Evans wins worlds...what was he on?

[franciep10]

This is what i said. READ WHAT I SAID:


I'd like to hope it's true but i never said he actually was/is clean. I also made the point as well that i don't like people who start threads because a rider won a race and their now a doper. It's unfair

Let me reiterate what I said "The funny thing is on the EBH thread I said that we cant call a rider a doper because they won, all you said was about boonen saying cadel is the only clean gc rider" Which means the only time you joined the conversation was to talk about cadel. Now to make my point All the other top riders AC, Valv, Shlecks, LA and many others are constantly scrutinized, when Ac won paris-nice TT people on this forum were relentless in attacking him, because he put in a suspicious performance. Cadel is not beyond scrutiny, just because you're a big fan of his.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Man...when Cadel attacked he was going flat out like a lizard drinkin!!! What a pearler!!

What does "pearler" mean?

Ausycyclefan does not like Italians either!! Homer!!

My best friend is Italian.

 

[Cobber]

I can accept that. Do you think he's clean? Unfortunately you can never be too sure.

I do think he is clean. I remember seeing him ride up mount Wellington (in Hobart) during the '98 and '99 tour of Tasmania, and he was an amazing climber then. I think his improvement over the past 10ish years has been consistent, without a major increase after switching teams that seems "unbelievable". Maybe he uses some recovery drugs, but without a positive that is impossible to prove and he gets the benefit of the doubt in my eyes. However, as I said above, I would love to see some blood numbers for Evans (I am sure he must've been tested at least a few times over the past few years) and would also like to see his power data. Both of these types of evidence can point to doping (or lack of it), and I am sure the data is out there somewhere.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Let me reiterate what I said "The funny thing is on the EBH thread I said that we cant call a rider a doper because they won, all you said was about boonen saying cadel is the only clean gc rider" Which means the only time you joined the conversation was to talk about cadel. Now to make my point cadel is perennial top 10 rider, and you're calling all the other riders dopers, then if cadel can keep up and sometimes beat them what does that say about him.

I was replying to a comment by someone else who said that Kirsipuu said that Hushovd was clean. I was making a comparison. because another rider says that doesn't make it true. Cadel and boonen was an example.

 

[franciep10]

I was replying to a comment by someone else who said that Kirsipuu said that Hushovd was clean. I was making a comparison. because another rider says that doesn't make it true. Cadel and boonen was an example.

Now I understand, you should write with more clarity because I thought you were doing the opposite of what you're saying now. By the way can we stop with the racism thing now. I don't really like italians, because my first fiancee ran off with an italian tour guide two day's before our wedding, so I hold a grudge, doesn't make me a racist though.

 

[TRDean]

What does "pearler" mean?


My best friend is Italian.

I have no idea what a pearler is? I just know I heard the late Steve Irwin say it about some reptiles...I think it means beautiful.

 

[Izoard]

What CE was not on

I know what Evans was not on ...

Silence Lotto and listening to the SL DS!

See kids, see what is possible when your not on the Silence Lotto

 

[Dr. Maserati]

When one brings in nationality it is always difficult to be objective - we know more about the athletes involved and their personalities, so they get treated as human beings and not just athletes.

Spain has a horrendous doping problem - however I don't believe the situation is much better in many of the other traditional cycling counties like Italy or Belgium.

Certainly France and recently Germany have gone to great lengths to discourage doping practices - but how would most countries fair if they were subject to a Police lead investigation like Puerto or Festina?

Alas doping in sport is not confined to nationality - and in particular in elite Cycling, as there is still a large number of the old guard who maintain the doping infrastructure.

 

[Skip Madness]

By the way can we stop with the racism thing now. I don't really like italians, because my first fiancee ran off with an italian tour guide two day's before our wedding, so I hold a grudge, doesn't make me a racist though.

You're right - it makes you a xenophobe.

 

[Mellow Velo]

I have no idea what a pearler is? ...I think it means beautiful.

"Pearler is a word that in Australian slang can be taken to mean good, or great."
As in "great laugh", or "good likeness"!
(no offence intended, only fun)

 

[franciep10]

You're right - it makes you a xenophobe.

A xenophobe, are you an idiot I'm american, living in Jamaica and visiting spain every other week, I travel round the clock to china, japan, africa, India, south america. I spend the least amount of time in the US. How does that make me a xenophobe. I had one bad experience with an italian and I'm grumpy about it. So before you make a dumb generalization know the person you're making a generalization about, you jackass.

 

[pedaling squares]

It was a post filled with stereotypes...see, it was a yank, not a serious post. Man, when you have to start explaining the comedy...

If Craig the Aussie didn't know that your post was sarcastic I am REALLY worried for those poor wallabies!

 

[bianchigirl]

I find it difficult to believe that a rider who went from Saeco to Mapei to Telekom can be 'clean'

 

[pmcg76]

I find it difficult to believe that a rider who went from Saeco to Mapei to Telekom can be 'clean'

By that reckoning, wouldnt it be more difficult to believe that Christophe Bassons was not doping at Festina

 

[BikeCentric]

By that reckoning, wouldnt it be more difficult to believe that Christophe Bassons was not doping at Festina

Because Bassons was forced into retirement because of his outspoken anti-doping sentiment in a newspaper column?

 

[pmcg76]

Because Bassons was forced into retirement because of his outspoken anti-doping sentiment in a newspaper column?

That was after Festina, Bassons didnt speak out whilst at Festina, it was Willy Voet who outed him as a clean rider. Still doesnt justify the notion that if a rider was on a certain team-s, he was automatically doping. Was Jerome Pineau doping this year just because he was at Quick Step??

 

[LongSprint]

Brains

Now I understand, you should write with more clarity because I thought you were doing the opposite of what you're saying now. By the way can we stop with the racism thing now. I don't really like italians, because my first fiancee ran off with an italian tour guide two day's before our wedding, so I hold a grudge, doesn't make me a racist though.

Not liking Italians because your fiancee ran off with one sounds racist to me. Do you also hold a grudge against fiancees, or women in general, after all she ran off with him?

But back to the topic, the idea that because a pro cyclist wins he must be doping implies that the physically most superior cyclist in a race always wins. Of course this isn't true - there's much more to winning a road race than physical ability and that is one of the reasons I follow and participate in the sport. It takes a combination of great fitness and more than an ounce of brains to be in the right position at the right time without having expended too much energy to get there.

I would like to think that there are pro cyclists who succeed without doping and that Evans is one of them. However if it does turn out that he's doped he's going to look really stupid and hypocritical for having previously spoken out against it.

 

[Skip Madness]

A xenophobe, are you an idiot I'm american, living in Jamaica and visiting spain every other week, I travel round the clock to china, japan, africa, India, south america. I spend the least amount of time in the US. How does that make me a xenophobe. I had one bad experience with an italian and I'm grumpy about it.

No, you had one bad experience with an Italian and now you "don't really like Italians". That's xenophobic. Like all forms of prejudice, it has more than one form. It's like when racists say, "How can anyone call me racist, some of my best friends are black."

So before you make a dumb generalization know the person you're making a generalization about, you jackass.

I haven't made any generalisations. Making a generalisation would be like saying that all Americans are xenophobes because you are. Which is what you're doing about Italians.

 

[pedaling squares]

Now I understand, you should write with more clarity because I thought you were doing the opposite of what you're saying now. By the way can we stop with the racism thing now. I don't really like italians, because my first fiancee ran off with an italian tour guide two day's before our wedding, so I hold a grudge, doesn't make me a racist though.

You really should like Italians. It sounds to me like one of them did you a great favour.

 

[Escarabajo]

I find it difficult to believe that a rider who went from Saeco to Mapei to Telekom can be 'clean'

But it can happen, otherwise we would find some kind of relation with doping with 100% of the peloton, and I don't think that is the case.

 

[auscyclefan94]

No, you had one bad experience with an Italian and now you "don't really like Italians". That's xenophobic. Like all forms of prejudice, it has more than one form. It's like when racists say, "How can anyone call me racist, some of my best friends are black."

I haven't made any generalisations. Making a generalisation would be like saying that all Americans are xenophobes because you are. Which is what you're doing about Italians.

I was called racist for calling italians w*#@ which is not looked upon racist in most communities of Oz. I never said i disliked italians and i get hounded. Franciep10 says he dislikes Italians which is worse than my comment as he is insulting them is far worse than what i said.

 

[franciep10]

No, you had one bad experience with an Italian and now you "don't really like Italians". That's xenophobic. Like all forms of prejudice, it has more than one form. It's like when racists say, "How can anyone call me racist, some of my best friends are black."

I haven't made any generalisations. Making a generalisation would be like saying that all Americans are xenophobes because you are. Which is what you're doing about Italians.

xenophobes are people that are afraid of foreigners, that is clearly not me.

I was called racist for calling italians w*#@ which is not looked upon racist in most communities of Oz. I never said i disliked italians and i get hounded. Franciep10 says he dislikes Italians which is worse than my comment as he is insulting them is far worse than what i said.

Again I have been to Italy many times I have met and become friends and have had good experiences with italians, but bad experiences tend to stick with you longer than good experiences.

You really should like Italians. It sounds to me like one of them did you a great favour.

I guess he did do me a great favour, But 3 years ago I was taking my wife on her first trip to italy, and she wanted to see the Roman ruins, and I saw the same tour guide, turned out to be a pretty nice guy

 

[franciep10]

Anyway to get back on topic, it was a great ride by cadel maybe he should focus on one day races.

 

[rgmerk]

So no "shrimps on the barbie" or "now thats a knife?" I am crushed...

1) We call them prawns. Personally, I rarely cook them on a barbeque. BBQ's are for red meat. Incidentally, most BBQ's in Australia have traditionally been open grills, rather than the hooded jobbies that are common in the USA. The hooded ones are becoming much more common though (good thing too, they cook meat quicker and better, and let you roast stuff as well as grilling).

2) It's illegal to carry a knife for self-defence in most of Australia.

 

[PACONi]

Most of what has passed as discussion in this thread is nothing but speculation.

I don't think that him winning the WC makes him suspicious, but his consistent results in GT's does make the cynic in me wonder.