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[how yes no?]

What I dislike as a Roglič fan is him hiding the troubles he has, making me walk on air in my firm belief in him, until I'm suddenly forced to look down and realize the edge of the cliff is quit some way back, making the fall more painful than it need be.
But on the other side of the coin, Roglič is so much more than just a cyclist to cheer for. He's a legit hero in my eyes, a showcase on how to handle adversities, when things get though (not (just) on bike), I not so rarely find myself asking "what would Primož do?"

The hope is dead, long live the hope!

 

[Gargamel35]

What I dislike as a Roglič fan is him hiding the troubles he has, making me walk on air in my firm belief in him, until I'm suddenly forced to look down and realize the edge of the cliff is quit some way back, making the fall more painful than it need be.
But on the other side of the coin, Roglič is so much more than just a cyclist to cheer for. He's a legit hero in my eyes, a showcase on how to handle adversities, when things get though (not on bike), I not so rarely find myself asking "what would Primož do?"

The hope is dead, long live the hope!

Well, they need to hide the problems or others would attack him way earlier. You can be sure they will try to kill him tomorrow if he starts.

 

[theyoungest]

Well, they need to hide the problems or others would attack him way earlier. You can be sure they will try to kill him tomorrow if he starts.

To be honest I think they don't really care about Roglic anymore, he's not going to win the Giro. Yes, tomorrow will be hard, but that's because about 10 riders think they can still win this Giro, and Ineos in particular will do their usual tactic... at least I assume they will, because tomorrow is the first stage where it could actually pay off.

 

[Gargamel35]

To be honest I think they don't really care about Roglic anymore, he's not going to win the Giro. Yes, tomorrow will be hard, but that's because about 10 riders think they can still win this Giro, and Ineos in particular will do their usual tactic... at least I assume they will, because tomorrow is the first stage where it could actually pay off.

If Roglič manages to ride with best tomorrow (BIG if) in the final climb and he jumps, be VERY SURE UAE will be all over him. They care. It's Roglič. If he's out tomorrow and looses minutes, then it's over and he can finally try some stage hunting if health gets better quick.

 

[theyoungest]

If Roglič manages to ride with best tomorrow (BIG if) in the final climb and he jumps, be VERY SURE UAE will be all over him. They care. It's Roglič. If he's out tomorrow and looses minutes, then it's over and he can finally try some stage hunting if health gets better quick.

That's quite a big if... zero chance that's going to happen. The only way he might (and "might" is doing a lot of work here) still win the Giro is from a breakaway.

 

[Gargamel35]

That's quite a big if... zero chance that's going to happen. The only way he might (and "might" is doing a lot of work here) still win the Giro is from a breakaway.

I'm not sure why he would start tomorrow if he doesn't think he could ride with best though.

 

[CyclistAbi]

GOAT!

 

[DoYouEvenRideBruh]

To be honest I think they don't really care about Roglic anymore, he's not going to win the Giro. Yes, tomorrow will be hard, but that's because about 10 riders think they can still win this Giro, and Ineos in particular will do their usual tactic... at least I assume they will, because tomorrow is the first stage where it could actually pay off.

Bold of you to assume that they won't stop it as soon as it starts making sense.

 

[Rackham]

I was hoping he'd continue. I mean this is it really, the big week everyone has been waiting for. The real 'hope' here is that yesterday was a culmination of absolutely everything anti-Rog rolled into one massive poop sandwich served to him on a plate: injuries, recovery, pace of the race & 220k Sunday stage before the final rest day.

It's totally pure hopium at this juncture to look for prior examples but he has been really bad before in GT before pulling things around. Without Sepp Kuss things could have been ugly two years ago on Monte Bondone for example (the bad news is that happened the day after rest day...). He was even dropped hard by Mas in the Vuelta last year but he always manages to limit the losses. Yesterday had no such reprieve.

So, total hopium to expect anything out of this race now and he's more likely to finish gruppetto based on what we saw but yeah, onwards it is.

 

[DoYouEvenRideBruh]

There's no reason really to expect anything other than another implosion, except for maybe the fact that the team wouldn't have him continue if things weren't looking on an upwards trajectory. I don't think he'd switch to stage hunting, at that point he might as well just go home, rest, and focus on his next objectives. But I guess withdrawing today would still leave a lingering doubt, and they might be waiting to pull him out as soon as he gets dropped for good tomorrow.

 

[Links2003]

I believe that he will continue. If he had been so badly injured then the team wouldn't have been so surprised that he had problems yesterday.

The whole team was there for him. You don't just drop out when there's still hope that a good result is possible or maybe a stage win. He has to show respect to his colleagues.

Of course if he is ill or seriously injured he should go out. Otherwise he can still help the team.

 

[Miha81]

I believe that he will continue. If he had been so badly injured then the team wouldn't have been so surprised that he had problems yesterday.

The whole team was there for him. You don't just drop out when there's still hope that a good result is possible or maybe a stage win. He has to show respect to his colleagues.

Of course if he is ill or seriously injured he should go out. Otherwise he can still help the team.

According to Gazzette dello Sport he will continue as long as he will be able to ride. I don't know if it is smart decision but he simply won't give up.

 

[Pippo_San]

He's still in a position to contest a podium. Everything can happen with such a backloaded Giro. And considering the two UAE captains are an unknown quantity over the three weeks...go for it old man Rogla!

 

[zlev11]

 

[zlev11]

Due to the time zone differences Robbie McEwen basically sits there alone at night in Australia providing 'insight' which tbh often seems like just pub talk from a guy who's had one or two beers too many.

In moments like this I just ignore the negative chatter entirely. In a way it's a symbol of just how much Rog matters as a champ. If you get the haters passions stirred, you've clearly done something big with your sports career. Take for example Hindley: Giro champ, big name within the context of cycling at least... and when he abandoned 99% of everyone just shrugged. Rog meanwhile generates a lot of chatter. For better or for worse.

But on the topic of his injuries, if it's his shoulder that was operated on over two years ago that's the problem, I don't want to make predictions about a comeback or next win (because a recurrence of the same injury could be problematic). I'm still sort of hoping he can continue here in this Giro and get better tbh. It would be the best outcome.

nah he's been in the studio for this race, so he has no excuse for being a massive tool

 

[Rackham]

I'm thinking more along the lines of that scene in Terminator 2 when Arnold reboots himself after getting killed by the T-1000 in the metalworks plant and he gets up, minus one arm and limping.

nah he's been in the studio for this race, so he has no excuse for being a massive tool

I do try to find mitigating circumstances when possible. But in reality there's a lot of massive tools covering this sport.

I'm all for an honest and realistic appraisal of Rog's characteristics as a rider and his situation in this race, but I'm seeing a lot of giddy people who're trying to pretend that getting dropped by Damiano Caruso on a cat 2 is Rog's natural level now or that the Vuelta is apparently an easy race. I can't be bothered to argue with people so I just ignore it all tbh.

 

[yaco]

Due to the time zone differences Robbie McEwen basically sits there alone at night in Australia providing 'insight' which tbh often seems like just pub talk from a guy who's had one or two beers too many.

In moments like this I just ignore the negative chatter entirely. In a way it's a symbol of just how much Rog matters as a champ. If you get the haters passions stirred, you've clearly done something big with your sports career. Take for example Hindley: Giro champ, big name within the context of cycling at least... and when he abandoned 99% of everyone just shrugged. Rog meanwhile generates a lot of chatter. For better or for worse.

But on the topic of his injuries, if it's his shoulder that was operated on over two years ago that's the problem, I don't want to make predictions about a comeback or next win (because a recurrence of the same injury could be problematic). I'm still sort of hoping he can continue here in this Giro and get better tbh. It would be the best outcome.

Except in this case, McEwan is in England calling the Giro. And McEwan is one of the most respected commentators in the game. It's embarrassing that you make unfounded claims about McEwen because you believe your hero, Roglic has been slighted by alleged comments.

 

[Rackham]

Except in this case, McEwan is in England calling the Giro. And McEwan is one of the most respected commentators in the game. It's embarrassing that you make unfounded claims about McEwen because you believe your hero, Roglic has been slighted by alleged comments.

Take it easy there. I don't get McEwen's commentary anymore because Max diverted the Rob Hatch side into the UK and on continental Europe we get Carlton Kirby if we want English commentary.

As for "unfounded claims", lol, I mean I'll double down on saying the man probably has too many beers and commentates like he's chatting in a pub because that's exactly what he was like last year and the years before when I did have to listen to him.

Eurosport has a whole "we're mateys eh lads" vibe during the long broadcast hours. McEwen included. Adam Blythe as well.

And no, I don't really respect them and here's the real kicker... I'm not required to either.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Could be an age orientated thing, McEwan being rubbed in the wrong way, some envy towards the younger champion, could be he is a fan of Rogla and this is just coping, as lets admit it, who are we kidding, not always easy, being a Rogla fan.

 

[benzwire]

Expect the worst, hope for the best, eh?

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Roglic tomorrow when everyone tries to attack him...

 

[zlev11]

Roglic tomorrow when everyone tries to attack him...

 

[Red Rick]

Expect nothing, end heartbroken anyway.

Tis truly a Tour preperation

 

[Rackham]

Expect nothing, end heartbroken anyway.

Tis truly a Tour preperation

The mood is dependent on Rog himself. Yesterday was the first time in a long time I've seen him look visibly destroyed. mentally as well, like not just at the end of the stage but when he was getting dropped by his teammates as well. It made for difficult viewing tbh. We're so used to the guy just smiling and being zen master happy whenever something garbage happens to him. So yesterday hit hard.

I mean if Rog gets dropped tomorrow and just shrugs and says "ah well it's not going to happen huh" I guess it'll be better but when he gets upset... it's harder.

 

[yaco]

Take it easy there. I don't get McEwen's commentary anymore because Max diverted the Rob Hatch side into the UK and on continental Europe we get Carlton Kirby if we want English commentary.

As for "unfounded claims", lol, I mean I'll double down on saying the man probably has too many beers and commentates like he's chatting in a pub because that's exactly what he was like last year and the years before when I did have to listen to him.

Eurosport has a whole "we're mateys eh lads" vibe during the long broadcast hours. McEwen included. Adam Blythe as well.

And no, I don't really respect them and here's the real kicker... I'm not required to either.

McEwen would not have a job if he was sinking the beers before his commentary and TNT must rate him if they fly him over from Australia to cover the Giro and the TDF from London.

Lets see if you can find the actual comments where McEwan allegedly insulted Roglic, because when I listened to the TNT commentary, I can't remember any commentary that suggested this happened.

I am happy to discuss riders/teams/tactics etc and of course sometimes I'll have a different opinion.