Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

[Nirvana]

For Lemond I think you rate the comeback primarily.

I don't think winning the Tour due to aero bars is a big plus.

The 1989 Tour is overrated as f**k only because of the final stage overhyped drama that basically was only Fignon showing how dumb he was deciding to ride the final ITT on a road bike after he had already lost the Giro five years earlier for the same mistake, five years he had to learn from it! Personally i'd put it as the least impressive of Lemond's three, i mean 1986 was one of the best Tours ever, an epic battle that will always be shown in the history books and also 1990 IMHO was better with the fight to claw back the time that was gifted to Chiappucci that apexed in the masterpiece ambush on the Massif en road to Sanit Etienne.

 

[zlev11]

i don't think Roglic is a particularly bad bike handler at all but I do think that he isn't so great at positioning within the peloton. I notice that he tends to lose the wheel of his teammates quite often in the last 15km or so of a flat finish. a lot of times it's while he's following WVA, so possibly he is partly to blame as well. I think this played into his TDF crash a lot more than his bike handling did, Wout had him right at the front in a perfect position a few km before. it did seem like he was a lot more attentive at the Vuelta when it got crazy, for instance he was directly ahead of the big pileup on the Albacete stage.

i think his crash on stage 10 of the Vuelta was due his inexperience with disc brakes or possibly due to disc brakes having no place on road bikes in the first place but that's a discussion for another day.

 

[Red Rick]

i don't think Roglic is a particularly bad bike handler at all but I do think that he isn't so great at positioning within the peloton. I notice that he tends to lose the wheel of his teammates quite often in the last 15km or so of a flat finish. a lot of times it's while he's following WVA, so possibly he is partly to blame as well. I think this played into his TDF crash a lot more than his bike handling did, Wout had him right at the front in a perfect position a few km before. it did seem like he was a lot more attentive at the Vuelta when it got crazy, for instance he was directly ahead of the big pileup on the Albacete stage.

i think his crash on stage 10 of the Vuelta was due his inexperience with disc brakes or possibly due to disc brakes having no place on road bikes in the first place but that's a discussion for another day.

The bad thing IMO is that other riders probably know they can push Roglic and get his position quite easily.

 

[Rackham]

i think his crash on stage 10 of the Vuelta was due his inexperience with disc brakes or possibly due to disc brakes having no place on road bikes in the first place but that's a discussion for another day.

There was an interview earlier this year in which Roglic said the disc brakes were actually better in the rain, so I don't think he's got any issues with them per se (in fact his Lagos de Covadonga rainy stage win showed he looked quite comfortable).

As for stage 10, Kenny Elissonde said the descent (in which Roglic fell) was like riding on "soap or ice": La Vuelta 2021 - 10e étape : Kenny Elissonde : "On avait l'impression de rouler sur du savon ou de la glace" - Vidéo Cyclisme - Eurosport

So the execution of the attack was perfect... but the road conditions were worse than expected.

 

[CyclistAbi]

It's like being a Michael Schumacher or Lewis Hamilton fan.

Well i honestly tried to keep a relationship with F1 after Michael. But it just didn't pan out. Michael was special too.

 

[CyclistAbi]

You're still closer to a Tour win than someone who would crash out every time he participates though.

It depends. As if that someone is Roglič. Tough luck.

 

[CyclistAbi]

I notice that he tends to lose the wheel of his teammates quite often in the last 15km or so of a flat finish. a lot of times it's while he's following WVA, so possibly he is partly to blame as well.

Still often van Aert has other things on his mind in such situations. All in all lets see how sticky will Dennis wheel be.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Roglič in Pogačar v družbi nepremagljivih

Zmagovalci vseh letošnjih tritedenskih kolesarskih dirk imajo nekaj skupnega − prav vsi so neporaženi na dirkah, kjer so slavili. Egan Bernal je dobil svoj prvi Giro, Tadej Pogačar drugi Tour, Primož Roglič pa tretjo Vuelto.

www.rtvslo.si

By now i feel that both Roglič and Pogačar are aware of the fact, that if they want to beat Contador and Froome, well then they need each other. Hence when one is a bit down i am sure that the other sends him a text:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn-enjcgV1o

 

[MTV]

Roglič in Pogačar v družbi nepremagljivih

Zmagovalci vseh letošnjih tritedenskih kolesarskih dirk imajo nekaj skupnega − prav vsi so neporaženi na dirkah, kjer so slavili. Egan Bernal je dobil svoj prvi Giro, Tadej Pogačar drugi Tour, Primož Roglič pa tretjo Vuelto.

www.rtvslo.si

By now i feel that both Roglič and Pogačar are aware of the fact, that if they want to beat Contador and Froome, well then they need each other. Hence when one is a bit down i am sure that the other sends him a text:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn-enjcgV1o

No, here you are wrong. Pogačar doesn't care. He wants to stomp - especially Roglič.

 

[CyclistAbi]

If he wants, then he cares.

 

[bNator]

No, here you are wrong. Pogačar doesn't care. He wants to stomp - especially Roglič.

That’s the sentiment I’m getting from him. He’s happy as long as he beats Roglič. Or maybe he just finds that extra gear when it’s time to stomp Roglič(specifically). That’s why I find it really hard to root for him for the time being…

 

[johnymax]

That’s the sentiment I’m getting from him. He’s happy as long as he beats Roglič. Or maybe he just finds that extra gear when it’s time to stomp Roglič(specifically). That’s why I find it really hard to root for him for the time being…

I don't think that's the case. I think Pogačar just wants to be the best. It just happened that to be the best he had to beat the strongest rider and that rider was Roglič. He had a little extra motivation against him probably because they come from the same country. He saw how people looked at Rogla in the Tour of Slovenia when Pogi was still on a continental team and even if I'm not sure he said so publicly, I think Pogi always had Primož as a reference point in his early career. But I wouldn't go as far as saying he is happy as long as he beats Roglič.

What I do think though, is that there is a misconception among the majority of cycling fans and cycling media. They see Roglič as the ruthless one, the one who wants to win no matter what, the one who doesn't give gifts to his rivals and so on... All that because of that one time when he beat Mader in the last 100m in Paris-Nice. Now everytime he does something similar, be it when he passes Cort on a short steep climb in the finale, overtakes Mas in a ITT when he is fighting for a stage win or when he drops Bernal on Lagos de Covadonga, when he didn't even attack and didn't even want to drop him, but was just riding tempo... then when you add Kirby screaming how Roglič loves to impose himself and stamp his authority on the race,...then people really start to believe he is the one who really wants to win at any costs.

But I think it's the other way around. Roglič doesn't have the killer mentality, Pogačar has it. He is the true new "Cannibal", he wants to turn every small opportunity he gets into a win. Not only that. He wants to almost humiliate his opponents at times. Look at his attacks on Le Grand Bornand, on Prati di Tivo, on Castelfidardo stage, look at his sprints when he is fighting for a stage win. He beats people on paper much faster than him. And I think we'll see more of this in the future from him.

Maybe I'm wrong but that's the feeling I get from watching those two.

 

[Red Rick]

2 Slovenian guys both like to win I don't think there's too much armchair psychology necessary beyond that.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Looks like Pogačar and Tratnik for WC ITT.

 

[Rackham]

Looks like Pogačar and Tratnik for WC ITT.

Yes, the news is starting to trickle down (i.e. as hinted at a few weeks ago, no WC TT for Roglic).

No news about the WC road race either (as of now), but I think the main focus for this end of season is Lombardia.

 

[RedheadDane]

No, here you are wrong. Pogačar doesn't care. He wants to stomp - especially Roglič.

Then he completely misunderstood the concept of Roglstomping...

 

[CyclistAbi]

To be honest when i read we now have 3 coaches and none of them considers to be a real one, looking at the profiles and reading on how Pogačar will just do them all ...

I somehow just wished, after reading all that, that hopefully in best case scenario we might get one medal out of it, highly likely not gold. EC was rather bad and lets see how the WC will pan out. In general i feel that the current situation is rather bad and as such not all that great results will follow.

A whole lot of work left to do over the winter. Slovenia now has a team that if they don't bring a medal or two back home that is and should be considered as a disappointment. In addition we have two super stars and a couple of other cyclist that should get opportunities and should bring medals home.

With some amateurish approach this won't ever work. Get your shirt together.

 

[Red Rick]

To be honest when i read we now have 3 coaches and none of them considers to be a real one, looking at the profiles and reading on how Pogačar will just do them all ...

I somehow just wished, after reading all that, that hopefully in best case scenario we might get one medal out of it, highly likely not gold. EC was rather bad and lets see how the WC will pan out. In general i feel that the current situation is rather bad and as such not all that great results will follow.

A whole lot of work left to do over the winter. Slovenia now has a team that if they don't bring a medal or two back home that is and should be considered as a disappointment. In addition we have two super stars and a couple of other cyclist that should get opportunities and should bring medals home.

With some amateurish approach this won't ever work. Get your shirt together.

Honestly don't think a medal for Slovenia is likely this WC at least for the mens elite. But it's really important to have a good back room there.

It doesn't seem to me that Roglic and Pogacar really have issues with riding together, so it's weird to have big coaching problems all the same.

 

[cen]

WC TT title would interfere with the gold on his bike, smart decision. Better to grab the road title so he has both areas covered.

 

[cen]

Honestly don't think a medal for Slovenia is likely this WC at least for the mens elite. But it's really important to have a good back room there.

It doesn't seem to me that Roglic and Pogacar really have issues with riding together, so it's weird to have big coaching problems all the same.

There seems to be some kind of a power grab at the top of Slovenian Cycling Federation so behind the scenes it is all about the money and politics. The least interference that has with the riders the better, hopefully.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Honestly don't think a medal for Slovenia is likely this WC at least for the mens elite. But it's really important to have a good back room there.

It doesn't seem to me that Roglic and Pogacar really have issues with riding together, so it's weird to have big coaching problems all the same.

If you manage two super stars then sooner rather than latter your ass will be on the line. You will need to cope with the pressure and different interests that comes with it. Stick by your decision and to take responsibility after. In addition obviously you need to be good at your job to get good results. You need to know what you are doing and be good at it.

As for having a realistic chance for the medal or not. IMHO you don't get to think like that if you are a coach of team Slovenia in this times. Medal or you failed. That is the reality.

 

[Rackham]

Honestly don't think a medal for Slovenia is likely this WC at least for the mens elite. But it's really important to have a good back room there.

It doesn't seem to me that Roglic and Pogacar really have issues with riding together, so it's weird to have big coaching problems all the same.

I thought an added "cool factor" to the gold medal won by Primoz Roglic in the Olympics was the fact the Slovenian national team coach was Andrej Hauptmann, i.e. UAE sports director.

And yes we know was also history between them which predated the whole "Pogacar versus Roglic" rivalry, but it's still pretty epic to have one of Pogacar's sports directors from his team be the guy in the car when Roglic got the gold medal.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Hauptman is a good example as for sure there were pressures. Pogačar could end up riding the Olympic ITT. If some amateur would be in control. I doubt we would be bringing gold medal back home. As Pogačar was drained by the time ITT was on the schedule and it would show. All in all Hauptman knew what he was doing took the responsibility and the results came.

Two medals on Olympics.

 

[Red Rick]

Medal or you failed. That is the reality.

No you have 3 guys, if they all want to ride, they need to get there in good shape, and if they ride a tactically good race together, then it's a good job, even if they just miss out.

In hindsight maybe sacrificing Pogacar in 2020 looks questionable, but I think they said he didn't have the legs to contest the win?

 

[Rackham]

I think Pogacar also sort of would have been happy to see Roglic win last year's road race (considering it was 1 week after 'the' Tour aka La Planche). So his attack was done to make the others work & favor Rog.

But no one was beating Alaphilippe that day IMO.