hainan again, for Bellsax, Cyivel and Rote Laterne)
CERNY Josef 5pts 1 team (The Fool on the Hill also gains from Hainan)

So for the end of Year 2, Froome19 moves up two places, and Comodoro up 1 (18Valve and Del1962 yielding)

1 Ludwigzgz 10305
2 Skidmark 9694
3 HugoKoblet 8838
4 Rote_Laterne 8661
5 MC_Mountain 8648
6 Blackbandit222 8372
7 ItalianGigolo 8221
8 GPBlanco 8139
9 Ingsve 8121
10 Tuart 8059
11 Leadbelly 8001
12 Mutschi 7982
13 Kazistuta 7882
14 Florecita 7849
15 Karaev 7772
16 Hilltop_Finisher 7702
17 Madrazo 7661
18 Ruudz0r 7641
19 Fauniera 7617
20 Comodoro 7587
21 Froome19 7573
22 18Valve 7566
23 Del1962 7555
24 Jakob747 7501
25 Dazed_and_Confused 7494
26 NairoQ 7443
27 asdfgh101 7369
28 Afrank 7190
29 Cyivel 7154
30 The_Fool_on_the_Hill 6859
31 Al_Pacino 6764
32 Bellsax 6750
33 Armchair_Cyclist 6709
34 Oliveira 6626
35 Mellow_Velo 6597
36 Search 6435
37 Ray200 6405
38 Fus87 6273
39 Ansimi 5806
40 GeraintTooFast 5531
41 Il_Pirata 5496
42 Manafana 5432
43 Just_Some_Guy 5154
44 Vladimir 4811
45 Josedin 4678
CollectiveWisdom 8009
Collective Ignorance 10313

Although he was a popular pick for the game that started a year later, no-one spotted Jakub Marezco two years ago, but his domination of the Tour of Taihu Lake (and a decent haul in Hainan) lifts him into the Collective ignorance team, and that helped that fluctuating group to move ahead of Ludwigzgz.

If we look at the current game points of those who are in the Collective Wisdom team (all in at least 1/3 of teams), we can see the varying level of successes of those who were most hyped 24 months ago:
YATES Adam 1261
ALAPHILIPPE Julian 1184
FORMOLO Davide 946
EWAN Caleb 811
YATES Simon 750
SENECHAL Florian 428
KUDUS GHEBREMEDHIN Merhawi 372
HENAO GOMEZ Sebastian 345
STUYVEN Jasper 318
HEPBURN Michael 304
HERKLOTZ Silvio 259
ZABEL Rick 233
HANSEN Lasse Norman 233
HOWSON DAMIEN 176
EDMONDSON Joshua 175
MOHORIC Matej 152
LUDVIGSSON Fredrik 57
ZORDAN Andrea 5

How will that inform your submissions for the 2016-18 game?
 
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Armchair cyclist said:
End of Year 2
If we look at the current game points of those who are in the Collective Wisdom team (all in at least 1/3 of teams), we can see the varying level of successes of those who were most hyped 24 months ago:
YATES Adam 1261
ALAPHILIPPE Julian 1184
FORMOLO Davide 946
EWAN Caleb 811
YATES Simon 750
SENECHAL Florian 428
KUDUS GHEBREMEDHIN Merhawi 372
HENAO GOMEZ Sebastian 345
STUYVEN Jasper 318
HEPBURN Michael 304
HERKLOTZ Silvio 259
ZABEL Rick 233
HANSEN Lasse Norman 233
HOWSON DAMIEN 176
EDMONDSON Joshua 175
MOHORIC Matej 152
LUDVIGSSON Fredrik 57
ZORDAN Andrea 5

How will that inform your submissions for the 2016-18 game?

Shouldn't this be Simon who as I remember was more popular back then?
 
Okay, time to remind myself of my team entering this final year. I've gotta get some luck to turn my way to catch Ludwigzgz...

ALAPHILIPPE Julian
EWAN Caleb
FORMOLO Davide
HANSEN Lasse Norman
HENAO MARIN Sebastian
HEPBURN Michael
HERKLOTZ Silvio
HOWSON Damien
KUDUS GHEBREMEDHIN Merhawi
LAMPAERT Yves
MOHORIC Matej
OLIVIER Daan
SENECHAL Florian
SEPULVEDA Eduardo
STUYVEN Jasper
YATES Adam
YATES Simon
ZABEL Rick

Well, only one of them has retired so far, so I guess that is a good thing. I also remember when I was picking I wasn't sure between two Danes, Valgren and Hansen; the tie breaker was 'I don't really know about either of these guys, I'll just pick the one going to the smaller team that will probably get more chances'. Oops. I guess he'll have even more chances this year.

Other than that, it's interesting to look at how many riders haven't panned out. Just goes to show how hard it is to predict these things. Here's how I think of the team:

Huge success already:

Caleb Ewan (though not until 2nd year)
Julian Alaphilippe
David Formolo
Yves Lampaert (my most rare pick)
Eduardo Sepulveda
Adam Yates
Simon Yates

So that's 7 out of 18 - not incredible, really.

Keeping their heads above water (ie. getting points but not really many, although some signs of improvement):

Sebastien Henao
Merhawi Kudus
Florian Senechal
Jasper Stuyven (he would be in the third category if not for the Vuelta win showing so much promise)

That's four more. And then another 7 in this category:

Disappointments, unless year 3 is magical

Lasse Norman Hansen
Michael Hepburn
Silvio Herklotz
Damien Howson
Matej Mohoric
Daan Oliver (will definitely remain in this category)
Rick Zabel

If you were to ask me who I thought would be most likely successes at the start of this, I would have taken Formolo, Alaphilippe and Lampaert and put them at the middle to bottom of the probability chart, and put Herklotz, Howson and Zabel up higher. All this said, if my team is in 2nd place, it just goes to show that prediction is a hard game! I was so excited when I sleuthed out that Hepburn qualified for the game, and I thought I was being clever by including him, but he's made no difference at all. On the other hand, finding someone like Lampaert, who I logically figured would get two years of lots of points at TSV and then get a pro contract when he could do bigger races in the third year, well that worked but in accelerated fashion. I definitely did not expect his Roubaix performance this year. There's no formula that 'works' for predicting, you've just gotta try to make your best guess and you'll probably be surprised in either direction by most of your choices.

edit to add copy of Ludwigzgz's team so I can remind myself of who we each have and keep track:

ALAPHILIPPE Julian
BARBERO CUESTA Carlos
BOSWELL Ian
EWAN Caleb
FORMOLO Davide

GOUGEARD Alexis
HAUGAARD JENSEN Kristian
HEPBURN Michael
HOWSON Damien
KUDUS GHEBREMEDHIN Merhawi
MOHORIC Matej
SENECHAL Florian
STUYVEN Jasper

VALGREN ANDERSEN Michael
VUILLERMOZ Alexis
YATES Adam
YATES Simon
ZABEL Rick
 
skidmark said:
Okay, time to remind myself of my team entering this final year. I've gotta get some luck to turn my way to catch Ludwigzgz...

ALAPHILIPPE Julian
EWAN Caleb
FORMOLO Davide
HANSEN Lasse Norman
HENAO MARIN Sebastian
HEPBURN Michael
HERKLOTZ Silvio
HOWSON Damien
KUDUS GHEBREMEDHIN Merhawi
LAMPAERT Yves
MOHORIC Matej
OLIVIER Daan
SENECHAL Florian
SEPULVEDA Eduardo
STUYVEN Jasper
YATES Adam
YATES Simon
ZABEL Rick

Disappointments, unless year 3 is magical

Lasse Norman Hansen
Michael Hepburn
Silvio Herklotz
Damien Howson
Matej Mohoric
Daan Oliver (will definitely remain in this category)
Rick Zabel

I do not know if you can call Herklotz a disappointment. Although last season was mediocre, he is still only 21 years old and has time to develop.
 
GP Blanco said:
skidmark said:
Okay, time to remind myself of my team entering this final year. I've gotta get some luck to turn my way to catch Ludwigzgz...

ALAPHILIPPE Julian
EWAN Caleb
FORMOLO Davide
HANSEN Lasse Norman
HENAO MARIN Sebastian
HEPBURN Michael
HERKLOTZ Silvio
HOWSON Damien
KUDUS GHEBREMEDHIN Merhawi
LAMPAERT Yves
MOHORIC Matej
OLIVIER Daan
SENECHAL Florian
SEPULVEDA Eduardo
STUYVEN Jasper
YATES Adam
YATES Simon
ZABEL Rick

Disappointments, unless year 3 is magical

Lasse Norman Hansen
Michael Hepburn
Silvio Herklotz
Damien Howson
Matej Mohoric
Daan Oliver (will definitely remain in this category)
Rick Zabel

I do not know if you can call Herklotz a disappointment. Although last season was mediocre, he is still only 21 years old and has time to develop.

Oh I don't mean as a talent (for any of these guys, save Daan Oliver), I just mean as a CQ points return. I thought Herklotz was such a talent that he was bound for the pros in year 2, and not only did he not go pro, he kind of stagnated a bit in U23. Long-term, I think he's great (he's on my CQ team this year), I just mean I expected more points from him when I picked him 2 years ago.
 
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[quote="skidmark
Keeping their heads above water (ie. getting points but not really many, although some signs of improvement):

Sebastien Henao
Merhawi Kudus
Florian Senechal
Jasper Stuyven (he would be in the third category if not for the Vuelta win showing so much promise)

That's four more. And then another 7 in this category:

Disappointments, unless year 3 is magical

Lasse Norman Hansen
Michael Hepburn
Silvio Herklotz
Damien Howson
Matej Mohoric
Daan Oliver (will definitely remain in this category)
Rick Zabel

I expect Senechal and Stuyven to show something this year, but over the 3 years they probably were not the best picks. Kudus could also show something again this year but I fear his focus on the TdF won't result in many points. Henao is talented but I'm not sure he'll get his chances at Sky.
Changing teams and going PC is probably a good move for Lasse Norman Hansen, Herklotz will have a better season than the last two years I guess and Mohoric can't get worse.

But as you are still on 2nd place shows that your picks are quite great.

And now to the first races for my riders:
Tour de San Luis (2.1)
HANSEN Jesper
MOHORIC Matej

Santos Tour Down Under (2.UWT)
EWAN Caleb

It's up to Ewan to score.
 
skidmark said:
Okay, time to remind myself of my team entering this final year. I've gotta get some luck to turn my way to catch Ludwigzgz...

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Haugaard and Olivier, they neutralize each other
Lampaert and Gougeard, I think they may be close, but no problem, point for you.
Sepulveda can make more points than Barbero. Point for you
I think Valgren is better than Hansen. Point for me
Probably Herklotz will be more profitable than Boswell this year. Point for you
But... finally you have Sebas Henao and me Vuillermoz.

You do not have any rider like Vuillermoz. So I think "Pikachu" will be decisive
 
Ludwigzgz said:
skidmark said:
Okay, time to remind myself of my team entering this final year. I've gotta get some luck to turn my way to catch Ludwigzgz...

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Haugaard and Olivier, they neutralize each other
Lampaert and Gougeard, I think they may be close, but no problem, point for you.
Sepulveda can make more points than Barbero. Point for you
I think Valgren is better than Hansen. Point for me
Probably Herklotz will be more profitable than Boswell this year. Point for you
But... finally you have Sebas Henao and me Vuillermoz.

You do not have any rider like Vuillermoz. So I think "Pikachu" will be decisive

So can you remember what drew you to Vuillermoz, the most valuable unique pick and a large part of your advantage over everyone else? Was he one of the first names on your list, or a team filler?

I have no recollection of remotely considering him; anyone remember shortlisting him, then deciding that someone else was a better bet, and care to share their reasoning?
 
I remember I considered Vuillermoz heavily in that edition, however sadly I didn't end up giving him a chance within my squad. Shame on me. Funny enough he is now one of my absolute favorite riders in the peloton and I still think he has a large amount of improvement in front of him having switched to the road relatively late in his career.

I remember clearly his first TdF with Sojasun. He was very, very strong on the Alpe Dhuez stage. He climbed with the favorites on the first time up Huez, only to crash pretty hard on the decent before the second time up... He still finished 41th on the stage, though, very respectable. Anyway, a few days later he again climbed very well and finished 20th on the stage to Semnoz.

Had I only giving him a chance.....
 
Armchair cyclist said:
So can you remember what drew you to Vuillermoz, the most valuable unique pick and a large part of your advantage over everyone else? Was he one of the first names on your list, or a team filler?

"Pikachu" was a recommendation from a friend on the spanish forum Parlamento Ciclista.
Then I looked for information about him on the web, I liked his story and sign for my team. I thought Vuillermoz could make a good record on the road.
I want to have on my team 2 or 3 runners unfamiliar that make a difference with other teams ... if the move goes well
 
Ludwigzgz said:
Armchair cyclist said:
So can you remember what drew you to Vuillermoz, the most valuable unique pick and a large part of your advantage over everyone else? Was he one of the first names on your list, or a team filler?

"Pikachu" was a recommendation from a friend on the spanish forum Parlamento Ciclista.
Then I looked for information about him on the web, I liked his story and sign for my team. I thought Vuillermoz could make a good record on the road.
I want to have on my team 2 or 3 runners unfamiliar that make a difference with other teams ... if the move goes well
You only have one unique pick on your 2016-18 squad: I'll be watching for whether he is another Alexis.

In the same spirit as Jakub's admission above, is anyone able to remember, and humble enough to confess, the thought pattern whereby we all missed the likes of Theuns, Benoot, Naesen, Roglic, Demoitie...
 
Armchair cyclist said:
Ludwigzgz said:
Armchair cyclist said:
So can you remember what drew you to Vuillermoz, the most valuable unique pick and a large part of your advantage over everyone else? Was he one of the first names on your list, or a team filler?

"Pikachu" was a recommendation from a friend on the spanish forum Parlamento Ciclista.
Then I looked for information about him on the web, I liked his story and sign for my team. I thought Vuillermoz could make a good record on the road.
I want to have on my team 2 or 3 runners unfamiliar that make a difference with other teams ... if the move goes well
You only have one unique pick on your 2016-18 squad: I'll be watching for whether he is another Alexis.

In the same spirit as Jakub's admission above, is anyone able to remember, and humble enough to confess, the thought pattern whereby we all missed the likes of Theuns, Benoot, Naesen, Roglic, Demoitie...

i think part of it is the way the game is designed, its difficult to take a cheaper rider over someone who is closer to the 200 career aggregate. Its much more of a gamble to take one when you're not trying to meet a budget (to the advantage of both games that its a different challenge) Roglic (Geraint Too Fast) and Demoite (Oliviera?) made it on to a solitary Youth game team, and maybe Theuns is the only one completely ignored.

Also to the credit of Lidwigzgz, that he got took that gamble...
 
The final circuit begins:
Year 3, month 1

Those who were beginning to emerge two years ago, or at least those who have done what was hoped of them, are becoming established contenders in many races: year three scores for many riders ought to be well over the total of years one and two: only the very best and very worst of those in the game don't have the potential to return such a score.
Scores like those for this month would have been thought significant in year 1 in any month: our riders are now at the stage when it is not much more than a warm up for the season.

Best scoring riders selected for the game this month
(Rider/points/teams)
QUINTANA ROJAS Dayer Uberney 126 12
SEPULVEDA Eduardo 112 5
EWAN Caleb 98 44
FERNANDEZ ANDUJAR Ruben 98 7
BONIFAZIO Niccolo 72 4
KOSHEVOY Ilia 53 1
REGUIGUI Youcef 30 1
BARBERO CUESTA Carlos 28 2
KUDUS GHEBREMEDHIN Merhawi 28 18
THWAITES Scott 24 1
HOWSON DAMIEN 20 30
VUILLERMOZ Alexis 18 1
VERONA QUINTANILLA Carlos 14 5
VAKOC Petr 13 6

But we missed:
WOODS Michael 146
BEVIN Patrick 85
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel 77
BENOOT Tiesj 76
OKUBAMARIAM ISSAK Tesfom 67
LANE Patrick 55
JARRIER Benoît 50
SMITH Dion 47
TORRES AGUDELO Rodolfo Andres 45
TORRES BARCELO Albert 44
GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando 41

Team points this month
1 MC_Mountain 360 (Quintana, Fernandez, Ewan and Kudus)
2 Karaev 323 (Quintana, Ewan, Kudus, Barbero)
3 Al_Pacino 312 (Quintana, Ewan, Bonfazio)
4 Hilltop_Finisher 302 (Quintana, Ewan, Koshevoy)
5 Skidmark 268
5 GPBlanco 268
7 Del1962 263
8 Manafana 258
9 Kazistuta 254
9 Afrank 254
9 Just_Some_Guy 254
12 Armchair_Cyclist 252
13 Mellow_Velo 249
13 Il_Pirata 249
15 The_Fool_on_the_Hill 248
16 Blackbandit222 244
17 Mutschi 237
17 NairoQ 237
19 Dazed_and_Confused 235
19 Ansimi 235
21 Ruudz0r 227
22 Jakob747 223
23 Josedin 215
24 Ludwigzgz 207
25 Oliveira 206
26 Fauniera 200
27 Fus87 176
28 GeraintTooFast 161
29 HugoKoblet 156
29 Leadbelly 156
31 18Valve 151
32 Rote_Laterne 146
32 Search 146
34 Comodoro 136
34 Froome19 136
36 ItalianGigolo 135
37 Cyivel 131
38 Ingsve 128
38 Tuart 128
38 Madrazo 128
41 Ray200 123
42 asdfgh101 121
43 Florecita 117
44 Bellsax 113
45 Vladimir 103
CollectiveWisdom 151

Rankings to end of January
1 Ludwigzgz 10512
2 Skidmark 9962
3 MC_Mountain 9008
4 HugoKoblet 8994
5 Rote_Laterne 8807
6 Blackbandit222 8616
7 GPBlanco 8407
8 ItalianGigolo 8356
9 Ingsve 8249
10 Mutschi 8219
11 Tuart 8187
12 Leadbelly 8157
13 Kazistuta 8136
14 Karaev 8095
15 Hilltop_Finisher 8004
16 Florecita 7966
17 Ruudz0r 7868
18 Del1962 7818
19 Fauniera 7817
20 Madrazo 7789
21 Dazed_and_Confused 7729
22 Jakob747 7724
23 Comodoro 7723
24 18Valve 7717
25 Froome19 7709
26 NairoQ 7680
27 asdfgh101 7490
28 Afrank 7444
29 Cyivel 7285
30 The_Fool_on_the_Hill 7107
31 Al_Pacino 7076
32 Armchair_Cyclist 6961
33 Bellsax 6863
34 Mellow_Velo 6846
35 Oliveira 6832
36 Search 6581
37 Ray200 6528
38 Fus87 6449
39 Ansimi 6041
40 Il_Pirata 5745
41 GeraintTooFast 5692
42 Manafana 5690
43 Just_Some_Guy 5408
44 Vladimir 4914
45 Josedin 4893
CollectiveWisdom 8160

If Skidmark continues to chip away at the lead by 60-odd every month, as he has in January, it will be very tight by the end of the year. Monthly top scorer MC Mountain moves back into the podium positions. The biggest riser of the month is Del1962, who rises 5 places despite being the only team to lack Caleb Ewan, with Sepulveda and Fernandez making up for that oversight.
 
Ludwigzgz said:
skidmark said:
Okay, time to remind myself of my team entering this final year. I've gotta get some luck to turn my way to catch Ludwigzgz...

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Haugaard and Olivier, they neutralize each other
Lampaert and Gougeard, I think they may be close, but no problem, point for you.
Sepulveda can make more points than Barbero. Point for you
I think Valgren is better than Hansen. Point for me
Probably Herklotz will be more profitable than Boswell this year. Point for you
But... finally you have Sebas Henao and me Vuillermoz.

You do not have any rider like Vuillermoz. So I think "Pikachu" will be decisive

I agree with most of that, but I'm wondering why you are comparing Lampaert and Gougeard, and Seb Henao with Vuillermoz. Lampaert's total since this game started is 1071, and Vuillermoz's is 1074 (including what he got in San Luis). So I'd think they would be directly comparable. Unless you're saying Lampaert's 2015 was a fluke or something... I have to say he surprised me, for sure, and the cobbled classics aren't as 'sure' of a bet as someone who can climb. But I'd think they would be quite comparable, at least on a points basis.

Anyway, taking those two as similar, here's how I see the rest of our differences:

You're right about Haugaard and Olivier, except there is 0% chance I'm getting anything more from Olivier, whereas you might pick up a few.

Sepulveda has made 708 points so far (plus 112 this year). Gougeard has made 703 (plus 5 this year). I feel like Sepulveda maybe has the edge this year, although Gougeard is a great attacker who can get points all season.

Seb Henao has 345 since this started, Barbero has picked up 617. That's a clear advantage for you, and I think he'll beat Henao head to head in points, even if Henao improves (as I expect him to). I'd say Barbero could make 600 this year, Henao maybe 4-500 tops.

Hansen has made 233 points this year, Valgren has made 706. Ouch. However: Hansen made pretty much the same as Valgren last year, and this year he's moving to Stolting, where he will obviously get way more chances. I think Valgren is going to bounce back (I've got him on my main CQ team), but this might not be the blowout it could seem. However, Valgren is still going to get him in aggregate for sure.

That leaves Herklotz (259 so far) and Boswell (241). Herklotz has the obvious edge in ceiling potential, I think it's just a question of how much he can do this year, and how much of his seeming stagnation last year was just a blip and how much was real. Boswell looked good last year, though, at least it's the first time I've ever noticed him in races.

Anyway, to catch up this year, here's what I think I need:

- Lampaert to keep pace in points with Vuillermoz (possible; Lampaert can be a good foil for EQS in the classics, like a Vandenbergh that can sprint. But - Pikachu is the better solid bet for points, so I need lots of things to break my way).

- Haugaard continues to be irrelevant (very possible), Olivier decides to un-retire (impossible).

- Sepulveda needs to take a step up and start placing in big races (possible; he looked very good in San Luis) to get a couple of hundred points on Gougeard (who is also improving and very good).

- Seb Henao needs to take a step up (possible) to stay within 100 or so of Barbero (who will get lots of opportunities all year round).

- Hansen has to use his opportunities on a smaller team to score big and keep pace with Valgren (possible if Tinkoff use Valgren like they did last year, but I think not likely)

- Herklotz just really has to get it going. This is the biggest x factor. If Herklotz becomes a phenom and scores 600 points while Boswell is stuck at 250, I'm back in the game.

Looking at that realistically, I'm going to need a lot of things to break my way, so I think I probably have less than a 10% chance of that happening. But it'll be fun to follow along!
 
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Thanks for the update. I hope I can hold onto my fifth place until the end of the year. Blackbandit and GPBlanco do have good teams though.

Points this week:
EWAN Caleb 30
DILLIER Silvan 94
FOMINYKH Daniil 5
HENAO GOMEZ Sebastian 4
HOWSON Damien 76

209

Baring injuries this can be a good year for Dillier. Also nice to see Howson scoring some points Down Under.

Tour of Qatar (2.HC)
MOHORIC Matej

La Méditerranéenne (2.1)
FOMINYKH Daniil

Not the guys that are known for scoring big ...

edit: SENECHAL Florian is also racing in France.
 
February Year 3(to 28th Feb)

Big results for two of our riders this month, but by now, the best of those who were emerging are beginning to hold their own among the big boys. At least, some of them are. Four of the five biggest scorers this month have matched, or at least got very close to, last year's total already (Avila has exceeded his previous game total across 2 years). Perhaps that gives hope to the teams who have riders that have not really shone yet.

VAKOC Petr 303pts 6 teams (5th in Haut Var, 2nd in La Provence, then wins in Drome and Sud Ardeche)
STUYVEN Jasper 175 36 (9thin Omloop, then that powerful KBK win)
AVILA VANEGAS Edwin Alcibiades 100 1 (Nat champ)
DILLIER Silvan 94 7 (4th in Dubai GC)
HOWSON DAMIEN 76 30 (3rd in Herald Sun Tour)
LATOUR Pierre 66 4 (7th in Bessege GC, 10th in Laigueglia)
BONIFAZIO Niccolo 58 4 (6th in Omloop, and stage points in Herald Sun Tour)
KUDUS GHEBREMEDHIN Merhawi 55 18 (9th in Oman GC)
GOUGEARD Alexis 54 7 (5th in Omloop)
YATES Adam 52 27 ( lower top ten in Drome and Sud Ardeche)
HAIG Jack 50 2 (5th in Herald Sun Tour)
Fedi (176 February points) and Calmejean (126) top the scores among those we could have chosen but didn't.



Points gained

1 HugoKoblet 714 (Vakoc, Stuven, Howson & Gougeard)
2 Cyivel 701 (Vakoc, Stuven, Howson & Yates)
3 Karaev 690 (Vakoc, Stuven, Howson & Karaev)
4 ItalianGigolo 650 (Vakoc, Stuven, Latour & Yates)
5 Del1962 593
6 asdfgh101 589
7 NairoQ 586
8 Rote_Laterne 543
9 Afrank 536
10 Ludwigzgz 508
11 Al_Pacino 500
12 Leadbelly 486
13 Skidmark 476
14 Blackbandit222 475
15 GPBlanco 470
16 Jakob747 467
17 Froome19 459
18 Fus87 436
19 18Valve 425
20 MC_Mountain 422
21 Just_Some_Guy 407
22 Fauniera 402
23 Ruudz0r 401
24 Madrazo 399
25 Kazistuta 391
26 Dazed_and_Confused 387
27 Hilltop_Finisher 385
27 Search 385
29 Ingsve 376
30 The_Fool_on_the_Hill 363
31 Comodoro 351
32 Ansimi 341
33 Mutschi 340
34 Ray200 316
35 Florecita 307
36 Mellow_Velo 302
37 Vladimir 253
38 Bellsax 251
39 GeraintTooFast 241
40 Tuart 215
41 Armchair_Cyclist 203
42 Josedin 200 (including 100 points for unique pick Avila)
43 Il_Pirata 186
44 Manafana 183
45 Oliveira 101
CollectiveWisdom 438


Standings
Mediocre performances for the top two (but they still got more than twice my score), but Hugo steps up to the podium, and Karaev has a 5 place improvement to get into the top ten.
1 Ludwigzgz 11020
2 Skidmark 10438
3 HugoKoblet 9708
4 MC_Mountain 9430
5 Rote_Laterne 9350
6 Blackbandit222 9091
7 ItalianGigolo 9006
8 GPBlanco 8877
9 Karaev 8785
10 Leadbelly 8643
11 Ingsve 8625
12 Mutschi 8559
13 Kazistuta 8527
14 Del1962 8411
15 Tuart 8402
16 Hilltop_Finisher 8389
17 Florecita 8273
18 Ruudz0r 8269
19 NairoQ 8266
20 Fauniera 8219
21 Jakob747 8191
22 Madrazo 8188
23 Froome19 8168
24 18Valve 8142
25 Dazed_and_Confused 8116
26 asdfgh101 8079
27 Comodoro 8074
28 Cyivel 7986
29 Afrank 7980
30 Al_Pacino 7576
31 The_Fool_on_the_Hill 7470
32 Armchair_Cyclist 7164
33 Mellow_Velo 7148
34 Bellsax 7114
35 Search 6966
36 Oliveira 6933
37 Fus87 6885
38 Ray200 6844
39 Ansimi 6382
40 GeraintTooFast 5933
41 Il_Pirata 5931
42 Manafana 5873
43 Just_Some_Guy 5815
44 Vladimir 5167
45 Josedin 5093
CollectiveWisdom 8598
CollectiveIgnorance 11255