Evans and his meeting with Ferrari?

[Dear Wiggo]

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So Chiara and Cadel have split - nothing good about that. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3093678/End-road-cycling-champion-Cadel-wife-Long-distance-career-spells-end-couple-s-ten-year-marriage-vow-stay-friends-adopted-son.html

I did not know that they had tried to have kids for years and failed - I was under the naive impression their adoption was purely charitable.

We know exogenous testosterone affects sperm production This latest revelation seems almost an indictment?

Maybe you can define an uncharitable adoption.

Just so your post does not muddy the waters of what I wrote, let's consider 2 possibilities:

1. Cadel adopts but is capable of making children of his own: quite possibly the most charitable motivation to adopt - to make a better life for another human being
2. Cadel adopts, but we find out later he cannot make his own chidlren. ie the only way he is ever going to have children is through adopting.

If you cannot see how the second option now looks less purely charitable, I cannot help you.

If anyone else is confused and would like further clarification, please let me know.

 

[sniper]

Seems to me it would make sense to find a correlation between being steroid abuse and the ability to get children, but then again we see plenty of steroid-abusing athletes getting plenty of children.
Would be interesting to see birth rates among (mail) steroid abusers.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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Seems to me it would make sense to find a correlation between being steroid abuse and the ability to get children, but then again we see plenty of steroid-abusing athletes getting plenty of children.
Would be interesting to see birth rates among (mail) steroid abusers.

I posted a link to a review study showing exo test leads to reduced sperm counts - ie infertility. Is that what you meant?

 

[sniper]

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Seems to me it would make sense to find a correlation between being steroid abuse and the ability to get children, but then again we see plenty of steroid-abusing athletes getting plenty of children.
Would be interesting to see birth rates among (mail) steroid abusers.

I posted a link to a review study showing exo test leads to reduced sperm counts - ie infertility. Is that what you meant?

sorry, had missed the link.
yes, that seems irrefutable.
Yet as far as I can tell (fwiw, basically it's just a hunch), tennis players, soccer players and cyclists (most of whom I suspect have used steroids at various points in their carreers) seem to have no fertility problems at all.
Besides Evans, are there other cases?

btw, any idea how long the impact on fertility lasts? (asking in case you know from the top of your head, otherwise i'll actually have to read your link)

 

[Dear Wiggo]

The link said 12 months - but it really depends on dosage & frequency, of course, and whilst I find it interesting they could not have kids, and see a connection to test use, it's not conclusive and neither did I mean it that way. It's possible evidence, definitely not proof.

I think I read the effect can be counteracted using Hcg - which we know is used - so it seems unusual (now that I consider it further) if Cadel was using test and suffered impotency, that his advisors were not providing better advice.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I mentioned it also because the reason behind his split with Chiara seems utterly farcical.

 

[sniper]

yes, i realize you weren't making any sweeping claims.
genuinely interested (and have given it some thought before), hence i inquired. Would be interested to hear about other cases besides Cadel.

 

[blackcat]

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Seems to me it would make sense to find a correlation between being steroid abuse and the ability to get children, but then again we see plenty of steroid-abusing athletes getting plenty of children.
Would be interesting to see birth rates among (mail) steroid abusers.

Shawn KEmp still leads the league in bastards

his brothers Aaron Kemps and David Kemp have a way to go. If you want your boys to swim, and you wish for a harem of bastards, shawn kemp is your man to ask for advice.

 

[blackcat]

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I mentioned it also because the reason behind his split with Chiara seems utterly farcical.

cant be because she was a beard. heard he had a crush on some lady during his mtb days.

on this Eurovision winner, would she be a paradox with her beard, or how would this qualify?

 

[sniper]

 

[blackcat]

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I mentioned it also because the reason behind his split with Chiara seems utterly farcical.

cos of motoman?

 

[blackcat]

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The link said 12 months - but it really depends on dosage & frequency, of course, and whilst I find it interesting they could not have kids, and see a connection to test use, it's not conclusive and neither did I mean it that way. It's possible evidence, definitely not proof.

I think I read the effect can be counteracted using Hcg - which we know is used - so it seems unusual (now that I consider it further) if Cadel was using test and suffered impotency, that his advisors were not providing better advice.

Tom Cruice Nicole Kidman

fecunidity may not necessarily be a product of exogenous hormones. And ofcourse Cruise had androgens for aesthetic motivation like roids etc.

so times the boys dont swim that well, sometimes the tadpoles get trapped in a eddy, sometimes you gotta adopt. sometime sperm has dislexia and cant find the appropriate matching of the chromosomes and the egg. its quite simple.

 

[veganrob]

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Seems to me it would make sense to find a correlation between being steroid abuse and the ability to get children, but then again we see plenty of steroid-abusing athletes getting plenty of children.
Would be interesting to see birth rates among (mail) steroid abusers.

Shawn KEmp still leads the league in bastards

his brothers Aaron Kemps and David Kemp have a way to go. If you want your boys to swim, and you wish for a harem of bastards, shawn kemp is your man to ask for advice.

Antonio Cromartie is a worthy challenger to Kemp. Dozen kids from 8 different women.

 

[movingtarget]

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So Chiara and Cadel have split - nothing good about that. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3093678/End-road-cycling-champion-Cadel-wife-Long-distance-career-spells-end-couple-s-ten-year-marriage-vow-stay-friends-adopted-son.html

I did not know that they had tried to have kids for years and failed - I was under the naive impression their adoption was purely charitable.

We know exogenous testosterone affects sperm production This latest revelation seems almost an indictment?

Maybe you can define an uncharitable adoption.

Just so your post does not muddy the waters of what I wrote, let's consider 2 possibilities:

1. Cadel adopts but is capable of making children of his own: quite possibly the most charitable motivation to adopt - to make a better life for another human being
2. Cadel adopts, but we find out later he cannot make his own chidlren. ie the only way he is ever going to have children is through adopting.

If you cannot see how the second option now looks less purely charitable, I cannot help you.

If anyone else is confused and would like further clarification, please let me know.

Adoption of any kind is a charitable act no matter the circumstances. Purely charitable whatever that means does not exist as all parties benefit in adoptions. Of course some adoptions don't turn out so good but that is another debate. They could have adopted from anywhere but chose Africa. The assumption is that the fertility problems were Evans when the problem could have been his wife's. What all of this has to do with Evans and Ferrari and was even mentioned on this thread, I have no idea unless Ferrari was also Evans GP.

 

[TheGreenMonkey]

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So Chiara and Cadel have split - nothing good about that. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3093678/End-road-cycling-champion-Cadel-wife-Long-distance-career-spells-end-couple-s-ten-year-marriage-vow-stay-friends-adopted-son.html

I did not know that they had tried to have kids for years and failed - I was under the naive impression their adoption was purely charitable.

We know exogenous testosterone affects sperm production This latest revelation seems almost an indictment?

Maybe you can define an uncharitable adoption.

Just so your post does not muddy the waters of what I wrote, let's consider 2 possibilities:

1. Cadel adopts but is capable of making children of his own: quite possibly the most charitable motivation to adopt - to make a better life for another human being
2. Cadel adopts, but we find out later he cannot make his own chidlren. ie the only way he is ever going to have children is through adopting.

If you cannot see how the second option now looks less purely charitable, I cannot help you.

If anyone else is confused and would like further clarification, please let me know.

Adoption of any kind is a charitable act no matter the circumstances. Purely charitable whatever that means does not exist as all parties benefit in adoptions. Of course some adoptions don't turn out so good but that is another debate. They could have adopted from anywhere but chose Africa. The assumption is that the fertility problems were Evans when the problem could have been his wife's. What all of this has to do with Evans and Ferrari and was even mentioned on this thread, I have no idea unless Ferrari was also Evans GP.

Agreed, nowhere does it say Evans can't have children, it says they struggled to have children.

Not sure how it has anything to do with doping either or why it even needs to be mentioned on the forum.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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Agreed, nowhere does it say Evans can't have children, it says they struggled to have children.

Not sure how it has anything to do with doping either or why it even needs to be mentioned on the forum.

So someone shows you testosterone use suppresses sperm production, along with an article where a successful cyclist struggles to have children and you cannot put 2 + 2 together?

Jan Ullrich cannot help you.

 

[sniper]

but DW,
Cadel is not the only cyclist high on test.
If he's the only cyclist who can't get children whilst all those other test abusers are building large families, it rather suggests that there's no (significant) correlation between test abuse and an athlete's (in)fertility, would you not agree?
Hence I asked, do we know of other cases besides Cadel (be it from cycling or other sports where test plays a role)?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

It's speculative. I am pretty sure cyclists or even people in general, are not likely to advertise their inability to conceive.

 

[sniper]

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It's speculative. I am pretty sure cyclists or even people in general, are not likely to advertise their inability to conceive.

true story.
it's an intresting issue. I've often wondered about this, especially wrt soccer players who seem fertile as hell, in spite of rampant doping.

 

[blackcat]

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Antonio Cromartie is a worthy challenger to Kemp. Dozen kids from 8 different women.

hashtag fecundity

respect

 

[blackcat]

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It's speculative. I am pretty sure cyclists or even people in general, are not likely to advertise their inability to conceive.

true story.
it's an intresting issue. I've often wondered about this, especially wrt soccer players who seem fertile as hell, in spite of rampant doping.

yeah, its some dyslexic meta strategy, the heard the euphemism or idiom, spread your seed far and wide, and thought this would help the pitch grow and their twinkletoes efforts on the pitch.

 

[blackcat]

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It's speculative. I am pretty sure cyclists or even people in general, are not likely to advertise their inability to conceive.

unilateral orchiectomy, bilateral orchiectomy, lancing ones nuts, nothing to do with whales or orcas

 

[blackcat]

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Agreed, nowhere does it say Evans can't have children, it says they struggled to have children.

Not sure how it has anything to do with doping either or why it even needs to be mentioned on the forum.

So someone shows you testosterone use suppresses sperm production, along with an article where a successful cyclist struggles to have children and you cannot put 2 + 2 together?

Jan Ullrich cannot help you.

but surely tobias stennhauser's sister can

 

[TheGreenMonkey]

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Agreed, nowhere does it say Evans can't have children, it says they struggled to have children.

Not sure how it has anything to do with doping either or why it even needs to be mentioned on the forum.

So someone shows you testosterone use suppresses sperm production, along with an article where a successful cyclist struggles to have children and you cannot put 2 + 2 together?

Jan Ullrich cannot help you.

It is an extremely tenuous link that has very little foundation.

 

[goggalor]

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