Evans and his meeting with Ferrari?

[Brooks Fahey Baldwin]

sample size of 1 FTW!

Oh it gets so much worse than just the sample size.
But surely that has been explained ad nauseum?

 

[Benotti69]

Steve Tilford talked about doping in MTB in 1998.

http://stevetilford.com/2014/10/16/thor-retires-and-writes-outrangeous-book/mtbaction1-4/

http://stevetilford.com/2014/10/16/thor-retires-and-writes-outrangeous-book/mtbaction21/

 

[darwin553]

Spits coffee.

I didn't see this the first tine but wow. Less talented dopers? Evans routinely clubbed like baby seals THE MOST talented dopers. He finished 2nd in tours were guys fetching bottles were caught doping and the entire top 20 are implicated. He finished number 1 in wt and in cq in a year the world pretty much gave up on saving cycling from doping. You call that beating less talented dopers. What dopers did he not beat? Contador was the only one who regularly beat him and even him Evans beat in the 2010 mur 1on1 straight up outclimbed him, if not the 2011 tour. Every other major doper Evans beat regularly. The lesser dopers meanwhile were domestiqing for Evans and never anywhere near as good as him. In some of those gts he contended in pretty much every name is a doper and they are finishing minutes down on him.



How on earth can you try to use the idea that there may be overlap between good clean riders and poor dopers as an argument for one of the most successful riders of the epo era being clean?*

Forget the worst dopers who were the better dopers of the era? Menchov, beaten by Evans in the 2 tdfs they raced against eachother in. Valverde? - routinely beaten by Evans in tdfs. Sanchez- likewise in 2008. Leipheimer-beaten by Evans in 07. Kohl - beaten by Evans in 08. Which higher end of the doping spectrum specifically do you believed surpassed the performances of Evans, seeing as how you believe that his performances were equivalent only to those of a lower level doper.

What was so special about Menchov? He was hardly dynamite on the climbs and you couldn't say his TTs were anything but lacklustre.

In other words behave exactly as the Armstrong groupies did. that no matter how much evidence there is against a rider being clean, none of it matters as long as the authorities don't provide a smoking gun. Any evidence or argument that isn't a smoking gun that will get the rider his results stripped is considered conveniently meaningless, as it allows the fan to maintain his delusion. Doesn't matter if everyone involved in the sport is saying it was impossible to finish t10 in tdfs without major charging. Evans who finished 2nd, flew away from dopers like they were wearing bags of bricks on their backs and finished as the world number 1 has a 50% chance of having miraculously been able to do all that without so much as a cough sweet

exactly like the Armstrong fans. Only it's ok because it's not Armstrong.

Yes because without doping Cadel was nobody - he was just another rider in the peloton. It is like you doubters just cannot accept that someone like Cadel and the style of his riding can achieve what he did.

 

[dolophonic]

Perhaps its you Darwin that can not accept the reality being pointed out to you.

Walks like a duck.....

 

[darwin553]

Perhaps its you Darwin that can not accept the reality being pointed out to you.

Walks like a duck.....

You're right silly me - after all Sastre is suspect as well.

 

[sniper]

Fluhme responding to a tweet from theHog.

Uli Fluhme ‏@ulif 6h6 hours ago

Ticino, home for Contador, Evans, Rogers and others ?@maximus_hoggus: Ferrari still supplying 4 different Pro Teams pic.twitter.com/Uq1GmCVkRB?

 

[hrotha]

Why is Uli Fluhme suddenly so relevant? Doesn't seem much different from quoting any other Twitter user.

 

[blackcat]

Why is Uli Fluhme suddenly so relevant? Doesn't seem much different from quoting any other Twitter user.

forearms van petegem @forearms is much better.

 

[Franklin]

What was so special about Menchov? He was hardly dynamite on the climbs and you couldn't say his TTs were anything but lacklustre.

You know, posts like these just hurt my brain. The guy won three GT's.

That's three times as many GT's than for example ... uhm Evans. That's more GT's than guys called Ulrich, Zoetemelk, Van Impe, Kelly, Saronni, Moser, Delgado, Pantani.

Your astounding lack of insight into recent cycling history is embarrassing. With Three GT's you are in the absolute top of your generation.

 

[sniper]

Why is Uli Fluhme suddenly so relevant? Doesn't seem much different from quoting any other Twitter user.

I like how he connected the dots there (Ferrari > Ticino > Evans).
That's not in the report.

And yes, he's slightly more interesting than the average anonymous twitterer.
I might be exaggerating, but from what I can tell he's making something of a name for himself in cycling with the New York Gran Fondo.
And he seems genuinely outspoken against doping (see that thread i posted a few days back).

 

[Benotti69]

Why is Uli Fluhme suddenly so relevant? Doesn't seem much different from quoting any other Twitter user.

He appears to be a good source. He also is anti doping.

 

[blackcat]

I like how he connected the dots there (Ferrari > Ticino > Evans).
That's not in the report.

And yes, he's slightly more interesting than the average anonymous twitterer.
I might be exaggerating, but from what I can tell he's making something of a name for himself in cycling with the New York Gran Fondo.
And he seems genuinely outspoken against doping (see that thread i posted a few days back).

is Rominger talking. did he get his earn out from IMG and is he still the chief of IMG cycling? I reckoned IMG would have thought by now, like Nike did, that cycling is a fools errand to earn coin.

Rominger would have more skeletons than the Rome catacombs

 

[The Hitch]

He appears to be a good source. He also is anti doping.

Well there is a retweet button and a like button for that. I like the guy but sniper can't just come in here and create new discussions or change discussions within threads everytime the guy posts a tweet.

When you quote tweeters on here there's an expectation that there is some actual news in there. I see a old thread with new posts come in and its a bit of a dud when its just some guy decided to randomly repost a tweet related to the subject.

 

[MagnificentMerckx]

I do not think that the question of whether or not Evans took the soup will ever be adequately answered. Yes he beat some of the best and numerous EPO chargers, blood chargers, testosterone chargers, steroid chargers, cortisone charges in the worlds biggest bike races on a consistent basis, which begs a huge amount of questions. But going to Dr. Ferrari, now that more than anything has left his career in a legacy of doubt. I mean we all know that you only go to see Ferrari for one thing and one thing only. He was the best in the business, THE FATHER OF DOPING. If you wanted success, all you had to do was flash the cash and you were in business. How many more have gone to see Ferrari and denied it had anything to do with doping. There were many. I am sorry Cadel, but your meeting with Ferrari, has done your image no favors.

 

[Nick C.]

About Ferrari: back in the day I recall reading that Lance had him under an exclusive contract? Since those days you read that everyone was going to him and it appears to have been during the time Lance was winning the Tour. Did I misunderstand the "exclusivity" story re: Lance, is my timeline wrong or was Ferrari not exactly a man of his word? (real question not a backhanded Cadel defense).

 

[hrotha]

I think the story was that Armstrong was the only GT contender Ferrari could work with, and Evans didn't really become a contender until Armstrong retired and Puerto took out his rivals. I could be wrong, though.

 

[Nick C.]

Thanks: That sounds familiar.

 

[nayr497]

I'd love my doc to inject me with some cortisone and then head out for a ride, just to see how it feels. Must be nice to have that in your body, I'm sure. Definitely better than ol' brandy...

 

[blackcat]

Re:

I think the story was that Armstrong was the only GT contender Ferrari could work with, and Evans didn't really become a contender until Armstrong retired and Puerto took out his rivals. I could be wrong, though.

he worked with others for money. but he would not work with contender contenders. not ullrich, not basso, not mayo, not rumsas, not landis.

anyway, the other contenders usually went to claudio cecchini

 

[MagnificentMerckx]

Re:

I think the story was that Armstrong was the only GT contender Ferrari could work with, and Evans didn't really become a contender until Armstrong retired and Puerto took out his rivals. I could be wrong, though.

You forgot about Ullrich getting a slice of the brown envelope and the other podium guys for letting Armstrong win top prize.
It happened earlier in Armstrong's career, and even though this is just that speculation, there is nothing that would surprise me about professional cycling especially when the Texan wanted to take the bull by the horns and win at all costs.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

So Chiara and Cadel have split - nothing good about that. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3093678/End-road-cycling-champion-Cadel-wife-Long-distance-career-spells-end-couple-s-ten-year-marriage-vow-stay-friends-adopted-son.html

I did not know that they had tried to have kids for years and failed - I was under the naive impression their adoption was purely charitable.

We know exogenous testosterone affects sperm production This latest revelation seems almost an indictment?

 

[Tonton]

Re:

So Chiara and Cadel have split - nothing good about that. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3093678/End-road-cycling-champion-Cadel-wife-Long-distance-career-spells-end-couple-s-ten-year-marriage-vow-stay-friends-adopted-son.html

I did not know that they had tried to have kids for years and failed - I was under the naive impression their adoption was purely charitable.

We know exogenous testosterone affects sperm production This latest revelation seems almost an indictment?

Troubling. On a lighter note, Lance was better than Cuddles at making kids too . Anquetil and Poulidor .

 

[The Hitch]

Re:

So Chiara and Cadel have split - nothing good about that. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3093678/End-road-cycling-champion-Cadel-wife-Long-distance-career-spells-end-couple-s-ten-year-marriage-vow-stay-friends-adopted-son.html

I did not know that they had tried to have kids for years and failed - I was under the naive impression their adoption was purely charitable.

Did you maybe get that impression from the Australian press, trying to paint Evans as a great hero as part of the wider nationalist narrative riders get in their countries?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I don't read the Australian press, so that's highly unlikely.

 

[movingtarget]

Re:

So Chiara and Cadel have split - nothing good about that. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3093678/End-road-cycling-champion-Cadel-wife-Long-distance-career-spells-end-couple-s-ten-year-marriage-vow-stay-friends-adopted-son.html

I did not know that they had tried to have kids for years and failed - I was under the naive impression their adoption was purely charitable.

We know exogenous testosterone affects sperm production This latest revelation seems almost an indictment?

Maybe you can define an uncharitable adoption.