Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

[Blanco]

Sure, we'll wait until Pogacar surpasses him, or at the end of his career. We'll store this discussion away for 10-15 years.

Well, you won't hear me saying that Vingegaard is better GT rider than Contador, at least until he come close to him results wise, or that Van Der Poel is better than Boonen...

 

[CyclistAbi]

Yeah, if Rogla pulls it off in 2024. The sheer amount of statistics should be more then enough. On top of context. Like the best generation of many many years.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Pogacar won 7 of his last 8 one-week stage races. The one he didn't win was that Itxulia in 2021 where Roglic and Gaudu dropped Mcnitly early, and Pogacar was made to wait a bit and pull. Pogacar hardly does any stage races but when he does he almost always wins. I think it is fair to say he is as good as Roglic, although Roglic has a far better palmares in one-week races, due to longer carrier and more focus on these races.

 

[Froome]

Lets first win the Tour. Then we can discuss this further. As i have a feeling at where you are aiming at. Lets do that after.

You don’t have certainty that you will have that discussion further.
Even if Roglic wins the tour 2024, froome is a better stage racer than him. Froome won 4 tours de france, 2 vueltas, one giro, it's not even close.

Froome is absolutely finished at the moment, he is annoying with is bullsh** about winning another tour in the future, he is being delusional, but let's not rewrite history. Froome accomplished a lot more than roglic.

 

[CyclistAbi]

You don’t have certainty that you will have that discussion further.

It's just that that is a bit too far reaching. Lets enjoy the moment first. Lets not take it for granted!

 

[Berniece]

Well, you won't hear me saying that Vingegaard is better GT rider than Contador, at least until he come close to him results wise, or that Van Der Poel is better than Boonen...

Because Contador was the best of his generation, as was Boonen. Roglic doesn't show to be as good as Pogacar. At least not based on how he wins, and they barely face off against each other. Since 2021, so in 3 seasons, they did 4 stage races of which two were TDF against each other.

But I don't understand why this is even a discussion. I don't see in what world Roglic would ever beat Pogacar in a 1 week stage race where both of them are at a decent level. Because Roglic is just not better in anything than Pogacar. Roglic won more stage races, but that's because he's older.

 

[CyclistAbi]

At least not based on how he wins ...

So i guess due to some personal preference. As you don't like his style so he can't be the greatest?

But I don't understand why this is even a discussion. I don't see in what world Roglic would ever beat Pogacar in a 1 week stage race where both of them are at a decent level. Because Roglic is just not better in anything than Pogacar. Roglic won more stage races, but that's because he's older.

There is one small detail. That already happened.

So it's not as unimaginable as you might believe. But for sure it's not easy. I will give you that. And that is one of the reasons on why one week long stage racing is much more prestigious now, that it might have been in the past. Although one week stage races wins were in my opinion always appreciated. Otherwise we wouldn't bother to mention the number, when we talk about the greats of this sport. Especially in regards to stage racing.

 

[Berniece]

So i guess due to some personal preference. As you don't like his style so he can't be the greatest?

No, because his gaps are way smaller. Why does everyone keep saying he Stomps? Because that's what he does. Keep following, and stomp on them in the last 500m.

There is one small detail. That already happened.

What already happened? That Roglic beat Pogacar? Not since 2021 at ITZ.

So it's not as unimaginable as you might believe. But for sure it's not easy. I will give you that. And that is one of the reasons on why one week long stage racing is much more prestigious now, that it might have been in the past. Although one week stage races wins were in my opinion always appreciated. Otherwise we wouldn't bother to mention the number, when we talk about the greats of this sport. Especially in regards to stage racing.

Here again, if it's about the numbers, Sean Kelly has 14 major tour wins.

 

[CyclistAbi]

No, because his gaps are way smaller. Why does everyone keep saying he Stomps? Because that's what he does. Keep following, and stomp on them in the last 500m.

Nah. Is much less then that these days. Rogla is getting older. Forget 500m.

What already happened? That Roglic beat Pogacar? Not since 2021 at ITZ.

Is it that long already? We will i guess have to do something about that then.

Here again, if it's about the numbers, Sean Kelly has 14 major tour wins.

Good point. Kelly is a good example. Of a cyclist his greatness would never allow it. For week long stage races to be taken away or diminished.

 

[CyclistAbi]

All in all i came here to see if some to be announced Bora kit wearing Rogla already emerged. Then got caught up with the whole Cian saga. It was fun but now back to off season hibernation and training.

Lets just hope that the acceleration of his new equipment doesn't land Rogla on his ass. At the begining of the season. It should be fine after and the rest will sort itself out!

 

[AmRacer]

In the current Peloton,
who is the best stage racer
vs
who has the best stage race Palmarès
.
could be a new thread.

 

[CyclistAbi]

In the current Peloton,
who is the best stage racer
vs
who has the best stage race Palmarès
.
could be a new thread.

Yeah but now we know already. But feel free to open one.

 

[Froome]

In the current Peloton,
who is the best stage racer
vs
who has the best stage race Palmarès
.
could be a new thread.

One week races and Grand tours? Or just one week races?

 

[AmRacer]

Yeah but now we know already. But feel free to open one.

This one isn't too bad

10	Tour de Suisse	2.UWT
9	Tour de Romandie	2.UWT
8	Tour de France	2.UWT
7	Critérium du Dauphiné	2.UWT
6	Tour of the Alps	2.HC
5	Paris - Nice	2.UWT
4	Volta ao Algarve em Bicicleta	2.1
3	Volta ao Algarve em Bicicleta	2.1
2	Bayern Rundfahrt	2.HC
1	Bayern Rundfahrt	2.HC

 

[AmRacer]

One week races and Grand tours? Or just one week races?

GC, so both.

 

[Blanco]

Because Contador was the best of his generation, as was Boonen. Roglic doesn't show to be as good as Pogacar. At least not based on how he wins, and they barely face off against each other. Since 2021, so in 3 seasons, they did 4 stage races of which two were TDF against each other.

But I don't understand why this is even a discussion. I don't see in what world Roglic would ever beat Pogacar in a 1 week stage race where both of them are at a decent level. Because Roglic is just not better in anything than Pogacar. Roglic won more stage races, but that's because he's older.

Contador had Froome..., Boonen had Cancellara...,Roglic has Pogacar...
Roglic has already beat Pogacar in stage races, so I can't see why he can't do it now.
Pogacar has better endurance,so he is better in long and hard races, like monuments and multi mountain stages, yet Roglic is better in shorter steep climbing efforts, like you could see in Emilia this year. In TT-ing I would also give Roglic a slight advantage.

 

[Berniece]

Contador had Froome..., Boonen had Cancellara...,Roglic has Pogacar...
Roglic has already beat Pogacar in stage races, so I can't see why he can't do it now.
Pogacar has better endurance,so he is better in long and hard races, like monuments and multi mountain stages, yet Roglic is better in shorter steep climbing efforts, like you could see in Emilia this year. In TT-ing I would also give Roglic a slight advantage.

Like I said before, it's since ITZ 2021 that Roglic has beaten Pogacar in a stage race or GT. When Pogacar was 22 years old.

 

[Netserk]

Like I said before, it's since ITZ 2021 that Roglic has beaten Pogacar in a stage race or GT. When Pogacar was 22 years old.

Yes, back when Pogi could still win GTs. It's also the last stage race both finished, so you could just as well say that outside of the fluke ITT in 2020, Pogi has never defeated Rogla in a stage race.

 

[Blanco]

Like I said before, it's since ITZ 2021 that Roglic has beaten Pogacar in a stage race or GT. When Pogacar was 22 years old.

That was the last time they've both finished a stage race.
Pogacar at 22 years old was double Tour de France winner.

 

[Berniece]

That was the last time they've both finished a stage race.
Pogacar at 22 years old was double Tour de France winner.

And you feel he hasn't improved since? And Roglic is better?

 

[Blanco]

And you feel he hasn't improved since? And Roglic is better?

You did watched Roglic this year?
As for Pogacar, he improved a lot, but only in one-day races..

 

[Berniece]

You did watch Roglic this year?

Yes, I watched him, the whole year. I felt it was not until Vuelta that he was at his best. He won Catalunya because he was smarter, and Evenepoel was too eager. The Giro he wouldn't have won without Covid intervening.

In the Vuelta on the other hand he was great, but not at the level of Vingegaard, and I don't think at the level of Pogacar either.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Yes, I watched him, the whole year. I felt it was not until Vuelta that he was at his best. He won Catalunya because he was smarter, and Evenepoel was too eager. The Giro he wouldn't have won without Covid intervening.

In the Vuelta on the other hand he was great, but not at the level of Vingegaard, and I don't think at the level of Pogacar either.

Yeah but you have to agree here that some bias is needed to write something like that. That is Rogla was mister 100% only due to his ... X.

X being things like age, bike handling ... Oh no, wait that is actually his Y. X hence being .... legend.

 

[AmRacer]

The Giro he wouldn't have won without Covid intervening.

G would have won the Giro, of course.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Lets not forget, like usual, before 2023 season Rogla has obvisuly already retired. Maybe in ideal scenario in top 10 if he made a comeback.

Then Bang and now Bora!