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You continue to embarrass yourself. McEwen would not have a job if he was sinking the beers before his commentary and TNT must rate him if they fly him over from Australia to cover the Giro and the TDF from London.

Lets see if you can find the actual comments where McEwan allegedly insulted Roglic, because when I listened to the TNT commentary, I can't remember any commentary that suggested this happened.

I am happy to discuss riders/teams/tactics etc and of course sometimes I'll have a different opinion. But I dont need to call people names and the like.
Are you telling me Carlton Kirby is actually sober? Holy ***
 
Excuse me if this is a bot (I refuse to use an inaccurate acrony) post. It's also old. But youtube wanted me to watch it so I did. What's the source?

I'll happily delete the post if it's crazy.

View: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/SoMUF6q_vrs
His coach did an interview before the Giro. One of the things he said was he trains better on altitude camps than at home because at home he's occupied with being a dad.
 
I believe that he will continue. If he had been so badly injured then the team wouldn't have been so surprised that he had problems yesterday.

The whole team was there for him. You don't just drop out when there's still hope that a good result is possible or maybe a stage win. He has to show respect to his colleagues.

Of course if he is ill or seriously injured he should go out. Otherwise he can still help the team.
Agreed, I share this view. He lost some time but didn’t feel like a disaster, I think it looked like the kind of bad day which caught up to him mid race rather than where he felt horrible taking the start.

If he’s no good tomorrow, depending on how it goes, assess. I could easily see him in the main group at the end, not winning, but in it, just as easily as I could see him shell 5 mins.
 
Might be time to make a bet if you believe Roglic finishes the race. These number suggest to me that the betting public thinks he won't.

Current odds for Giro
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33 to 1 to win
8 to 1 to podium
5/4 for a top 10 (i.e. ~44% probability he finishes in top 10)
 
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It's an interesting article but something worth noting here is that sport - pro-cycling in particular - is extremely brutal. Rog due to his position and qualities carries a lot of responsibility on his shoulders, namely to his sponsors. It's a cutthroat business in which sentiment rarely exists inside the bubble. And yes, over the years Rog has defeated numerous cyclists who all had their own little stories and dramas.

The bottom line is very few cyclists are afforded the luxury of riding around on their own terms or going out in a manner of their choosing. It's ugly when disaster happens. It was ugly when Rog DNF'd the Tour last year and certain issues within the team were simmering beneath the surface (this was pretty much confirmed when Denk spoke of overcoming these relationship problems later in the Vuelta).

It means there's no easy way for this Giro crash to happen on a soft landing, i.e. Red Bull Bora have been a total disaster this season. The results are terrible outside of everything Rog and to a lesser degree Lipowitz have done and now here they are putting all their eggs in the Rog basket in this Giro and it's gone kaput.

As fans we'd like the athlete to be afforded all the time and space to deal with this but who are we kidding? If he gets dropped today at any point the team car will get on the radio and send a "all in on Pellizzari" message to the rest of them. They'd also most likely revaluate the Tour selection and add a sprinter. Not someone who can beat the best in the world (they don't have one), but someone who can collect those almighty 5th place UCI stage points whilst Rog fights alone for position 40 in the bunch going into the final 3k of a sprint stage. They'll also start flirting with Evenepoel again for next season and maybe even try their luck with one of the UAE boys. And just to add icing onto the whole shebang, I doubt we'll hear any sort of self-reflection about 'why' Rog was even alone on the gravel stage when the crash happened.

Bottom line, pro-cycling has a sort of live by the sword, die by the sword unwritten rule that we as fans (or fans of any particular rider) can't influence. It means Bora wanted Rog to win this Giro and they'll be bitterly disappointed when he doesn't. That's the worst part tbh. Unlike individual sports, cycling remains a team sport in which the individual wins. There's a difference. And his team won't be as gracious towards his lack of victory here as his fans are.

Personally speaking if I was in a sort of "let's go back in time and try something different" approach here, I'd like to have seen what could have happened had he signed for Lidl-Trek instead of Bora.
 
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It's an interesting article but something worth noting here is that sport - pro-cycling in particular - is extremely brutal. Rog due to his position and qualities carries a lot of responsibility on his shoulders, namely to his sponsors. It's a cutthroat business in which sentiment rarely exists inside the bubble. And yes, over the years Rog has defeated numerous cyclists who all had their own little stories and dramas.

The bottom line is very few cyclists are afforded the luxury of riding around on their own terms or going out in a manner of their choosing. It's ugly when disaster happens. It was ugly when Rog DNF'd the Tour last year and certain issues within the team were simmering beneath the surface (this was pretty much confirmed when Denk spoke of overcoming these relationship problems later in the Vuelta).

It means there's no easy way for this Giro crash to happen on a soft landing, i.e. Red Bull Bora have been a total disaster this season. The results are terrible outside of everything Rog and to a lesser degree Lipowitz have done and now here they are putting all their eggs in the Rog basket in this Giro and it's gone kaput.

As fans we'd like the athlete to be afforded all the time and space to deal with this but who are we kidding? If he gets dropped today at any point the team car will get on the radio and send a "all in on Pellizzari" message to the rest of them. They'd also most likely revaluate the Tour selection and add a sprinter. Not someone who can beat the best in the world (they don't have one), but someone who can collect those almighty 5th place UCI stage points whilst Rog fights alone for position 40 in the bunch going into the final 3k of a sprint stage. They'll also start flirting with Evenepoel again for next season and maybe even try their luck with one of the UAE boys. And just to add icing onto the whole shebang, I doubt we'll hear any sort of self-reflection about 'why' Rog was even alone on the gravel stage when the crash happened.

Bottom line, pro-cycling has a sort of live by the sword, die by the sword unwritten rule that we as fans (or fans of any particular rider) can't influence. It means Bora wanted Rog to win this Giro and they'll be bitterly disappointed when he doesn't. That's the worst part tbh. Unlike individual sports, cycling remains a team sport in which the individual wins. There's a difference. And his team won't be as gracious towards his lack of victory here as his fans are.

Personally speaking if I was in a sort of "let's go back in time and try something different" approach here, I'd like to have seen what could have happened had he signed for Lidl-Trek instead of Bora.
Except the team faulted first. They know, as we all know, Roglic is a crash risk. He survived the first crash, but no one else in his team did. Hindley went home and the rest apart from pellizzare have been out of action since.

Then Roglic without support got done in the gravel, as well as others including Ayuso, then the TT, and finally stage 14 in which the trek GC candidate (that would have been Roglic in your parallel universe) went home.

So, it's disappointing, but it's a shared disappointment I think. And unlike others he is still there.
 
Except the team faulted first. They know, as we all know, Roglic is a crash risk. He survived the first crash, but no one else in his team did. Hindley went home and the rest apart from pellizzare have been out of action since.

Then Roglic without support got done in the gravel, as well as others including Ayuso, then the TT, and finally stage 14 in which the trek GC candidate (that would have been Roglic in your parallel universe) went home.

So, it's disappointing, but it's a shared disappointment I think. And unlike others he is still there.

Which is why I said this:

I doubt we'll hear any sort of self-reflection about 'why' Rog was even alone on the gravel stage when the crash happened.

The team is awful, for real. It's not just the climbers. The rouleurs can't seem to even survive on flat stages either.

I'd be curious to see more about what's going on behind the scenes with Dan Lorang and the other performance people in this team. I mean one rider out of condition can happen but at Red Bull Bora it's like almost everyone. It sort of reminds me of Quick Step tbh, i.e. how bad they became over the past 3 seasons outside of Evenepoel.
 
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The team is awful, for real. It's not just the climbers. The rouleurs can't seem to even survive on flat stages either.

I'd be curious to see more about what's going on behind the scenes with Dan Lorang and the other performance people in this team. I mean one rider out of condition can happen but at Red Bull Bora it's like almost everyone. It sort of reminds me of Quick Step tbh, i.e. how bad they became over the past 3 seasons outside of Evenepoel.
Yeah, it's really insane how bad the team is. UAE still had 7 people after Grappa on the stage to Asiago, where Baroncini, Arrieta and Vine still did some massive pulls towards the end. Only Martinez finally showed up, so maybe he's getting a bit better. Anyway, it's probably too late now.
 
Which is why I said this:



The team is awful, for real. It's not just the climbers. The rouleurs can't seem to even survive on flat stages either.

I'd be curious to see more about what's going on behind the scenes with Dan Lorang and the other performance people in this team. I mean one rider out of condition can happen but at Red Bull Bora it's like almost everyone. It sort of reminds me of Quick Step tbh, i.e. how bad they became over the past 3 seasons outside of Evenepoel.
But aren't they bad because almost all of them hit the deck early on? Martinez has been off all season though.
 
But aren't they bad because almost all of them hit the deck early on? Martinez has been off all season though.

Vlasov is another who's been bad this season.

Would not surprise me at all if Primos fights back - until Sunday it was only bad luck that was keeping him down the GC. Everyone can have one bad day. Unless Del Toro really is Pogi II 4 minutes can be recovered.

The problem is how bad Rog was on Sunday. This wasn't a small crack, a medium size crack or a really bad crack. It was literally the sort of "another km at 5% and he loses another minute" sort of crack.

I've rarely seen him explode like that.
 
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Vlasov is another who's been bad this season.



The problem is how bad Rog was on Sunday. This wasn't a small crack, a medium size crack or a really bad crack. It was literally the sort of "another km at 5% and he loses another minute" sort of crack.

I've rarely seen him explode like that.
Don't get me wrong - the signs are not encouraging. But on form he's much the best rider in the race - unless IDT really is a unicorn.

We're probably judging him by his own high standards. Just a few weeks ago he was easily the best in the Catalunya with most of his Giro rivals well beaten. It's unlikely he's generally declined - more probably it was one bad day.
 
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Don't get me wrong - the signs are not encouraging. But on form he's much the best rider in the race - unless IDT really is a unicorn.

We're probably judging him by his own high standards. Just a few weeks ago he was easily the best in the Catalunya with most of his Giro rivals well beaten. It's unlikely he's generally declined - more probably it was one bad day.

I get that fans like ourselves are prone to overanalysing stuff (that applies to all sports) but there's stuff here that doesn't add up, like Patxi Vila just said in the pre-stage interview on Eurosport that there's nothing medically wrong with Rog, whilst Rog just said he couldn't even ride the bike yesterday:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl01LGynFyE


To quote the guy, we'll see huh.
 
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I get that fans like ourselves are prone to overanalysing stuff (that applies to all sports) but there's stuff here that doesn't add up, like Patxi Vila just said in the pre-stage interview on Eurosport that there's nothing medically wrong with Rog, whilst Rog just said he couldn't even ride the bike yesterday:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl01LGynFyE


To quote the guy, we'll see huh.


We're so back people. Expect fireworks today.
Of course what they don't tell you is that "much better than yesterday" means he's now able to ride a bike, unlike yesterday
What a ride. I've heard in the last few posts that he couldn't ride a bike yesterday. I've heard he's back. I've heard the man himself say my gc is over.

Bring on the stage!