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[bNator]

But then comes the question: we can speculate as much as we want: what does Roglic want?

I personally think this whole tour is a blow for him. The tour was his one an only goal in cycling still to be reached.

He is now not only pushed to the second Gc spot at jumbo, but will also be after Wout within the team hierarchy,

The wholy dynamic will be different I highly doubt Primoz will be at a GT with Jonas ever again.

Of course it was a blow and he is indeed their third rider in pecking order right now. I would still expect he gets the freedom to choose Giro over Tour if he believes he is incapable of defeating Vinge/Pogi.

I also expect that if he turns out in better form than Vinge on TDF he will get his chance to win the race. In 2018, he was not their TDF leader (Kruijswijk was) but was protected rider and he got enough of support to beat Kruijswijk in the end. They even saved him from certain GC doom in crosswinds stage...

So everything is not as bad for us (or as good for you) as it seems. A lot still depends on your current from and if you have the legs, things are a lot more simple.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Something else to consider is we could normally expect Roglic to feature in the Jumbo Visma TdF party in Paris on Sunday, or some other 'gesture' where his team pays some sort of tribute to Roglic for his contribution. He was integral to their TdF victory after all (& deserves some good vibes from the win after the 2020 disappointment which affected him first & foremost).

We might find out more about the upcoming plans (like his condition as well) at that point.

Somehow i doubt it.

 

[Forever The Best]

Planche de Belles Filles and hell even AdH with heavy injureis were decent rides, I don't buy into the idea that he's washed.

Maybe he does do the Giro next year. I don't mind. I find that a lot less sad than chasing ghosts in July for the remaining years of his prime.

He very likely will never win Tour, but he is definitely not washed. Won Paris-Nice and Dauphine this year and finished 3rd on Planche des Belles Filles with injuries. Would be the favourite at Giro next year for instance in my opinion.

 

[Cassirer]

On german Eurosport broadcast they just said he might have two broken vertebrae and miss vuelta. Helping crack pogacar with relentless attacking while having a broken back sure seems a very roglician thing to do.

 

[johnymax]

But then comes the question: we can speculate as much as we want: what does Roglic want?

I personally think this whole tour is a blow for him. The tour was his one an only goal in cycling still to be reached.

He is now not only pushed to the second Gc spot at jumbo, but will also be after Wout within the team hierarchy,

The wholy dynamic will be different I highly doubt Primoz will be at a GT with Jonas ever again.

You keep saying this, but that's not the truth. Of course winning the Tour is the logical apex for a GC rider, but he has said many times, he is not obsessed with the Tour. It's not his one and only goal. That's why he's been competing and winning in almost every race ha's been taking part of. And he can have many other goals still. The Giro for example can be another big goal. Winning more Vueltas, becoming World Champion, winning Lombardia, FW, other one week stage races and yes, winning the Tour can still remain one of the goals, why not...eh

 

[Red Rick]

2 consecutive editions of Brokeback mountain on Alpe d'Huez

 

[CyclistAbi]

If he indeed has two broken vertebrae i hope that people calling him out for abandoning the race admit they were wrong and apologize for it.

 

[Red Rick]

If he indeed has two broken vertebrae i hope that people calling him out for abandoning the race admit they were wrong and apologize for it.

It's a week ago they'll just pretend it never happened.

 

[CyclistAbi]

It's a week ago they'll just pretend it never happened.

Well. They will still look kinda stupid. From all the prominent voices of cycling to some of our own heroes here on the forum.

Anyway. Looks like no Vuleta then this year. Hopefully at least worlds and some races in autumn. But health should come first. Hence take your time Rogla.

 

[Oldermanish]

It's a week ago they'll just pretend it never happened.

They'll recall his "selfishness" and his poor bike handling. "If he was a good rider he could have bunny-hopped that hay bale."

 

[Red Rick]

They'll recall his "selfishness" and his poor bike handling. "If he was a good rider he could have bunny-hopped that hay bale."

If he'd stayed for one more day he could've helped Kruijswijk pop his shoulder back

 

[Oldermanish]

Well. They will still look kinda stupid. From all the prominent voices of cycling to some of our own heroes here on the forum.

Anyway. Looks like no Vuleta then this year. Hopefully at least worlds and some races in autumn. But health should come first. Hence take your time Rogla.

I hate to keep offering pretty much unqualified medical commentary but he may have some cracked vertebrae that can heal. The question is can he heal and maintain fitness? Very unlikely but he did finish a few hard stages with the condition. That would suggest no real structural alignment or serious nerve issues. Thinking good thoughts.

 

[CyclistAbi]

I hate to keep offering pretty much unqualified medical commentary but he may have some cracked vertebrae that can heal. The question is can he heal and maintain fitness? Very unlikely but he did finish a few hard stages with the condition. That would suggest no real structural alignment or serious nerve issues. Thinking good thoughts.

The thing is he was getting worse and not better. It will heal but they likely kept him in the race for too long.

 

[CyclistAbi]

In the end i guess it was the Rogličes back upon what they have build this Tour edition victory on. He was the backbone of the team.

Chapeau.

 

[CyclistAbi]

And on a personal note that back was stabbed. But OK. He will hold them up for their end of the bargain. On races to come.

 

[staubsauger]

There's a reason I kept quiet about his retirement, because his medical condition simply wasn't fully known.

I'm quite sure actually if Kruijswijk had crashed on Saturday, that Roglic would have stayed in the Tour de France even with his injuries.

 

[Rackham]

There's a reason I kept quiet about his retirement, because his medical condition simply wasn't fully known.

I'm quite sure actually if Kruijswijk had crashed on Saturday, that Roglic would have stayed in the Tour de France even with his injuries.

Yeah, I don't think it takes a medical professional to say riding the TdF with such injuries isn't a good idea.

It's not unique to Jumbo Visma either, i.e. David Gaudu fractured a vertebrae early in Paris-Nice. He continued because initial scans revealed nothing but the pain got worse & he had a DNF just before the final stage. It's only later after more in-depth scans they discovered a fracture & he was out for 3 weeks.

This sort of stuff raises questions about cyclists riding through pain as part of the primary 'appeal' cycling is supposed to offer (i.e. suffering, basically). After a crash, there needs to be complete 100% assurances the rider doesn't have something seriously wrong with him (like when Bardet finished a TdF stage a couple of years ago with a concussion).

 

[staubsauger]

Yeah, I don't think it takes a medical professional to say riding the TdF with such injuries isn't a good idea.

It's not unique to Jumbo Visma either, i.e. David Gaudu fractured a vertebrae early in Paris-Nice. He continued because initial scans revealed nothing but the pain got worse & he had a DNF just before the final stage. It's only later after more in-depth scans they discovered a fracture & he was out for 3 weeks.

This sort of stuff raises questions about cyclists riding through pain as part of the primary 'appeal' cycling is supposed to offer (i.e. suffering, basically).

You misunderstood me it seems. My point was that the critism on his retirement was way too harsh and early. And I'm not even sure whether he still would have retired if Kruijswijk already had gone by that time. Whether that (going on) would have been a wise decision is another question, with an easy answer: No!

 

[Rackham]

You misunderstood me it seems. My point was that the critism on his retirement was way too harsh and early. And I'm not even sure whether he still would have retired if Kruijswijk already had gone by that time. Whether that (going on) would have been a wise decision is another question, with an easy answer: No!

I don't think I misunderstood, i.e. my own point is the concept of riding the TdF in agony after a crash is crazy considering there could be something seriously wrong which the initial scan/diagnostic didn't reveal.

If this information re Roglic is true, it means Jumbo Visma won the TdF for Jonas Vingegaard in large part thanks to sending Roglic with a broken back to attack Pogacar on the Galibier.

This is nuts.

 

[staubsauger]

I don't think I misunderstood, i.e. my own point is the concept of riding the TdF in agony after a crash is crazy considering there could be something seriously wrong which the initial scan/diagnostic didn't reveal.

If this information re Roglic is true, it means Jumbo Visma won the TdF for Jonas Vingegaard in large part thanks to sending Roglic with a broken back to attack Pogacar on the Galibier.

This is nuts.

1 additional crash could've resulted in serious injuries couldn't it? Spinal damage is truly serious

 

[Eeslliw]

Rested and fully focused on WC ITT, how high would you rate his chances?

 

[Rackham]

1 additional crash could've resulted in serious injuries couldn't it? Spinal damage is truly serious

Yep. Now let's say last Sunday if he hasn't abandoned the race it's Roglic who crashes instead or Kruijswijk, i.e. voilà, he's potentially in a world of trouble.

This rider is a multi-million euro investment for Jumbo Visma. I know winning the TdF is big money but seriously it's absolutely not worth risking the health of a rider, i.e. something which is morally wrong & also economically self-defeating as well (for example Thibaut Pinot's back injury sustained in the 2020 TdF was an issue for FDJ for over a year when his performances suffered greatly due to finishing that Tour injured when he should have been sent home immediately).

 

[acm]

On german Eurosport broadcast they just said he might have two broken vertebrae and miss vuelta. Helping crack pogacar with relentless attacking while having a broken back sure seems a very roglician thing to do.

Oh no, I really hope that's not true.

 

[Red Rick]

Rested and fully focused on WC ITT, how high would you rate his chances?

To win?

0%.

 

[Lorzenz08]

You keep saying this, but that's not the truth. Of course winning the Tour is the logical apex for a GC rider, but he has said many times, he is not obsessed with the Tour. It's not his one and only goal. That's why he's been competing and winning in almost every race ha's been taking part of. And he can have many other goals still. The Giro for example can be another big goal. Winning more Vueltas, becoming World Champion, winning Lombardia, FW, other one week stage races and yes, winning the Tour can still remain one of the goals, why not...eh

Very true. Especially with the Tour which is often times very chaotic, I'm sure JV would want to have all their chances on their side in case Vingegaard fall, or has a bad day.

A Roglic in top form is definitely not very far from Pogie or Vingegaard.