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[CyclistAbi]

Just read some additional news in local media. JV not confirming but not denying the vertebra injury. But said in a way it's more or less obvious this is the case. Causing a lot of pain in lower back. That is why additional scans were made in the first place. Hopefully they didn't affect his back longer term. By keeping him in this race for so long. Vuelta could or could not happen this year. I guess it depends on what doctors say and on how fast it will heal. They likely don't know that yet.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Considering this type of injuries take at minimum 6 weeks to heal properly. And there is a higher risk of long term problems involved. Likely best to start focusing on next season. In regards to the GT racing. Some racing in autumn on the other hand is still in reach.

 

[Bananawatch]

Just read some additional news in local media. JV not confirming but not denying the vertebra injury. But said in a way it's more or less obvious this is the case. Causing a lot of pain in lower back. That is why additional scans were made in the first place. Hopefully they didn't affect his back longer term. By keeping him in this race for so long. Vuelta could or could not happen this year. I guess it depends on what doctors say and on how fast it will heal. They likely don't know that yet.

What I find intriguing and disturbing is the total silence from Roglic himself. Not a single Instagram post for over a week. At the very least, you'd think he would post a congratulatory post for his supposed friend Vingegaard, not to meant Wout and the team, who are all about sammenwinnen

 

[Gargamel35]

What I find intriguing and disturbing is the total silence from Roglic himself. Not a single Instagram post for over a week. At the very least, you'd think he would post a congratulatory post for his supposed friend Vingegaard, not to meant Wout and the team, who are all about sammenwinnen

They used him for their own goals and completely forgot him now that they are winning it all. They even don't find time to examine his scan results.

That's how good friends they are. Steve was also badly injured while helping Vinge. They don't mention him eather. It's all about jersey, Wout and Vinge, and sponsors now.

 

[Luthor]

Can u tell me when he has beaten G in GC in the Tour?

Did you know G finished last year's Tour after dislocating his shoulder in stage 3? Real fighter mentality!

Roglic literally dropped Thomas on Super Planche with a broken back.
Also he helped Vinge on Granon stage, G was useless last year.

But you having delusional comments on Roglic is not surprising given your history. I wonder what the dude did to you to hate him so much.

 

[Rackham]

Here's something I've never seen before, i.e. a Roglic transfer 'rumor'. So according to Raymond Kerckhoffs at WielerFlits, there's a rumor Ineos Grenadiers want him next year: Nederlandse en Sloveense vlag achter Tourzege Jonas Vingegaard | WielerFlits

Al doemt nu wel een vraag op: hoe gaat Roglic in de toekomst om met de veranderde hiërarchische verhouding in de ploeg nu Vingegaard heeft aangetoond dat hij wèl de Tour kan winnen. In Radio Peloton gonst het gerucht dat INEOS – Grenadiers interesse heeft om Roglic over te nemen. Hierdoor komt Jumbo-Visma misschien voor de moeilijke beslissing te staan of het wel of niet moet doorgaan met Roglic. Aangezien de inbreng van Roglic veel groter is dan alleen zijn sportieve waarde, kan dit een heel lastig vraagstuk worden. Al is dit een mogelijke zorg voor later.

 

[Miha81]

Here's something I've never seen before, i.e. a Roglic transfer 'rumor'. So according to Raymond Kerckhoffs at WielerFlits, there's a rumor Ineos Grenadiers want him next year: Nederlandse en Sloveense vlag achter Tourzege Jonas Vingegaard | WielerFlits

If this happens how do Ineos plan to tackle next year's TDF? 5 GC guys and almost no domestiques

 

[Valv.Piti]

If this happens how do Ineos plan to tackle next year's TDF? 5 GC guys and almost no domestiques

Maybe they will throw a page out of Johan Cruyff's book of totalvoetball, like Jumbo Visma did this year, and dominate the race with 5 leaders. Jumbo did it with 3.

 

[Rackham]

If this happens how do Ineos plan to tackle next year's TDF? 5 GC guys and almost no domestiques

I think a bunch of them are rumored to be leaving.

But Ineos did want Pogacar last year so I wouldn't be surprised if they're interested in the 'other' Slovenian, aka the human one.

I think this sort of talk is quite normal considering what happened on the road, i.e. Jumbo will look at Roglic as a rider who can massively support Vingegaard in 2023, whilst Ineos will look at him as a rider who can win for them.

In any case I've never really seen Roglic ever mentioned in transfer rumors before so this was a bit of a 'first'. But it's a logical progression, i.e. Roglic is a winner, not a domestique. Other teams know that.

 

[Valv.Piti]

I think if Roglic wants to and finds a very good level throughout 2023, he will be a co-leader in TdF - on paper at least - and then let the legs decide. Its always better to have 2 up in the GC than only 1. You never know what can happen, Rogla did get hit by some incredibly bad luck the last two editions and that might as well happen to Jonas next year. On top of that, you can play your cards a lot more strategically with 2 leaders, like they did on Granon. Maybe Pogacar won't 'fall' for it this time, and so Roglic goes up the road with Wout and gains a significant advantage.

This is still unfished business. From my POV, Im totally done with the Giro, its a garbage race. The Tour is where its at, and I hope he will suit up next year as well in the exact same formation as Jumbo did this year.

 

[bNator]

I think if Roglic wants to and finds a very good level throughout 2023, he will be a co-leader in TdF - on paper at least - and then let the legs decide. Its always better to have 2 up in the GC than only 1. You never know what can happen, Rogla did get hit by some incredibly bad luck the last two editions and that might as well happen to Jonas next year. On top of that, you can play your cards a lot more strategically with 2 leaders, like they did on Granon. Maybe Pogacar won't 'fall' for it this time, and so Roglic goes up the road with Wout and gains a significant advantage.

This is still unfished business. From my POV, Im totally done with the Giro, its a garbage race. The Tour is where its at, and I hope he will suit up next year as well in the exact same formation as Jumbo did this year.

Good for you. A bit insulting to Italians and Giro fans, though…

Other than that - I would love to see Roglič kicking TJV ass in Ineos uniform

 

[Rackham]

I think if Roglic wants to and finds a very good level throughout 2023, he will be a co-leader in TdF - on paper at least - and then let the legs decide. Its always better to have 2 up in the GC than only 1. You never know what can happen, Rogla did get hit by some incredibly bad luck the last two editions and that might as well happen to Jonas next year. On top of that, you can play your cards a lot more strategically with 2 leaders, like they did on Granon. Maybe Pogacar won't 'fall' for it this time, and so Roglic goes up the road with Wout and gains a significant advantage.

This is still unfished business. From my POV, Im totally done with the Giro, its a garbage race. The Tour is where its at, and I hope he will suit up next year as well in the exact same formation as Jumbo did this year.

A lot will depend on the team dynamics inside Jumbo (only Roglic knows whether he's happy or not, or whether he even trusts these people to give him a fair chance).

But from the outside, I could totally see why Ineos would be an interesting team for a rider like Roglic if he wants to beat the other supermen. Ineos ride more conservatively (like Roglic) & have a structure which would theoretically protect him & his teammates, instead of Jumbo's shooting from the hip with WvA firing bullets all over the road on every stage & a co-leader (Vingegaard) who is current TdF champion. Vingegaard & Pogacar could mark each other next year & if a rider like Roglic (for example) wants to benefit from that, then he'd need the tactical freedom to do so (at Jumbo there's a huge risk he never gets the chance if Vingegaard is ahead & has the yellow jersey).

It's an interesting conversation in any case, i.e. because riding another 'samey' season next year with Jumbo looks a bit depressing from the outside (especially as when it really mattered they pulled away his support & favored Vingegaard).

 

[CyclistAbi]

Well. If Roglič will decide to heal his back properly. And to still pursue long term goals. They can still send Jonas to Vuelta this year.

 

[CyclistAbi]

What I find intriguing and disturbing is the total silence from Roglic himself. Not a single Instagram post for over a week. At the very least, you'd think he would post a congratulatory post for his supposed friend Vingegaard, not to meant Wout and the team, who are all about sammenwinnen

From Rogličes perspective there is a lot to process. From JV perspective they currently don't seem to care all that much anyway. In such circumstances best to give it a bit of time. And if any actions to be taken to think them through wisely.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Other than that - I would love to see Roglič kicking TJV ass in Ineos uniform

Agreed.

Interesting development. Think Rogla will want to bring Kuss with him if he leaves for INEOS (or another team).

 

[CyclistAbi]

I do wonder if as a gesture of gratitude he will now get a pay raise or a pay cut. Or maybe to show some appreciation he will get a piece of a two days old cake. From Paris with Love.

We'll see.

 

[noob]

But isn't Tratnik on his way to Jumbo to be with Rogla?

 

[Barnacle Bill]

Ideally I'd prefer at least the top 3 GC contenders to be on different teams, so they can openly compete without being constrained by team dynamics/tactics. Roglic is one of those, he deserves 100% support imo - would love to see Roglic vs Pogacar vs JV next year.

Ineos would be an interesting option and could give him good support. Bernal's recovery is uncertain (and there's no indication as to whether he would be able to live with the top level we've just seen in the TDF), Carapaz supposedly leaving, the ageless G yet another year older... Ineos would surely make a good offer to get hold of him.

 

[CyclistAbi]

But isn't Tratnik on his way to Jumbo to be with Rogla?

This are more or less all always rumors. Potential transfers. Until something actually happens. Until then best to take them with a pinch of salt. As for rumors about Roglič signing for Ineos. In my opinion this would be a rather huge move. Likely not to happen. But if it would to happen. Then likely the situation ATM is right for that.

 

[CyclistAbi]

The main problem i see with JV now is they will likely be actively plotting against his chances. On races such as the Tour. The rest should likely be fine.

We'll see.

 

[CyclistAbi]

All in all Roglič did his part on this Tour edition. Has taken one for the team. After his team did him a solid. Got send home injured. Showed Ineos he can still beat them with a broken back ... It's now on others to do the talking. Personally i will take a break from cycling. Now when the Tour is over. Will wait for Rogla to return.

Get well soon champ and whatever you decide you have my support.

 

[Miha81]

Maybe they will throw a page out of Johan Cruyff's book of totalvoetball, like Jumbo Visma did this year, and dominate the race with 5 leaders. Jumbo did it with 3.

At the end there was only one leader. As seen on cobbles stage and again on stage when Pogi was cracked.

But I guess it makes cycling fun to watch if teams start writing new "playbook" with some unconventional approaches. At least for me it was one of the most entertaining TDF's if not the most entertaining. Eventhough none of "my guys" won.

 

[Jumbot]

Here's something I've never seen before, i.e. a Roglic transfer 'rumor'.

Same rumor about Ineos was around last year during/after Tour and in 2019 before Vuelta there was a rumor about him going to Bahrain... but as always you only see what and when it suits you

 

[SHAD0W93]

Maybe they will throw a page out of Johan Cruyff's book of totalvoetball, like Jumbo Visma did this year, and dominate the race with 5 leaders. Jumbo did it with 3.

They could have did that this year if Roglic and a Crushweak didn’t get injured.

 

[Rackham]

Same rumor about Ineos was around last year during/after Tour and in 2019 before Vuelta there was a rumor about him going to Bahrain... but as always you only see what and when it suits you

For argument sake (& it's pretty pointless to have argument over something so trivial), what if I never saw those transfer rumors? I mean this is literally the first I've noticed & more importantly paid any attention to. There was no reason to ever believe Roglic & Jumbo would part ways because they had unfinished business together & were building towards a goal (the TdF). Now? Jumbo has reached their goal, Roglic hasn't.

Is this worth bickering over? Not really. Do I know what will happen? Absolutely not. Do I enjoy discussing cycling (including hypothetical transfers)? Sure. Why not.