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Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

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@Rackham

Still, Rogla won't be mandated, to sit back and wait, when Visma will be setting Jonas up for an attack and when Jonas will be attacking ... So if Jonas is really that superior, to Rogla, then OK, nothing one can do about it. If not, then Jonas will get stomped. No big deal if you ask me.

Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives. There are no exceptions.
 
Could be but then again if you are telling me you don't have your Jonas freak on, i don't buy that either. All in all JV raced very similar having Rogla or Jonas as a leader. What was different is they launched Jonas a bit sooner up the climb. The rest was always about attrition in regards to competition.



So next time Visma can do that and Bora can set up Rogla for a stomp. I don't see on why should Bora be like look Rogla, go alone, if he prefers to stomp. Jonas and Visma can do whatever they prefer to do too. It's not like JV was prepared to use up Jonas any more, to further apply pressure, setting Rogla up for the stomp. Now, when Rogla is at Bora, Visma again could be prepared to do that. In the end that works for everyone.
I want anyone but Vingegaard to win every race he enters, so no I don’t have my “freak on” for him. I just see how great he rides and is better than the others at 100%. If you think the team rode similar for them when they were sole leaders then I don’t know what races you were watching. Visma made the race hard every single day from the start with Vingegaard, they rode a nice gentle tempo and rode hard at the final climb with Roglic. They’re not comparable.


Nor do I think Visma will ride like 2022 and 2023 if Vingegaard isn’t at 100% otherwise they run the risk of burning him out with his suboptimal prep. If they do ride like that, Roglic/Bora and everyone else is going to lose time from the repeated attrition Visma will cause.
 
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About sprints... I think it's pretty obvious right now Pogi has the better sprint on the flat. But when the road goes uphill I think Rogla has shown he is better than Pogačar. Although Pogi will still beat him in the future in some uphill sprints I'm sure.

Let's say on the flat it's Pogi 75:25.
Uphill sprint it's Rogla 60:40.
 
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About sprints... I think it's pretty obvious right now Pogi has the better sprint on the flat. But when the road goes uphill I think Rogla has shown he is better than Pogačar. Although Pogi will still beat him in the future in some uphill sprints I'm sure.

Let's say on the flat it's Pogi 75:25.
Uphill sprint it's Rogla 60:40.
I think depends on the distance Roglic launches the attack in a uphill sprint.
If he launches the attack on the uphill sprint at 500 m from the finish line, i don't believe Pogacar can beat him. If he launches the attack more later like in the last 100 m, Pogacar has more chances.
 
@Rackham

Still, Rogla won't be mandated, to sit back and wait, when Visma will be setting Jonas up for an attack and when Jonas will be attacking ... So if Jonas is really that superior, to Rogla, then OK, nothing one can do about it. If not, then Jonas will get stomped. No big deal if you ask me.

Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives. There are no exceptions.
Just like in the Tour, Vingegaard will not wait anymore for Roglic, like he waited on plateau de solaison.
 
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I want anyone but Vingegaard to win every race he enters, so no I don’t have my “freak on” for him. I just see how great he rides and is better than the others at 100%. If you think the team rode similar for them when they were sole leaders then I don’t know what races you were watching. Visma made the race hard every single day from the start with Vingegaard, they rode a nice gentle tempo and rode hard at the final climb with Roglic. They’re not comparable.


Nor do I think Visma will ride like 2022 and 2023 if Vingegaard isn’t at 100% otherwise they run the risk of burning him out with his suboptimal prep. If they do ride like that, Roglic/Bora and everyone else is going to lose time from the repeated attrition Visma will cause.
The question is - can Visma ride like 2022 and 2023. I don’t think this year they’ll have enough firepower.
 
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They will have more firepower than last year because Jorgenson is great, and probably WVA will be there.
We are not talking about climbing firepower here - though even Jorgenson will have to match Kuss from 2023 which won’t be a simple task. But when talking about attrition, we are talking making the race hard every day, especially on the flat. They need an army of top shape rolleurs, which I don’t think they’ll have…
 
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We are not talking about climbing firepower here - though even Jorgenson will have to match Kuss from 2023 which won’t be a simple task. But when talking about attrition, we are talking making the race hard every day, especially on the flat. They need an army of top shape rolleurs, which I don’t think they’ll have
That's it, and that's why i talked about Van aert who will be there and will probably play an important role on that area. Jorgenson can also do that very well, but probably he will be the third man in the mountains after Kuss.

They also will go with Van baarle, Benoot, Laporte or Tratnik. A lot of good rolleurs. Kruijswijk was also doing a good job already on Catalunya.

They will miss Van Hooydonck but for protect Vingegaard in the flat stages.
 
I'm a Rogla fan but i do think Vinge and Pog are better in full 3 week GT race. Everybody 100%, Rogla should be 3rd i think. But in cycling no one is always 100%. And there is this nagging feeling Rogla wasn't 100% for a very long time through a 3 week GT race. If he could get to a TdF with 100% preparation and gets through it 100% (no crashes, sickness,..) with full team support, he could challenge for the win. I think he can find something extra, that he wasn't able to until now because he constantly gets himself in trouble.

There are many if's here.

Of course if he gets to Tour 100% and gets destroyed quick, then he'll need to pick his battles going forward.
 
So here is my question. Is it ideal for roglic if Jonas does start the tour?

Would it mean Pogacar would try get early time in case he fades in the third week and Jonas rides into form? Which if roglic can mostly follow gets him time on Jonas, and then in the back end he can follow Jonas as he tries to gain time on fatigued Pogacar, the net result being he can lose some time to both but come out on top overall?
 
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So here is my question. Is it ideal for roglic if Jonas does start the tour?

Would it man Pogacar would try get early time in case he fades in the third week and Jonas rides into from? Which if roglic can mostly follow gets him time on Jonas, and then in the back end he can follow Jonas as he tries to gain time on fatigued Pogacar, the net result being he can lose some time to both but come out on top overall?

Whatever the possible scenarios (& lots can happen) I agree it's definitely best for Rog if Vineggaard starts the Tour. More the merrier. It's best if he isn't the sole focus of Pog, Evenepoel or the rest.

Meanwhile, he's now in Sierra Nevada for his May altitude camp:

View: https://www.instagram.com/p/C613lkUtOEx/?img_index=1
 
So here is my question. Is it ideal for roglic if Jonas does start the tour?

Would it man Pogacar would try get early time in case he fades in the third week and Jonas rides into from? Which if roglic can mostly follow gets him time on Jonas, and then in the back end he can follow Jonas as he tries to gain time on fatigued Pogacar, the net result being he can lose some time to both but come out on top overall?
Depends on Vingegaard’s form. If he and Visma are like the last two years no. If he’s weak then yes since he can latch onto his wheel on a flier attempt. Hopefully he rides like 2021 or 2023 Vuelta and doesn’t need Vlasov or Hindley to try a Kuss.

I hope everyone and their teams are in great form, it could lead to some great racing as long as everyone stays up.
 
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And because they rode way too defensively
I would guess the DS and team felt they honestly knew Roglic's limits and projected the hoped for TT results in long term strategy. They were wrong and the surprised looks on the face of WVA and other team members betrayed the miscalculation. 3 hard weeks of effort gone in seconds! Call it defensive riding but that's the benefit of hindsight, isn't it?
 
So here is my question. Is it ideal for roglic if Jonas does start the tour?

Would it mean Pogacar would try get early time in case he fades in the third week and Jonas rides into form? Which if roglic can mostly follow gets him time on Jonas, and then in the back end he can follow Jonas as he tries to gain time on fatigued Pogacar, the net result being he can lose some time to both but come out on top overall?

If all four would be in peak condition then the race dynamics would in my opinion be different. Now if only Rogla and Pogi will end up being close to their best form, then i expect Tour 2024 to be more of the aftermath of the Tour 2020 edition. The one we didn't get to see in 2021 (and 2022 and 2023). I assume Pogi will be more active at the beginning of the Tour and if any substantial differences won't be made, then further and further into the race, the better position Rogla will be in. And if Jonas will start the Tour then Vuelta field should likely be hampered by it too and hence bigger chance for a possible double.
 
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Roglič didn't do as bad of a TT as Pog did an incredible one.
Nah by expectations he was actually bad. He was basically seen as the best climber and best TTer in the race at that point, but his ITT rep was all from 2019 and before. He was the clear betting favorite to win the TT and he got 5th behind two of his own teammates and domestiques as well as Richie Porte as well

I think if he performed to expectations he would have lost the ITT but saved the Tour
 
Nah by expectations he was actually bad. He was basically seen as the best climber and best TTer in the race at that point, but his ITT rep was all from 2019 and before. He was the clear betting favorite to win the TT and he got 5th behind two of his own teammates and domestiques as well as Richie Porte as well

I think if he performed to expectations he would have lost the ITT but saved the Tour
Yes, at that point he was already established as equal if not better TTer as Dumoulin, not to mention he was in a better shape than him and much more motivated to get the results. At least 30 seconds faster than Dumoulin was the expected performance.