I just meant he races economically like a sprinter, because he has a great ability to sprint those last 50m up a climb when everyone is on or over the limit. I'm not saying that's his only way of gaining time, but for La Vuelta the time bonuses have always been what he seems to focus his energy on more than most riders do.
Vingegaard no slouch? He could be better than Roglič at this point! He is consistenlty second only to Pog in mountain sprints and in some cases he is even looking like he could endanger him. This year for instance, he beat Pog twice in TDF sprints. I am rating Vingegaard way above Remco or Ayuso when it comes to mountain sprints...
Roglic is offensive when he has to be. Just like Pogacar is. And just like every rider who races to their strengths.
I don't know if Roglic and Vingegaard will do sprints against each other though. You'll probably see Vingegaard do the leadouts for Roglic, like he did in Dauphiné last year.
Once out of how many and there’s the motogate side of it too.
I'd like to advance a modest proposal: eliminate time bonuses on mountain top finishes. It doesn't reflect actual strengths. It doesn't encourage attacks. It falsifies GC, etc. Now, I know you Roglic fans think this Is anathema, but I can role with that. But real racing is won on real racing, not time bonuses. It enhances the video game effect or card games. And don't tell me cycling is poker!
Yea, but "letting" a break go has a chronological reason. You can't race to close every gap in the economy of a stage race. Hence, the non-factors are given a leash amongst everybody fighting for GT. If there were no time bonuses, little would change. Or if Rog and Pog deem reeling them in for the time bonuses is more profitable, then that's on them and their teams, at their own risk. The point is that they are racing to gain bonuses, not gaps, thus time they would not actually have gained on the road. I'd simply prefer time gained be on the road. Real time, not board game rules.
Let's not pretend Roglic needs bonus seconds to win. In the Giro he gathered a grand total of 6 bonus seconds. Over the whole race.
Isn't that a bit different? you are talking about a not doing a complete stage compared to getting additional seconds on intermediate/finish in some stages. Don't think the previous posters are against a ramp , flat, HC, downhill finish. The question posed was if there need to be boni seconds for finishing first in some of the stages? (one can argue why they aren't consistent with the boni seconds as well.).
That we don't know. We haven't seen Remco sprint against Pogi yet, who's probably the fastest of them all.
That was the Giro, after Covid. The Vuelta, with his own teammate as potentially stronger, shall be an entirely different matter. With the way he races, he'll need all the bonus seconds he can get.
Sorry, but it's a rule, a made up concoction, not a necessity. I don't like the premise, given all else is awarded by actual time gaps. Who made up this rule? Ability nets stage wins, but that should not come with a gift in seconds, especially when it doesn't on all stages. And I say this in premise, not based on anyone's ability.
I think it's more that when he is able to do so, it is not necessary for him to do so. He will almost always have a bigger edge in the final punch and often in the TTs as well, and then it's simply the path of least resistance to the overall victory to defend on climbs. His only miscalculation was the 2020 Tour, and I was also critical of his riding style in that race. That was the only stage race he has lost because of how he rode it, and so he has almost won all stage races he has done since 2018.
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