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[Red Rick]

Yeah I mean if this is his level at the Tour I wouldn't be surprised if there is some outsider who nails his shape and is straight up better than him.

IMO he looked pretty good on Collet d'Allevard. Clearly he wasn't even at the level today he was as 2 days before. So IMO either they got the prep wrong today with I dunno feeding strategy or thermoregulation or whatever or it's still just consequences from the crashes.

On stage 3 he stayed seated and didn't sprint. Now ofcourse Gee winning that sprint looks different now but he was in the 5th wheel and then never got out of the saddle to finish 10th some 3 seconds down, I think that was the shoulder already.

 

[Filippo_3467]

All in all it was a pretty hard preparation week for Roglic. Crashing two times...very lucky that this hasn't ended his Tour already. I think formwise he wasn't quite there which was already hinted at in the TT. But then Allevard was really strong compared to my expectations. He looked there like he could have gone even faster with a classic stomp at the end. The the day after that was already weaker and today a lot of problems.

Pogi is the clear favourite for the Tour and Roglic is like Evenepoel a clear udnerdog. The only one who can beat a not crashing Pogi in his best shape is an in form Vingegaard. That was clear before the Dauphine and it's true today. Dependening on the Level of Pogi and Vingegaard it could be a very exciting Tour. I like the course with mountains sprinkled all the way through. The first stage could be already carnage. Also good TTs which could help Remco. I think also the real outsiders like Rodriguez and Jorgensen look good. maybe even a Carapaz or Bernal could get in fine form.

So expectations for Roglic is in my view a hard battle for a podium. But if the level isn't there with Pogi it could be the most open field since 2019. Wouldn't bet on it but at least there is some hope that the 2nd GT could get to Tadej in the 2nd or 3rd week.

 

[hfer07]

Not sure yet. They found fluid in his shoulder and it's bothering him a lot.

Yep,
that's the detail many here are dismissing when commenting on his "not so good" performance. Roglic was clearly bothered by it over the last 3 stages, so he better take care of that first before tunning up for Le Tour in the next 3 weeks...

 

[Oldermanish]

I hope Roglic will improve towards the Tour; at this moment he is the only realistic competition for pogacar: Vingegaard is very unsure, Remco’s climbing pedigree is not enough and all others either lack climbing or a tt.

It's probable all of the contenders from Dauphine will improve. It'll take several of them to beat the best Tadej and that's possible. Remco will be a wild card at his best form if it comes early enough to surprise UAE.
That's his route to a top ten in GC. Primoz knows well what he is up against and will disappoint everyone that expects a 50km drag race of power. That won't happen unless the two of them are left in a break and as UAE has the strength to accompany the contenders it's equally unlikely. It'll be different than the Giro.

 

[Rackham]

Jumbo's mouthpiece aka Thijs Zonneveld with some very salty tears:

Thijs Zonneveld kritisch op Roglic na prestatie in Dauphiné: "Verbijsterend matig"

Het Critérium du Dauphiné kent een winnaar: Primoz Roglic. De Sloveen kreeg het op de laatste dag nog lastig, maar behield nipt zijn voorsprong in het algemeen klassement. Een goede generale repetitie of toch reden tot twijfel? Voor Thijs Zonneveld geldt het laatste. In de podcast In Het Wiel...

www.wielerflits.nl

"This was mind-bogglingly mediocre, actually. He didn't just have to let Jorgenson go, either. But five riders, and not the biggest ones either. What does it say? He seems to have the same problem as last year in the Giro. When things get really tough, he also showed weaknesses then."

What could be the cause of this 'mediocre' performance? Zonneveld speculates about the new BORA-hansgrohe team: "Maybe it also says that he is not recovering well. His condition didn't improve in the Dauphiné. Quite the opposite. He won, but I wouldn't take much confidence from this with a view to the Tour de France."

 

[Alien Performance]

The postman doesn't work to impress you. The postman doesn't deviate from his usual path just to excite you. The postman doesn't care at what time he arrives even if he's a bit late (+0:48). All the postman ever wants to do is to deliver and today that's what he did. Nothing more and nothing less.

I'm going to print this and hang it up in my house

 

[Berniece]

Jumbo's mouthpiece aka Thijs Zonneveld with some very salty tears:

Thijs Zonneveld kritisch op Roglic na prestatie in Dauphiné: "Verbijsterend matig"

Het Critérium du Dauphiné kent een winnaar: Primoz Roglic. De Sloveen kreeg het op de laatste dag nog lastig, maar behield nipt zijn voorsprong in het algemeen klassement. Een goede generale repetitie of toch reden tot twijfel? Voor Thijs Zonneveld geldt het laatste. In de podcast In Het Wiel...

www.wielerflits.nl

What's wrong about what he said? Did Roglic's showing made you confident in a TDF victory? How was this not a mediocre performance for someone that wants to win the TDF.

 

[Rackham]

What's wrong about what he said? Did Roglic's showing made you confident in a TDF victory? How was this not a mediocre performance for someone that wants to win the TDF.

Because it's salty as hell.

Saying Roglič isn't favorite to beat Pog is not breaking news. Everyone was saying it already. But when Mr. "Cian Uijtdebroeks is bullied by Bora" Thijs Zonneveld drops the hammer on Rog & starts spilling his bilge, you just know yesterday was a bitter disappointment. He even goes further & suggests Evenepoel's performance wasn't as concerning. I mean... lol?

The press are just story tellers accompanying the sport anyway. Their words are so utterly meaningless, i.e. a rider who wins & dominates = articles along the lines of "he's going to challenge", then when a rider suffers there are obligatory articles about how bad he is.

But Zonneveld should know better here considering A/crashes impacted Rog & B/his point about last year's Giro answers itself... because Rog eventually did demolish the final ITT & win GC.

So if there's one rider who can have a bad day, get dropped & then still win races afterwards, it's Rogla. Now I'm not saying he'll win the Tour but come on now, i.e. winning tight races after getting dropped is just the way he is.

 

[Gargamel35]

What's wrong about what he said? Did Roglic's showing made you confident in a TDF victory? How was this not a mediocre performance for someone that wants to win the TDF.

Who says he wants to win or that he WILL win? All he ever said is he wants to race it as nr. 1 in his team. He didn't have that chance in Jumbo so he left. Everything else is in the minds of fans and haters everywhere. Grow up.
He wants a shot. He'll get it. He's his own biggest enemy with all the crashing and he's getting old. Despite all that, he's still one of the best stage racers in the business and he still managed to beat all competition in Dauphine. At 34 and with two crashes that effected him a lot, since he's getting more check ups as we speak.

I'm sorry he and Pog are Slovenians and foreign press can't handle them, because they beat Dutch/Belgium prima donnas all year around.

 

[Rackham]

BTW I also have my own theories re yesterday, i.e. firstly I think he overdressed (he had an undershirt on) so he cooked a little out there (the reverse mistake of Paris-Nice 2024, basically... yet the same mistake as he made in Paris-Nice 2022 ironically) & the fact the entire Bora team exploded tells me it's the preparation so far which means they don't yet have the stamina levels on point.

The level he showed on Friday was fine. He just needs to be able to repeat that for 3 weeks. That's the challenge.

 

[Berniece]

Because it's salty as hell.

Saying Roglič isn't favorite to beat Pog is not breaking news. Everyone was saying it already. But when Mr. "Cian Uijtdebroeks is bullied by Bora" Thijs Zonneveld drops the hammer on Rog & starts spilling his bilge, you just know yesterday was a bitter disappointment. He even goes further & suggests Evenepoel's performance wasn't as concerning. I mean... lol?

The press are just story tellers accompanying the sport anyway. Their words are so utterly meaningless, i.e. a rider who wins & dominates = articles along the lines of "he's going to challenge", then when a rider suffers there are obligatory articles about how bad he is.

But Zonneveld should know better here considering A/crashes impacted Rog & B/his point about last year's Giro answers itself... because Rog eventually did demolish the final ITT & win GC.

So if there's one rider who can have a bad day, get dropped & then still win races afterwards, it's Rogla. Now I'm not saying he'll win the Tour but come on now, i.e. winning tight races after getting dropped is just the way he is.

So no actual reason why this isn't a mediocre performance. You are the one that seems salty.

 

[Rackham]

So no actual reason why this isn't a mediocre performance. You are the one that seems salty.

Well, personally speaking I'd sign right here & now for a boatload of 'mediocre Rogla performances'... with a GC win at the end of all of them!

It sounds perfect tbh.

 

[Berniece]

Well, personally speaking I'd sign right here & now for a boatload of 'mediocre Rogla performances'... with a GC win at the end of all of them!

It sounds perfect tbh.

And the point of the journalist was that if he really wanted to go for a TDF win, that this performance is mediocre compared to that goal. That he's far away of being able to reach it.

 

[Gargamel35]

And the point of the journalist was that if he really wanted to go for a TDF win, that this performance is mediocre compared to that goal. That he's far away of being able to reach it.

He's far away to reach it anyway, even if he would get to TdF without crashes and very good preparation. That's no news to anyone except press that needs to write something (stupid). As i said, he wanted to go to TdF. Not to win but to try and do his best. If stars align and he wins...fantastic. If not, he rode on the biggest stage and at least fought for it. He's old, injured and not in best shape of his life. Yet he still won 8 day race in Dauphine. Not so bad, eh? I mean, if this is the guy that wins, all the others behind him should just pack their bags, take a nice vacation and try Vuelta ? No, they'll be back and do their best again. It's not their fault if they ride in an alien era of Pog and Vinge.

 

[Peyroteo94]

He's far away to reach it anyway, even if he would get to TdF without crashes and very good preparation. That's no news to anyone except press that needs to write something (stupid). As i said, he wanted to go to TdF. Not to win but to try and do his best. If stars align and he wins...fantastic. If not, he rode on the biggest stage and at least fought for it. He's old, injured and not in best shape of his life. Yet he still won 8 day race in Dauphine. Not so bad, eh? I mean, if this is the guy that wins, all the others behind him should just pack their bags, take a nice vacation and try Vuelta ? No, they'll be back and do their best again. It's not their fault if they ride in an alien era of Pog and Vinge.

Great post. I think Roglic will not win the Tour but at least he will try, this wouldn't happen if he stayed in Visma. He is almost 35 years old and he can win the Tour under right circunstances, Pogi will have the Giro in his legs, can crash out, something wrong can happen. Pogi never did 2 GT's in a year and he is trying to win the hardest double so Roglic has a small chance. Vingegaard is probably far from his peak shape and Roglic can take advantage of that. Let the guy dream! Nibali won a Tour when Froome and Contador crashed out!

 

[danielovichdk2]

Good he is having some fun. He won't have any in the coming season. He will not win another grand tour.

Fair has to be fair. He won. Barely. But he won.

Claiming he can win tdf from here on out is obviously not happening.

 

[Berniece]

He's far away to reach it anyway, even if he would get to TdF without crashes and very good preparation. That's no news to anyone except press that needs to write something (stupid). As i said, he wanted to go to TdF. Not to win but to try and do his best. If stars align and he wins...fantastic. If not, he rode on the biggest stage and at least fought for it. He's old, injured and not in best shape of his life. Yet he still won 8 day race in Dauphine. Not so bad, eh? I mean, if this is the guy that wins, all the others behind him should just pack their bags, take a nice vacation and try Vuelta ? No, they'll be back and do their best again. It's not their fault if they ride in an alien era of Pog and Vinge.

This is not why Bora paid 5M

 

[Froome]

He's far away to reach it anyway, even if he would get to TdF without crashes and very good preparation. That's no news to anyone except press that needs to write something (stupid). As i said, he wanted to go to TdF. Not to win but to try and do his best. If stars align and he wins...fantastic. If not, he rode on the biggest stage and at least fought for it. He's old, injured and not in best shape of his life. Yet he still won 8 day race in Dauphine. Not so bad, eh? I mean, if this is the guy that wins, all the others behind him should just pack their bags, take a nice vacation and try Vuelta ? No, they'll be back and do their best again. It's not their fault if they ride in an alien era of Pog and Vinge.

Maybe he could be injured, but i don't believe he is old yet, or affected by the age. He started later in cycling at the highest level, after ski jumping.

Besides that, we already saw lately riders like Thomas with 36 years, being in the shape of they're lifes.

 

[Blanco]

And the point of the journalist was that if he really wanted to go for a TDF win, that this performance is mediocre compared to that goal. That he's far away of being able to reach it.

That journalist seriously lacks objectivity, and very possible is on Plugge's payroll.
His performance certainly is far from spectacular, but I wouldn't, under no circuimstances, call a Dauphine win mediocre.

 

[Red Rick]

Zondeveld ia just blowing with the wind and stirring *** like usual

 

[Gargamel35]

This is not why Bora paid 5M

That is their problem. If they paid him to WIN TdF, someone has been smoking good stuff there. I don't think they paid him to win. They paid him to compete and because he's still relevant, exposure will be huge (win or loose at the end).

 

[Gargamel35]

Maybe he could be injured, but i don't believe he is old yet, or affected by the age. He started later in cycling at the highest level, after ski jumping.

Besides that, we already saw lately riders like Thomas with 36 years, being in the shape of they're lifes.

I think age is relevant here. Mostly for his recuperation after hard stage. Pog and Vinge can basically go every day, their recuperation is fantastic (alien yes, but age has something to do with it). Roglič can go one day, maybe two, but three in a row or at the end of a long GT? I don't think he can.

 

[Rackham]

I think age is relevant here. Mostly for his recuperation after hard stage. Pog and Vinge can basically go every day, their recuperation is fantastic (alien yes, but age has something to do with it). Roglič can go one day, maybe two, but three in a row or at the end of a long GT? I don't think he can.

Roglič is an atypical athlete.

Some day he'll be past his best. It's inevitable. But, there's a lot going on under the surface which makes any snap judgement or analysis of his form based on a stage like yesterday's extremely difficult. Even looking at this from a neutral standpoint, we've seen this rider crack way too many times over the past 5 years to definitively say 'this is it, he's now cooked'.

Quite a few examples have been thrown around (Vuelta 2020, Giro 2023, Paris-Nice etc.), i.e. another one is the Vuelta 2022. After winning stage 4 in Laguardia he seemed... fine. But he really wasn't & he cracked badly in the mountains. But even then his cracks were 'uneven', i.e. stage 6 he cracked, stage 8 he held Evenepoel's wheel, then stage 9 he cracked again.

Then on stage 14 he dropped Evenepoel & put big time into him, i.e. which made people think he could do the same on Sierra Nevada... but he didn't. He actually got dropped by Mas & 'only' put 15 seconds into Evenepoel at the end of the climb.

The only thing I'm quite certain of is when Roglič is not at 100% (for whatever reasons), his form fluctuates wildly & becomes sensitive to a lot of factors.

So clearly he wasn't at 100% in the Dauphiné.

 

[Bolder]

This is not why Bora paid 5M

It seems like a lot but if at the end of the year they get a Dauphine and one or two GT podiums, including the Tour, that's a great way to kick off the Red Bull era. It's risky, though, given his, um, crashiness..

Bottom line is that he's still the third best GC rider, and they don't come cheap.

 

[Berniece]

His performance certainly is far from spectacular, but I wouldn't, under no circuimstances, call a Dauphine win mediocre.

I would call it mediocre if the intention is to win TDF. But apparently that's not the case anymore so sure, for a TDF top-5 this is manageable.