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[acm]

Martinez is learning quickly from Rogla.
First lesson: how to outsprint Remco.
Done.

 

[CyclistAbi]

I'm not so sure cycling hasn't also become about "who will get delegated the best technical package" in its various manifestations.

It for sure is about technology too, but to much much lesser extent. Top riders swapping bikes would not make much difference.

 

[Netserk]

Martinez is learning quickly from Rogla.
First lesson: how to outsprint Remco.
Done.

Everyone knows they need to step up. The country finally has a king again.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

It’s really fascinating to see smart posters incapable of nuance here. It isn’t binary. They can think they have a higher probability of success this year and beyond with Vingegaard, while still being concerned Roglic could beat him in the Tour, and let Roglic walk. These are all simultaneously possible. I’m not sure where all this binary thinking is coming from, but I guess it’s 2024 and that’s just how it goes.

Has everyone already forgotten that Vingegaard did 20 watts more in the ITT than he thought he could do based on training? He thought his power meter was broken. And Roglic underperformed in the 2020 ITT. They’re not computers.

 

[Netserk]

It’s really fascinating to see smart posters incapable of nuance here. It isn’t binary. They can think they have a higher probability of success this year and beyond with Vingegaard, while still being concerned Roglic could beat him in the Tour, and let Roglic walk. These are all simultaneously possible. I’m not sure where all this binary thinking is coming from, but I guess it’s 2024 and that’s just how it goes.

Has everyone already forgotten that Vingegaard did 20 watts more in the ITT than he thought he could do based on training? He thought his power meter was broken. And Roglic underperformed in the 2020 ITT. They’re not computers.

Sorry, but my computer says that the 2024 Tour de France salad bowl is already in Rogla's trophy cabinet. Do you want a Tour?

 

[Oldermanish]

As I have stated previously you can't plan thinking of the possiblity of having a bad season, but only on previous facts. And Vingegaard at the last two Tours was simply on another level, which neither Roglic, nor Pogacar have reached. I thus think its fair to say that Jonas is more aerobically efficient, that his ceiling is just higher than the rest. Naturally anyone can have a bad year, for which, yes, Roglic could still win the Tour in the twilight of his career. However, all things considered, if Vingegaard doesn't have a bad year, and there's no reason to think in the golden years of his career he's in right now that he would, bar crash or crazy incident, I don't think Roglic can beat him. Apparently Visma "knows" this based on the parameters they have in their files on each rider. So unless Roglic can up his game, victory at the Tour, while not impossible, I posit remains unlikely.

I still contend Visma created a problem best solved by letting Roglic move on and not keeping him for some sort of insurance. Too expensive and fraught with political intrigue.
As for his age being an issue; I don't think there has been any drop off in his abilities and acknowledge that Jonas has been situationally superior in the Tour. If all conditions remain the same the odds are in Pogi or Jonas' favor. If Roglic plans his Tour minus any major deviations I'd say his odds are much better than prior Tours. He's made enough mistakes to know what needs improvement. Tactics may be more important this year than ever.

 

[Extinction]

I still contend Visma created a problem best solved by letting Roglic move on and not keeping him for some sort of insurance. Too expensive and fraught with political intrigue.
As for his age being an issue; I don't think there has been any drop off in his abilities and acknowledge that Jonas has been situationally superior in the Tour. If all conditions remain the same the odds are in Pogi or Jonas' favor. If Roglic plans his Tour minus any major deviations I'd say his odds are much better than prior Tours. He's made enough mistakes to know what needs improvement. Tactics may be more important this year than ever.

And "fraught with political intrigue" beckons to ask why? What do you mean by this statement? As far as age is concerned, we now know that a really pure and disciplined cyclist, without vices, can go very well into his early 40s, and with Roglic this seems to be the case. Roglic's odds increase if Bora can create the ideal situation for him. Ironically, I think they can.

 

[Lequack]

Training in Tenerife

 

[Froome]

Training in Tenerife

Always wheelsucking someone, unbelievable.

 

[proffate]

It is in the recovery and the ability to replicate almost the same numbers in hard race situations as when he is fresh, something quite difficult to measure in training.

It's pretty easy actually, although it's true that we as fans don't have access to these insights since they don't post everything on strava. Freely available training software will track your ATL/CTL aka "fitness" and "fatigue" and even without trying amateurs will discover the long-term training load they can withstand as measured in TSS per day/week/month. You don't have to actually ride a GT to determine the long-term training load you can withstand.

 

[Berniece]

Always wheelsucking someone, unbelievable.

They are trying to replicate a race like environment

 

[CyclistAbi]

So in the past couple of days Rogla did a couple of interviews. When racing, he seen that at Bora they completely changed their strategy and goals in the past two years and feels the team is "fully armed" to back him. He is interested in further developing the team too, aside from his personal ambitions. The idea to change the environment matured for a while and reached the tipping point at third week of Vuelta. He believes Pogi has a good chance at winning the Giro, as weather and the route should suit him. He barely knew Pogi in 2020 and now he knows he is a nice guy and a great champion. Although on the road they are rivals they get along well when spending time together on travels and such and he respects him.

On a side note. Due to Roglič doing the same i said i will too achieve one hard goal this year, knowing i am capable of achieving and being on a todo list for years now. Well, it's February, Rogla not yet having a single race day in his legs and i already completed it. Gosh, i should have tried sooner!

P.S. Bob Jungels would like to support Rogla at the Tour.

 

[cen]

Only t-10 days for first appearance this year? LFG!

 

[Froome]

Only t-10 days for first appearance this year? LFG!

If Bora wins the TTT or is more faster than Quick Step, the next stages will be fun, specially in this forum.

 

[SHAD0W93]

If Bora wins the TTT or is more faster than Quick Step, the next stages will be fun, specially in this forum.

It would make spotting Roglic before the final 200 meter stomp easier.

 

[Froome]

It would make spotting Roglic before the final 200 meter stomp easier.

Roglic would ride in a comfortable way in the mountain stages because he will be in advantage, and Remco will have to attack.

 

[Oldermanish]

It's pretty easy actually, although it's true that we as fans don't have access to these insights since they don't post everything on strava. Freely available training software will track your ATL/CTL aka "fitness" and "fatigue" and even without trying amateurs will discover the long-term training load they can withstand as measured in TSS per day/week/month. You don't have to actually ride a GT to determine the long-term training load you can withstand.

You would need to ride a GT to understand 3 weeks of stressful racing. It's not just the actual race for the contenders; it's how they handle press relations, schedule demands post-race and just getting decent sleep moving from place to place every day. You could attempt to replicate that but racing does seem to be the best proving ground for potential.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Rogla actually hinted that in season 2024 he won't necessary go for the win in every stage race he enters. Focus being on optimal preparation for the Tour. Now the question i guess is on how plausible that actually is.

We'll see soon.

 

[Gargamel35]

Rogla actually hinted that in season 2024 he won't necessary go for the win in every stage race he enters. Focus being on optimal preparation for the Tour. Now the question i guess is on how plausible that actually is.

We'll see soon.

I think this year EVERYTHING is only preparation for Tour. It's all in. He'll try, win or loose and then move on to other races. He just needs one 100% attempt to put his mind at ease.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Rogla actually hinted that in season 2024 he won't necessary go for the win in every stage race he enters. Focus being on optimal preparation for the Tour. Now the question i guess is on how plausible that actually is.

We'll see soon.

Expect Rogla being fat in PN: "I only want to peak for the Tour so I took it easy and had some hamburger evenings with Remco" only to prepare a monster "ski-jumper weight" peak for the Tour demolishing Skeletor, Teddy and co.

 

[pablohidalgo7]

Maybe in a few days I will eat my words, but I can't imagine Roglic going to PN after being on Teide without the intention of winning, that the preparation is focused on the Tour (like other years like 2021 and 2022 by the way) does not mean that he is not going to try to win everything previously, we are talking about Roglic here...

 

[Berniece]

Maybe in a few days I will eat my words, but I can't imagine Roglic going to PN after being on Teide without the intention of winning, that the preparation is focused on the Tour (like other years like 2021 and 2022 in reality) does not mean that he is not going to try to win everything previously, we are talking about Roglic here...

It's Roglic, never believe anything he says in interviews. He wants you to underestimate him so he can stomp.

 

[AmRacer]

It's Roglic, never believe anything he says in interviews. He wants you to underestimate him so he can stomp.

Eh.

 

[Berniece]

Eh.

What's wrong with that I typed? He's known to keep his cards close to his chest

 

[CyclistAbi]

I think this year EVERYTHING is only preparation for Tour. It's all in. He'll try, win or loose and then move on to other races. He just needs one 100% attempt to put his mind at ease.

Maybe in a few days I will eat my words, but I can't imagine Roglic going to PN after being on Teide without the intention of winning, that the preparation is focused on the Tour (like other years like 2021 and 2022 by the way) does not mean that he is not going to try to win everything previously, we are talking about Roglic here...

It will indeed be interesting to see, on what his level will be at first stage race of the season. And on how the whole team responds.

Expect Rogla being fat in PN: "I only want to peak for the Tour so I took it easy and had some hamburger evenings with Remco" only to prepare a monster "ski-jumper weight" peak for the Tour demolishing Skeletor, Teddy and co.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85-IYCQDsVI


Rogla looks sharp as ever. One thing slightly to worry about is as he didn't drop two amateurs. Another thing to say is this might be the future of cycling, watching your favourite in high definition through some app. Hours and hours of it. Jeez.

It's Roglic, never believe anything he says in interviews. He wants you to underestimate him so he can stomp.

Like Remco saying i totally didn't see that one coming? Nah. Nothing personal, though, Jonas will get the same treatment. While we are at the stomp, likely on shorter stage races once or twice. At the Tour likely much much less, as better to focus on staying close till the final ITT.

While we wait i felt a bit nostalgic and took a trip down the memory lane:

Primoz Roglic 23 Giro - SRAM

Primoz Roglic won the 2023 Giro d'Italia with an incredible time trial on the penultimate stage, statching victory by 14 seconds over Geraint Thomas. Roglic rode a SRAM RED eTap AXS drivetrain.

www.sram.com