Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

[pablohidalgo7]

Roglic defeated Pogacar fair and square in Itzulia 21 (smashing him in the TT and being equal in the rest) and since then they never have faced properly in stage racing. Tadej was back then almost as strong as is it right now (at least in stage racing) and Roglic without crashes also is at this level or even a bit better (power-wise is stronger now just like the whole bunch)

Most cycling fans assume things with Rogla that have not happened as certainties, like that Pogacar would beat him in anything easily, I'm pretty sure that in Emilia they saw him as a favorite in that final when clearly the favorite was Roglic if you can analyse cycling properly (just like Pog was in Lombardy or any other monument versus his fellow slovenian). In a one-week race, things would be very close even today, Primoz can beat him (or being very close) using his weapons and containing most or all of Tadej's attacks and even depending on the day, taking advantage of a hilly time trial like that of Itzulia 21.
Regarding the gaps in his victories, simply despite being a fan of Roglic, I must admit that unless the situation requires it, He does not have within him that will to win by sweeping the rest and making the biggest difference possible, just the will of win. An example, I am very sure that without Remco In the Volta he would not have been more than 2 minutes ahead of the rest of his rivals, however physically he was capable as he demonstrated, so with Pogacar (or Vingegaard) it would also be similar, he would work much harder than usually and would end up giving his 100 % obligatorily, a level that would surprise most people again because of the narrative that he is to old to face the prodigies and all that stuff.

 

[acm]

Yes, I watched him, the whole year. I felt it was not until Vuelta that he was at his best. He won Catalunya because he was smarter, and Evenepoel was too eager. The Giro he wouldn't have won without Covid intervening.

Remco still wouldn't win. And if we're playing that game... Rogla would have easily won if half the Ineos team hadn't crashed right in front of him.

 

[SHAD0W93]

@Berniece

Then again Rogla really started winning in 2019. It's not like it took Rogla a decade. To win all this races. Season 2023 in my opinion was one of the best. For the mister 100%.

2017 is when Roglic started getting picked to win stage races and the wins started the following year, don’t try and hide the facts.

So i guess due to some personal preference. As you don't like his style so he can't be the greatest?



There is one small detail. That already happened.

So it's not as unimaginable as you might believe. But for sure it's not easy. I will give you that. And that is one of the reasons on why one week long stage racing is much more prestigious now, that it might have been in the past. Although one week stage races wins were in my opinion always appreciated. Otherwise we wouldn't bother to mention the number, when we talk about the greats of this sport. Especially in regards to stage racing.

Almeida has also beaten Roglic in some time trials, Kuss in GT, and Schachmann in a stage race so I guess it’s just going to happen more frequently now.

 

[CyclistAbi]

2017 is when Roglic started getting picked to win stage races and the wins started the following year, don’t try and hide the facts.

Nah. It was 2019 when he first openly said i am going for (GT) GC. Before that he was mainly learning on how to ride a bike and what to do with himself. Being a ski jumper.

Almeida has also beaten Roglic in some time trials, I guess it’s just going to happen more frequently now.

I won't judge Almeida in such way. In my opinion he is a good cyclists. If he makes that switch, to becoming top tier, then for sure he can win more races. We'll see. But i get it what you are really trying to say. Just as every year before, in this pre-season talks, obviously everybody else are going to beat Rogla. Rogla hence always being in a bit of a pickle. In this part of the season.

 

[Froome]

GC, so both.

Froome has the best palmares, but he is already "retired" since 2019.

Vingegaard is the current best GC racer.

Vingegaard and pogacar will end they're careers with a better palmares in stage races than froome and roglic.

 

[Oldermanish]

No, because his gaps are way smaller. Why does everyone keep saying he Stomps? Because that's what he does. Keep following, and stomp on them in the last 500m.


What already happened? That Roglic beat Pogacar? Not since 2021 at ITZ.

Here again, if it's about the numbers, Sean Kelly has 14 major tour wins.

You're arguing against Roglic for "gaps...smaller" as some sign of weakness? It is a strength to save energy where possible. Then you reference Sean Kelly in the same breath? Kelly was a superb sprinter and would always prefer to knock off an opponent that way.
Figure out a new prejudicial metric to gauge talent than "gaps". They are pretty much irrelevant unless they decide an entire GT.
Otherwise the racer looks for the best win and what's better than having a hyped up Belgian banging on his bars in dissappointment in your trail? Multiple times.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Nah. It was 2019 when he first openly said i am going for (GT) GC. Before that he was mainly learning on how to ride a bike and what to do with himself. Being a ski jumper.



I won't judge Almeida in such way. In my opinion he is a good cyclists. If he makes that switch, to becoming top tier, then for sure he can win more races. We'll see. But i get it what you are really trying to say. Just as every year before, in this pre-season talks, obviously everybody else are going to beat Rogla. Rogla hence always being in a bit of a pickle. In this part of the season.

Wow so Roglic had such a transformation from 2017 to 2019 with such an invisible 2018 campaign. So 2017-2019 learn how to ride bike, 2020-2022 learn how to not crash, 2023-? learn how to use disc brakes?

Those riders beat Roglic in the past there go through your point it’ll happen again.

 

[AmRacer]

You're arguing against Roglic for "gaps...smaller" as some sign of weakness? It is a strength to save energy where possible. Then you reference Sean Kelly in the same breath? Kelly was a superb sprinter and would always prefer to knock off an opponent that way.
Figure out a new prejudicial metric to gauge talent than "gaps". They are pretty much irrelevant unless they decide an entire GT.
Otherwise the racer looks for the best win and what's better than having a hyped up Belgian banging on his bars in dissappointment in your trail? Multiple times.

Only 80 km solo attacks counts, do keep up.

 

[CyclistAbi]

2023-? learn how to use disc brakes?

Not on stage races. There in my opinion such skill is already good enough. Lets not forget that Roglič is the first GT winner riding on disc brakes through the whole race. That is what one would call an early adopter. First in his generation. Here age likely plays a role, due to the experience.

On monuments, there yes. There Rogla will need to improve the art and push disc brakes to a moment before failure. Pogi will make him do that. Thank you Pogi. Hopefully Moho doesn't over do it with suggesting dropper seatpost.

 

[Gargamel35]

Froome has the best palmares, but he is already "retired" since 2019.

Vingegaard is the current best GC racer.

Vingegaard and pogacar will end they're careers with a better palmares in stage races than froome and roglic.

Everyone are one crash/injury away from not winning anything any more. Don't make such stupid claims.

 

[CyclistAbi]

So considering the year is ending. Looking back i am rather delighted on how this season went. A lot of beautiful memories involved. I am a bit nervous about the next season, bit more then usual. After all Rogla is moving from arguably the best team in the peloton to a team not yet on the very top. So some hiccups are bound to happen. Still it's Rogla and this team does look like to support him fully. Not taking anything for granted and feeling cautiously optimistic. First win is now the first goal! And then to take it from that and onwards. Merry 2024 season to Rogla and all involved in following this beautiful sport!

 

[MTV]

I don't care for all "wannabe realistic whatever forgetting when someone starting to ride a bike".
I just wish all the best and luck to Rogla. Because it should come his way.

 

[Elos Anjos]

Everyone are one crash/injury away from not winning anything any more. Don't make such stupid claims.

You better get used to such claims, it's really very, very usual.

 

[Carols]

Vingegaard and pogacar will end they're careers with a better palmares in stage races than froome and roglic.

And you know this how? Many a career has been derailed by accidents and in other ways. LeMond was shot and lost 2 prime years as an example.

 

[Froome]

And you know this how? Many a career has been derailed by accidents and in other ways. LeMond was shot and lost 2 prime years as an example.

If they don’t have any accidents*
Better like that.

Calm down roglic fans.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Hopefully there’s no accidents next year while everyone is in top for and Roglic doesn’t have any issues on a new team that way we can lay everything to rest one way or the other. Unless of course they all withdraw and Evenepoel wins, causing this place to turn into the Great Crusades.

 

[Lequack]

He's half there

 

[Rackham]

He's smiling like a kid who just got a new bike for Christmas... except his Specialized must cost something like 10,000 euros.

One of the perks of being a pro cyclist eh.

 

[Blanco]

And you know this how? Many a career has been derailed by accidents and in other ways. LeMond was shot and lost 2 prime years as an example.

And it doesn't need to be an injury or accident. Simply stronger riders emerge...
Remember Quintana in 2013, everyone thought he would win at least couple of Tours, but he ended up with one Giro and one Vuelta.
Kwiatkowski in 2014 looked like he will win monuments and big stage races left and right, and potentially even a GT's, yet he ended with "only" two big wins.
Van Aert in 2020 looked like an improved version of Cancellara, who woud have thought he will have only one monument 3-4 years after.
And so on...

 

[Froome]

And it doesn't need to be an injury or accident. Simply stronger riders emerge...
Remember Quintana in 2013, everyone thought he would win at least couple of Tours, but he ended up with one Giro and one Vuelta.
Kwiatkowski in 2014 looked like he will win monuments and big stage races left and right, and potentially even a GT's, yet he ended with "only" two big wins.
Van Aert in 2020 looked like an improved version of Cancellara, who woud have thought he will have only one monument 3-4 years after.
And so on...

Naturally some strong riders will emerge and be better than pogacar and vingegaard, but i don't think that it will gonna happen at least in the next 3 years.
More 3 years without any bad luck will be enough to get a better palmares in stage races.
I can't see cian uijdtbroeks and ayuso get better than them so soon.

 

[Blanco]

Naturally some strong riders will emerge and be better than pogacar and vingegaard, but i don't think that it will gonna happen at least in the next 3 years.
More 3 years without any bad luck will be enough to get a better palmares in stage races.
I can't see cian uijdtbroeks and ayuso get better than them so soon.

I couldn't see Vingegaard being better than Pogacar, but it actually happened, so you never know.
And I think they will need at least 4-5 more years to catch Froome (Vingegaard), if everything goes ideally. For Pogacar to do that, he needs to shift focus off the Tour.

 

[Finn84]

Tour de Suisse is a pretty big race to have on your palmares, but not so much if you're Primoz Roglic.

In the 21st century, Karpets and Spilak are those who come to my mind who can say TdS win as their greatest achievement. Skjelmose too, but his career is in the early stages so a lot can still happen.

 

[Squire]

Tour de Suisse is a pretty big race to have on your palmares, but not so much if you're Primoz Roglic.
But, what we're talking about here, is that if Rogla wins that Suisse he becomes the only rider in history of cycling who won all of the 7 big one-week stage races, and I think nobody, beside him, even has 6.
And if you add the Tour, he'll be the rider who won every damn one of the 10 stage races that counts, achievement that would require some serious time to be reached,

Interesting statistic. By 'big' ones I take it you mean PN, TA, Catalunya, Itzulia, Romandie, Dauphiné and Suisse?

Porte, the previous king of one-week stage races, has five of them, missing TA and Itzulia (where he was 2nd). Contador somehow never won the June races, and is also missing Romandie. Thomas has a decent record having won four of them and podiumed two more (like Contador). Only missing a result in Pais Vasco. Klöden has also won four with podiums in two others, with Dauphiné being the missing one for him.

Roglic' strike rate in these races is completely insane, by the way.

 

[Blanco]

Interesting statistic. By 'big' ones I take it you mean PN, TA, Catalunya, Itzulia, Romandie, Dauphiné and Suisse?

Porte, the previous king of one-week stage races, has five of them, missing TA and Itzulia (where he was 2nd). Contador somehow never won the June races, and is also missing Romandie. Thomas has a decent record having won four of them and podiumed two more (like Contador). Only missing a result in Pais Vasco. Klöden has also won four with podiums in two others, with Dauphiné being the missing one for him.

Roglic' strike rate in these races is completely insane, by the way.

Yes.

Roglic is indeed the only one who won 6 different, with Porte being the only who won 5.
Sean Kelly is the leader in total wins with unbelievable 14 wins. Then we have Roglic, Rominger and Anquetil with 9.

 

[CyclistAbi]

He's smiling like a kid ...

He flew out of his golden cage. Go Primož! To the France, to the Tour of France! This bike is all you need. And hopefully some food.