Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

[Rackham]

I would call it mediocre if the intention is to win TDF. But apparently that's not the case anymore so sure, for a TDF top-5 this is manageable.

Rog is second favorite for the Tour.

Until Visma show me the receipts regarding Vingegaard's recovery, I don't see who else should be behind Pog in the hierarchy of favorites.

It seems to me like everything every rider suffers from when returning from a bad crash (as we saw with Evenepoel & Roglič in the Dauphiné) gets completely overlooked when it comes to Vingegaard & people somehow imagine he'll be at his best for 3 weeks in July.

I'm in no way convinced.

 

[cellardoor]

the fact the entire Bora team exploded tells me it's the preparation so far which means they don't yet have the stamina levels on point.

This would be pretty worrying if true. The whole team having an issue with stamina doesn't seem like the kind of thing that can be fixed in a couple of weeks.

 

[Rackham]

This would be pretty worrying if true. The whole team having an issue with stamina doesn't seem like the kind of thing that can be fixed in a couple of weeks.

Everyone has their way of 'guessing' what's going on with riders behind the scenes & looking for some explanations (like the weight conversation about a certain rider in another thread).

I tend to look at the demeanour of the guys on & off the bike & how they look. In that respect Rog & his Bora teammates... seemed more than happy yesterday.

So I won't panic either.

 

[SHAD0W93]

I think it’d help if there was a rider on Bora to take the Kuss role of being there when/if the bad stage occurs in order to limit the damage. If he had Kuss (at his usual level) instead of on his own Roglic finishes closer to Matteo. Vlasov or Hindley might have to fill that role and potentially give up their GC ambition.

I forget who but someone brought it up over the winter as well, who is going to replace Kuss.

 

[Gigs_98]

I think it’d help if there was a rider on Bora to take the Kuss role of being there when/if the bad stage occurs in order to limit the damage. If he had Kuss (at his usual level) instead of on his own Roglic finishes closer to Matteo. Vlasov or Hindley might have to fill that role and potentially give up their GC ambition.

I forget who but someone brought it up over the winter as well, who is going to replace Kuss.

I mean you already gave the answer, didn't you? Vlasov and Hindley are supposed to take that role and I honestly don't think that's a downgrade compared to Kuss.

 

[Red Rick]

I mean you already gave the answer, didn't you? Vlasov and Hindley are supposed to take that role and I honestly don't think that's a downgrade compared to Kuss.

Meanwhile I wonder where the Zonneveld column on Kuss is

 

[SHAD0W93]

I mean you already gave the answer, didn't you? Vlasov and Hindley are supposed to take that role and I honestly don't think that's a downgrade compared to Kuss.

Yet neither were there on Sunday. That’s the point, and both have potential GC ambitions, Kuss never had that bar 2023 Vuelta. I think starting they’re better off being as high on GC as possible in order to attack and force UAE to work more.

 

[Oldermanish]

That journalist seriously lacks objectivity, and very possible is on Plugge's payroll.
His performance certainly is far from spectacular, but I wouldn't, under no circuimstances, call a Dauphine win mediocre.

Particularly so after two crashes. Anyone ignoring that could kindly show me their personal training results for the consecutive days following their own 50kph pavement surf. Most riders that were scuffed up less than Primoz packed their bags.

 

[bill1109]

readers and couch potatoes get desensitized to things like falling at high speed on a shoulder that needed operation. its ok, its normal. and they think that he should be riding in a top fashion after that crash. roglic...not rogla....does not make a big focus on injuries, but they are still there and those that watch can see. people on forums complain how much eurosport announcers bother them...can you imagine how much they would complain after a fall onto a bad shoulder? but yet they expect a hero performance. do i think he can win against pog? no i do not. but he will give his best

 

[Monte Serra]

Jumbo's mouthpiece aka Thijs Zonneveld with some very salty tears:

Thijs Zonneveld kritisch op Roglic na prestatie in Dauphiné: "Verbijsterend matig"

Het Critérium du Dauphiné kent een winnaar: Primoz Roglic. De Sloveen kreeg het op de laatste dag nog lastig, maar behield nipt zijn voorsprong in het algemeen klassement. Een goede generale repetitie of toch reden tot twijfel? Voor Thijs Zonneveld geldt het laatste. In de podcast In Het Wiel...

www.wielerflits.nl

To underline the fact that Mr. Zonneveld babbles a lot without necessarily sticking to the fact, it's interesting to sample the latest episode. In which he states:

- Skjelmose will probably be Lidl's GC leader at the Tour [wrong, he won't ride the Tour and will focus on the Vuelta]
- Bora will bring Meeus to the Tour and won't have a full team dedicated to Roglič [wrong, Bora will have team fully dedicated to GC]
- The next UCI promotion-relegation cycle will be decided at the end of the 2026 season [wrong, it's at the end of the 2025 season]

https://omny.fm/shows/in-het-wiel/radio-ihw-beim-diesj-hrigen-tour-de-suisse

 

[Filippo_3467]

This would be pretty worrying if true. The whole team having an issue with stamina doesn't seem like the kind of thing that can be fixed in a couple of weeks.

Roglic and Vlasov finished both in the stage Top 10 with under a minute back on a hard climb. i don't know what explode is in your book but yeah explode looks different in cycling. See Remco Vuelta e.g.

 

[Sciatic]

This is not why Bora paid 5M

To win races and stages you mean?

 

[Berniece]

To win races and stages you mean?

You can win races and stages for less money. They paid that to win the TDF.

 

[Faserr]

You can win races and stages for less money. They paid that to win the TDF.

No. They are not stupid.

 

[MLKarlos]

He needs to go to extra shoulder examination tomorrow. It was a hard crash.

Really? Where have read this? Would like to read the article as well, thank you

 

[Berniece]

No. They are not stupid.

They are if they paid 5M to win races and stages. They could've paid a lot less for someone else that does the same

 

[johnymax]

They are if they paid 5M to win races and stages. They could've paid a lot less for someone else that does the same

There's noone that does the same. Pogačar is the only comparable in the last 5 years. Maybe Vingegaard in the last year and that's it.

 

[Berniece]

There's noone that does the same. Pogačar is the only comparable in the last 5 years. Maybe Vingegaard in the last year and that's it.

That does what? He needs to be judged based on since he was taken over from Jumbo. And his season clearly isn't as good as he used to have.

 

[AmRacer]

That does what? He needs to be judged based on since he was taken over from Jumbo. And his season clearly isn't as good as he used to have.

Because of the crash.

 

[Sciatic]

You can win races and stages for less money. They paid that to win the TDF.

I believe they were well aware he wasn’t likely to beat a top-end Pogacar or Vingegaard at the Tour, so their investment was based on wider range of return.

 

[johnymax]

That does what? He needs to be judged based on since he was taken over from Jumbo. And his season clearly isn't as good as he used to have.

As a GC rider in WT races only Pogačar has done better than Roglič this year. Despite the crash and DNF in Itzulia, Rogla still has 1 GC win and three stage wins. Like I said better than any other rider not named Pogačar.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Funny, Bora had never won the Dauphine (most prestigious weeklong stage race), they hired Roglic, first attempt - victory.

 

[Gargamel35]

I believe they were well aware he wasn’t likely to beat a top-end Pogacar or Vingegaard at the Tour, so their investment was based on wider range of return.

Berniece keeps the same [deleted] agenda all the time. Bora paid 5M to Roglič for winning TdF. Which is completely wrong.

They are not idiots. They paid to have a shot at fighting for TdF win. They didn't have that before. There was no better GC racer available. The better two stayed in their teams.
It's exposure that brings money. It's Red Bull that brings money. It's being in the top 4 talk that brings money.

More than enough for punny 5M a year.
Oh, and R. already brought them a very nice stage race win to go with it.

 

[SHAD0W93]

As a GC rider in WT races only Pogačar has done better than Roglič this year. Despite the crash and DNF in Itzulia, Rogla still has 1 GC win and three stage wins. Like I said better than any other rider not named Pogačar.

That’s arguable and depends on how you measure it.
Roglic; 10th, 1st, and 3 stage wins in 3 WT stage races with 1 crash out,
Rodriquez; 2nd, 1st, 4th, and 2 stage wins in 4 WT stage races,
Vingegaard; 1st and 2 stage wins in 2 WT stage races with 1 crash out,
Ayuso; 2nd, 1st, and 5th in 4 WT stage races with 1 crash out,
Jorgenson; 1st and 2nd in 2 WT stage races.

All very similar. Off the top of my head most might have more UCI and PCS points due to better placings.

 

[Sciatic]

Berniece keeps the same [content deleted] agenda all the time. Bora paid 5M to Roglič for winning TdF. Which is completely wrong.

They are not idiots. They paid to have a shot at fighting for TdF win. They didn't have that before. There was no better GC racer available. The better two stayed in their teams.
It's exposure that brings money. It's Red Bull that brings money. It's being in the top 4 talk that brings money.

More than enough for punny 5M a year.
Oh, and R. already brought them a very nice stage race win to go with it.

Yeah, owners or managers of sports teams, like you’re saying, are of course going play up a big new acquisition and say it is about winning it all, or the current fav phrase “getting to the next level.” They’re boosting interest in their team (and thus attention to their sponsor), higher visibility in the biggest races, and also justifying their purchase to their sponsors.