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He's far away to reach it anyway, even if he would get to TdF without crashes and very good preparation. That's no news to anyone except press that needs to write something (stupid). As i said, he wanted to go to TdF. Not to win but to try and do his best. If stars align and he wins...fantastic. If not, he rode on the biggest stage and at least fought for it. He's old, injured and not in best shape of his life. Yet he still won 8 day race in Dauphine. Not so bad, eh? I mean, if this is the guy that wins, all the others behind him should just pack their bags, take a nice vacation and try Vuelta ? No, they'll be back and do their best again. It's not their fault if they ride in an alien era of Pog and Vinge.
Maybe he could be injured, but i don't believe he is old yet, or affected by the age. He started later in cycling at the highest level, after ski jumping.

Besides that, we already saw lately riders like Thomas with 36 years, being in the shape of they're lifes.
 
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And the point of the journalist was that if he really wanted to go for a TDF win, that this performance is mediocre compared to that goal. That he's far away of being able to reach it.
That journalist seriously lacks objectivity, and very possible is on Plugge's payroll.
His performance certainly is far from spectacular, but I wouldn't, under no circuimstances, call a Dauphine win mediocre.
 
Maybe he could be injured, but i don't believe he is old yet, or affected by the age. He started later in cycling at the highest level, after ski jumping.

Besides that, we already saw lately riders like Thomas with 36 years, being in the shape of they're lifes.
I think age is relevant here. Mostly for his recuperation after hard stage. Pog and Vinge can basically go every day, their recuperation is fantastic (alien yes, but age has something to do with it). Roglič can go one day, maybe two, but three in a row or at the end of a long GT? I don't think he can.
 
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I think age is relevant here. Mostly for his recuperation after hard stage. Pog and Vinge can basically go every day, their recuperation is fantastic (alien yes, but age has something to do with it). Roglič can go one day, maybe two, but three in a row or at the end of a long GT? I don't think he can.

Roglič is an atypical athlete.

Some day he'll be past his best. It's inevitable. But, there's a lot going on under the surface which makes any snap judgement or analysis of his form based on a stage like yesterday's extremely difficult. Even looking at this from a neutral standpoint, we've seen this rider crack way too many times over the past 5 years to definitively say 'this is it, he's now cooked'.

Quite a few examples have been thrown around (Vuelta 2020, Giro 2023, Paris-Nice etc.), i.e. another one is the Vuelta 2022. After winning stage 4 in Laguardia he seemed... fine. But he really wasn't & he cracked badly in the mountains. But even then his cracks were 'uneven', i.e. stage 6 he cracked, stage 8 he held Evenepoel's wheel, then stage 9 he cracked again.

Then on stage 14 he dropped Evenepoel & put big time into him, i.e. which made people think he could do the same on Sierra Nevada... but he didn't. He actually got dropped by Mas & 'only' put 15 seconds into Evenepoel at the end of the climb.

The only thing I'm quite certain of is when Roglič is not at 100% (for whatever reasons), his form fluctuates wildly & becomes sensitive to a lot of factors.

So clearly he wasn't at 100% in the Dauphiné.
 
I would call it mediocre if the intention is to win TDF. But apparently that's not the case anymore so sure, for a TDF top-5 this is manageable.

Rog is second favorite for the Tour.

Until Visma show me the receipts regarding Vingegaard's recovery, I don't see who else should be behind Pog in the hierarchy of favorites.

It seems to me like everything every rider suffers from when returning from a bad crash (as we saw with Evenepoel & Roglič in the Dauphiné) gets completely overlooked when it comes to Vingegaard & people somehow imagine he'll be at his best for 3 weeks in July.

I'm in no way convinced.
 
This would be pretty worrying if true. The whole team having an issue with stamina doesn't seem like the kind of thing that can be fixed in a couple of weeks.

Everyone has their way of 'guessing' what's going on with riders behind the scenes & looking for some explanations (like the weight conversation about a certain rider in another thread).

I tend to look at the demeanour of the guys on & off the bike & how they look. In that respect Rog & his Bora teammates... seemed more than happy yesterday.

So I won't panic either.
 
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I think it’d help if there was a rider on Bora to take the Kuss role of being there when/if the bad stage occurs in order to limit the damage. If he had Kuss (at his usual level) instead of on his own Roglic finishes closer to Matteo. Vlasov or Hindley might have to fill that role and potentially give up their GC ambition.

I forget who but someone brought it up over the winter as well, who is going to replace Kuss.
 
I think it’d help if there was a rider on Bora to take the Kuss role of being there when/if the bad stage occurs in order to limit the damage. If he had Kuss (at his usual level) instead of on his own Roglic finishes closer to Matteo. Vlasov or Hindley might have to fill that role and potentially give up their GC ambition.

I forget who but someone brought it up over the winter as well, who is going to replace Kuss.
I mean you already gave the answer, didn't you? Vlasov and Hindley are supposed to take that role and I honestly don't think that's a downgrade compared to Kuss.
 
I mean you already gave the answer, didn't you? Vlasov and Hindley are supposed to take that role and I honestly don't think that's a downgrade compared to Kuss.
Yet neither were there on Sunday. That’s the point, and both have potential GC ambitions, Kuss never had that bar 2023 Vuelta. I think starting they’re better off being as high on GC as possible in order to attack and force UAE to work more.
 
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That journalist seriously lacks objectivity, and very possible is on Plugge's payroll.
His performance certainly is far from spectacular, but I wouldn't, under no circuimstances, call a Dauphine win mediocre.
Particularly so after two crashes. Anyone ignoring that could kindly show me their personal training results for the consecutive days following their own 50kph pavement surf. Most riders that were scuffed up less than Primoz packed their bags.
 
readers and couch potatoes get desensitized to things like falling at high speed on a shoulder that needed operation. its ok, its normal. and they think that he should be riding in a top fashion after that crash. roglic...not rogla....does not make a big focus on injuries, but they are still there and those that watch can see. people on forums complain how much eurosport announcers bother them...can you imagine how much they would complain after a fall onto a bad shoulder? but yet they expect a hero performance. do i think he can win against pog? no i do not. but he will give his best
 
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Jumbo's mouthpiece aka Thijs Zonneveld with some very salty tears:

To underline the fact that Mr. Zonneveld babbles a lot without necessarily sticking to the fact, it's interesting to sample the latest episode. In which he states:

- Skjelmose will probably be Lidl's GC leader at the Tour [wrong, he won't ride the Tour and will focus on the Vuelta]
- Bora will bring Meeus to the Tour and won't have a full team dedicated to Roglič [wrong, Bora will have team fully dedicated to GC]
- The next UCI promotion-relegation cycle will be decided at the end of the 2026 season [wrong, it's at the end of the 2025 season]

https://omny.fm/shows/in-het-wiel/radio-ihw-beim-diesj-hrigen-tour-de-suisse
 
This would be pretty worrying if true. The whole team having an issue with stamina doesn't seem like the kind of thing that can be fixed in a couple of weeks.
Roglic and Vlasov finished both in the stage Top 10 with under a minute back on a hard climb. i don't know what explode is in your book but yeah explode looks different in cycling. See Remco Vuelta e.g.
 
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